We Could Talk About The Weather

[n2ize]

The days are getting shorter now... :whistle:

Thank God.

[PA5COR]

Time for some deep freeze again? ;)

[KG4CGC]

Not me. I consider 70 degrees too hot. As soon as temperatures reach the 70's the air conditioning comes on here. I prefer the freezing cold and the ice to hot weather anytime. Last couple days it's been in the 90's with high humidity. But I've managed to keep the temp down to about 68-69 inside. God bless air conditioning. 110-120 degrees ? To me that is an oven and not meant for human habitation.

A couple of years ago you said you loved extreme hot weather.

[n2ize]

A couple of years ago you said you loved extreme hot weather.

I used to. But I don;t anymore. I used to love extremes. Very hot and very cold. When I was in my 20's and early 30's I never used air conditioning and I used to think "the hotter the better". Then a couple of years ago I started really disliking the heat. I thought it was because I put on weight and the added sweating , etc had something to do with it. But over the winter I lost a lot of weight, I don;t sweat like I used to I can tolerate heat much better again yet I still can't stand it. I much prefer cold, freezing and even snowy weather. It might be in my blood. My ancestors came from very cold climates and I have Bourbaki blood in my veins. Even my last name has something to do with cold, or so I have been told by several people.

[kb2vxa]

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[n2ize]

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In this weather you could bake those by just putting them outside.

[K7SGJ]

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In this weather you could bake those by just putting them outside.

I tried that outside my house, but they burned.

[NA4BH]

507 posts talking about the weather and not a one of you have done anything about it.

[n2ize]

507 posts talking about the weather and not a one of you have done anything about it.

It's uncanny. I was just about to say the same exact thing. We can all talk about the weather but who will do something about it. It's like you read my mind.

[N2NH]

507 posts talking about the weather and not a one of you have done anything about it.

Not so quick. I opened an umbrella the other day.

[N2NH]

A couple of years ago you said you loved extreme hot weather.

Ya noticed that, eh?
He also said he doesn't believe in God and that he went to Catholic church too.

Master of the bait.

[K7SGJ]

507 posts talking about the weather and not a one of you have done anything about it.

Oh yes we have. The AGW thread is thataway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[KG4CGC]

You can reschedule rain any time you want.

[K7SGJ]

You can reschedule rain any time you want.


That's true. I've had to reschedule it every day for the last 5 or 6 months. Looks like I'll have to reschedule it again today. But, it's a dry rain..................

[n2ize]

Ya noticed that, eh?
He also said he doesn't believe in God and that he went to Catholic church too.

Master of the bait.

Apparently you don't bother to read very well. I gave an explanation above. Yes, indeed up until a short time ago I USED TO like hot weather. Do you understand what "used to" means. In fact I liked extremes, very hot and very cold. But I have changed. I no longer like hot weather. These days I much prefer cold weather and, over the next 9-10 years I plan to move to a much colder climate. Comprende ? Or do you just ignore what people say so you can start gossip about other members which is what you apparently thrive on and the reason yopu are here.

Likewise I never said I "don't believe in God". I am not an atheist. I am uncertain about God. I think you might call that "agnostic" or something like that. Yes I did go to Catholic Church. I also went to Catholic School...I was even trained to be an Altar Boy. As a CHILD. I was enrolled in a Catholic school by my parents when I was 5 years old. I had no choice in the matter. The decision was not up to me, it was made for me. Likewise, the nuns in Catholic School forced me to attend mass. I had no choice in the matter as I was a child.

Oh and I recently attended a Catholic Mass. It was the first Catholic Mass I attended in decades. I attended it out of respect. The occaision was a funeral mass for a close relative.

Do you do believe everything you did and believed as a child ? Have you ever changed the way you think or feel about certain things as you got older ? Have any of your likes or dislikes ever changes throughout your life ? Have your preferences for things changed over time ? Or are you exactly the same as you were when you were a little child ? Do you still do everything your parents and teachers told you to do as a child ?

Besides, I thought you put me on ignore two days ago. And before that I thought you had me on ignore weeks before. Yet you still seem to respond to everything I say on this forum. So there must be something about me that you find irresistible and that you simply cannot ignore.

[K7SGJ]

Apparently you don't bother to read very well. I gave an explanation above. Yes, indeed up until a short time ago I USED TO like hot weather. Do you understand what "used to" means. In fact I liked extremes, very hot and very cold. But I have changed. I no longer like hot weather. These days I much prefer cold weather and, over the next 9-10 years I plan to move to a much colder climate. Comprende ? Or do you just ignore what people say so you can start gossip about other members which is what you apparently thrive on and the reason yopu are here.

Likewise I never said I "don't believe in God". I am not an atheist. I am uncertain about God. I think you might call that "agnostic" or something like that. Yes I did go to Catholic Church. I also went to Catholic School...I was even trained to be an Altar Boy. As a CHILD. I was enrolled in a Catholic school by my parents when I was 5 years old. I had no choice in the matter. The decision was not up to me, it was made for me. Likewise, the nuns in Catholic School forced me to attend mass. I had no choice in the matter as I was a child.

Oh and I recently attended a Catholic Mass. It was the first Catholic Mass I attended in decades. I attended it out of respect. The occaision was a funeral mass for a close relative.

Do you do believe everything you did and believed as a child ? Have you ever changed the way you think or feel about certain things as you got older ? Have any of your likes or dislikes ever changes throughout your life ? Have your preferences for things changed over time ? Or are you exactly the same as you were when you were a little child ? Do you still do everything your parents and teachers told you to do as a child ?

Besides, I thought you put me on ignore two days ago. And before that I thought you had me on ignore weeks before. Yet you still seem to respond to everything I say on this forum. So there must be something about me that you find irresistible and that you simply cannot ignore.

Maybe he finds you DREAMY?

[n2ize]

Maybe he finds you DREAMY?

:lol:

[N2NH]

Besides, I thought you put me on ignore two days ago. And before that I thought you had me on ignore weeks before. Yet you still seem to respond to everything I say on this forum. So there must be something about me that you find irresistible and that you simply cannot ignore.

Saw it in the quote. Ignore doesn't hide those, as it didn't this bon mot of yours. I find intransigence compelling, but there's a limit to everything.

But do go on about how irresistible you are. That is the biggest laugh I've had today.

[KG4CGC]

Parts of Georgia are at 600% yearly totals while parts north of it are at 400% yearly totals. We here have certainly surpassed our yearly totals but it is going to be more of the same for the next week to 10 days, at least.

[Bubba]

It’s frickin hot. I mean really hot. 105 today.

AND, the frickin bs power, bs company, if you can call it that, here, decided to go out, AGN !!!

No AC, no anything but killer toads , snakes, typhoons, earthquakes, heat, humidity, terrible food. Oh here I go again. Just shut me the f up.

[K9CCH]

This says it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThN3dKLTxlU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThN3dKLTxlU

[KG4CGC]

And that's why you shouldn't eat processed foods.

[N8GAV]

Storm bounced in here around 5:45 last night, power went out then and they got it back up about 3 am. just got my phone, cable, and internet back a1/2 hour ago. Wild night ..................

[Bubba]

This says it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThN3dKLTxlU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThN3dKLTxlU

Maybe she should call obama and get some AC. I’m sure it was promised in the campaign somewhere.

[KG4CGC]

Maybe she should call obama and get some AC. I’m sure it was promised in the campaign somewhere.

You should make a donation to the Island on my behalf.

[Bubba]

You should make a donation to the Island on my behalf.

Ok, sounds great !!

Now why ?




If I donate enough, can I get a forum named after me, that would be cool. Like the Bubba Rumpus, or the Bubba winkle wood forum, or Bubba Tube, lol..

[KG4CGC]

Ok, sounds great !!

Now why ?



Could someone explain it to him. Take Bubba for walk while we do so.

[Bubba]

Could someone explain it to him. Take Bubba for walk while we do so.

Please, educate me. Will I be needing some of this ?

[WØTKX]

Bears repeating, QSL? :shifty: :lol:

http://youtu.be/acI12jO0HSQ


http://youtu.be/acI12jO0HSQ

[N2NH]

70oF (21oC) with nearly 100% humidity. It's cool enough for it not to matter. Very wet here lately but very little flooding compared to other locales.

[Bubba]

Could someone explain it to him. Take Bubba for walk while we do so.


WTF am I missing again. Always speaking in code.

[K7SGJ]

WTF am I missing again. Always speaking in code.

-.-- ..- .--.

[Bubba]

Fuck me. Someone is going to get winkle slapped. And trust me, it hurts !!

[kb2vxa]

Hello

I wouldn't fuck you with a taco.

[NA4BH]

Hello

I wouldn't fuck you with a taco.

A pink APU? Maybe?????

[NA4BH]

-.-- ..- .--.


You mean -.-- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- .--. !!!!!!


I'd put his picture here, but he'd probably sue me.

[Bubba]

Hello

I wouldn't fuck you with a taco.

I hope you are not talking to me...

[n2ize]

-.-- ..- .--.

The radio controlled boats ?

[K7SGJ]

You mean -.-- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- .--. !!!!!!


I'd put his picture here, but he'd probably sue me.

Aw hell, he'd never notice. He's too busy trying to outbid Barry on some POS room. However, Hester lost his lawsuit about the show being rigged, and being canned, and Barry is quitting, too. I always liked Barry, he must have money to burn.

[KG4CGC]

All this rain weighed down the branches of a black walnut tree in the front side yard. It broke the ground cable and voltages were all over the place. 90 to 150 VAC! Called the EC and had them fix it. Boy! There sure got out here in a hurry!

[K7SGJ]

All this rain weighed down the branches of a black walnut tree in the front side yard. It broke the ground cable and voltages were all over the place. 90 to 150 VAC! Called the EC and had them fix it. Boy! There sure got out here in a hurry!

Can you spell liability? Glad you're okay and no damage to anything, other than the tree.

[kb2vxa]

That shows you what a HUGE load imbalance you have, the neutral return current must be equally huge. What happened here was with the metallic neutral broken all the return current was passing through the ground between your earthing stake or cold water lateral and the earthing stake below the pole transformer. Did you notice a lot of worms on your lawn or did the birds get them?

Naturally they got out there in a hurry, if anyone got between the neutral lines or protective grounds also connected to the grounded neutral bus in the service entrance panel in your house and anything grounded to the Earth separately such as your ham shack ground it would have been a shocking experience, 30 volts worth. Then there are appliances to consider, such overvoltage can burn out motors, lamps, heating elements or anything rated for 115V nominal. Such undervoltage causes induction motors to draw more current, again leading to overheating and burnout.

When power companies reduce voltage in a brownout to protect their equipment they never exceed 6% which translates to 108V minimum you're on the bottom end of 115V nominal +/- 6% which is the safe operating range. When the voltage drops to 90 lights go dim, refrigerators and air conditioners fail to operate properly and motors fry. There is one good thing here believe it or not, 230V appliances don't use the neutral so any you have still were operating at 230V.

[KG4CGC]

I don't know.
The ground was running overhead and a limb broke it. It's that unshielded gray steel cable. Is that what you're talking about in your first paragraph? The building is grounded along 48 different points into the Earth.

[kb2vxa]

Now I'm not so sure we're on the same page, an "unshielded gray steel cable" can be anything from a catenary support cable to a guy cable, the neutral conductor is part of the electrical service drop line. Older installations are open wire, that is parallel single conductors, modern ones are insulated conductors wrapped around an uninsulated usually steel or aluminium clad steel support cable that doubles as the grounded neutral conductor. Three types of drop cable are pictured, in descending order they are 115V single phase (no longer used by power companies), 230V single phase and 3 phase 208V wye or 230V grounded delta.

Frankly I've never seen a ground running overhead all by itself. What I have seen happen however is for whatever reason the service drop is strained beyond capacity and the support cable/grounded neutral being shortest snaps leaving the hot conductors intact but no metallic connection between the transformer and the neutral bus in the entrance panel (load center). A 48 point grounding system sounds like if you look along the roof line you'll see lightning rods.

[KG4CGC]

We would be #2 in your illustration.

[KG4CGC]

It has rained so much that while I was getting out of the truck today at the store, I noticed that it looked like it was just washed.

[kb2vxa]

OK, es claro. Now I understand that what happened was basically what I said, the stringer/neutral snapped. Hmmm, nature's car wash, but where I used to live in Union County the air was so thick it could have been raining mud. Snow was worse, the day after it was noticeably dark and in a few days it was covered in black soot. No need for cigarettes, everybody was a smoker. (UGH)

Now that we're back to weather, today was the hottest day of the year peaking out at 95 with 60% humiditity which sent the index well above the century mark, just how well I don't know. And it's usually cooler at the shore? Cooler than WHAT? This was the first day of a long heat wave, it's gonna be roastin' all week at least and those popcorn thunderstorms only make it muggier (double UGH).

[N2NH]

New York City will probably be worse.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30xesf6.png

[KG4CGC]

OK, es claro. Now I understand that what happened was basically what I said, the stringer/neutral snapped. Hmmm, nature's car wash, but where I used to live in Union County the air was so thick it could have been raining mud. Snow was worse, the day after it was noticeably dark and in a few days it was covered in black soot. No need for cigarettes, everybody was a smoker. (UGH)

Now that we're back to weather, today was the hottest day of the year peaking out at 95 with 60% humiditity which sent the index well above the century mark, just how well I don't know. And it's usually cooler at the shore? Cooler than WHAT? This was the first day of a long heat wave, it's gonna be roastin' all week at least and those popcorn thunderstorms only make it muggier (double UGH).

You were in Union?
You have my deepest sympathies.

[NQ6U]

WX here is perfect, as usual. Yawn. It gets kind of monotonous some times.

10049

[N2NH]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/5162337472_1c8ceef915_o.jpg

That is a great avatar.

[kb2vxa]

Somebody beat you to it.

[K7SGJ]

Somebody beat you to it.


Seems like someone is always beating me these days.

[N2NH]

Seems like someone is always beating me these days.

Better not to go off on it.

[N2NH]

Sucks to be in Cheesequake, NJ (courtesy of Accuweather.com).

http://i40.tinypic.com/29pav6g.png

Real Feel is 108oF (42oC) at this QTH right now.

[kb2vxa]

California has earthquakes, New Jersey has Cheesequake. It comes from the Lenape name Chesehohke because they couldn't pronounce Karaoke, and since White settlers couldn't pronounce either they called it Cheesequake. Actually it's part of Matawan but they hang onto the shaking cheese just so out-of-towners can ask WHHHAAAaaa? Since I live a short distance south it's just as hot here and since the south wind has returned it feels like a sauna. For you rail fans, today we had the classic heat related catenary sag around Amtrak Metropark Station so trains slowed to a crawl between Rahway and New Brunswick. The backup caused delays on the NJT North Jersey Coast Line, as of 6:00pm everybody back on schedule.

New York, the only state where Catskill Mountains.

[NQ6U]

Cheesequake, NJ

English: Land that has been Cleared
Lenape: Chiskhakink (http://www.talk-lenape.org/detail.php?id=12337#)

[WØTKX]

Quahog! Now, everybody Shipoopi!

http://youtu.be/9Jj622vbrrU



http://youtu.be/9Jj622vbrrU

[kb2vxa]

Rahway, one who was born there can tell you there must be a Rightway or at least a Betterway! On the other hand (there are 5 fingers) if you find a pleasant point at the Beach let me know, it's hot on the sand and the ocean is... is... OH NO!!!

On edit: remember yesterday I mentioned sagging catenary on the NEC delayed trains? More delays today, this time heat playing hob with track geometry so trains are going slow to avoid derailing. Know what? Railroads these days are unfriendly, if they had more rail fans THIS wouldn't happen!
Oh you know it was hot today.
How hot was it?
Hot enough that in Queens, NY overhead wires caught fire!

[G1TWS]

The temperature has been peaking at 88 degrees the last two days. I have been at a cricket match the last two days. Only myself and another fellow have stuck it out on the top deck of the stand from 11.00 am to 6.00 pm. I refer to all the others who have hid downstairs under cover as the fairies.

Two more days to go. I said to the other fellow, think of this as training to get into something like Delta Force.

[PA5COR]

Humid 85 F today, from sunday 88+ F nice summer weather ;)

[kb2vxa]

Lucky you, it hit 98F/36C today and the humididity makes it feel like 117F/42C or in other words, in a bag in a microwave oven... ugh. Sunday is expected to bring cooler Canadian air and more like UK/Netherlands weather.

[N2NH]

Lucky you, it hit 98F/36C today and the humididity makes it feel like 117F/42C or in other words, in a bag in a microwave oven... ugh. Sunday is expected to bring cooler Canadian air and more like UK/Netherlands weather.

@ 8PM we have 89oF/32oC a couple of towns away in the Hudson Valley but the heat index is a whopping 125oF/52oC.

Wouldn't mind some of that Canadian air, but Montreal is sometimes even hotter.

[VE7DCW]

Lucky you, it hit 98F/36C today and the humididity makes it feel like 117F/42C or in other words, in a bag in a microwave oven... ugh. Sunday is expected to bring cooler Canadian air and more like UK/Netherlands weather.

Canadian air?? ....... from where? Certainly not from my part of the country......we've been in the high 20's low 30's degrees Celsius for most of this month of July! We're needing cooler U.S. air! :mrgreen:

[W7XF]

Canadian air?? ....... from where? Certainly not from my part of the country......we've been in the high 20's low 30's degrees Celsius for most of this month of July! We're needing cooler U.S. air! :mrgreen:

Gerry, I'll GLADLY send you some Arizona air !!!

[PA5COR]

100.000's Germans will invade the country for their annual holliday going to the North Sea coast, the same number of Dutch will set off to France in their cars/campers.
Temps will go up to 32 to 36 C this week humidity is quite high so i have no idea how high the "feeling" temps will be...

Keeping the house cool till now airing at night forcing colder air in by fans helps a bit.
Doing the jobs that need to be done in the cooler morning, then sit back and "enjoy" the heat.

Going from 6 months too cold to a full hot summer needs some adjusting, in our tempered sea climate these temps don't happen often.

[NQ6U]

100.000's Germans will invade the country for their annual holliday

What is this thing the Germans have about invading the Netherlands...?

[KC2UGV]

Lake Erie has hit a record for water temperatures. 78 deg F. Figures since 1867.

[PA5COR]

Holliday and spending their euro's here, or bringing back the stolen bikes from WW2 ;)


What is this thing the Germans have about invading the Netherlands...?

[kb2vxa]

Well, maybe not Canadian air but Canada is beginning to get a break as the Arctic front moves through. As of this writing (10:00am Alaska time) Fairbanks is a cool 60F/15C but by the time it gets here Sunday it'll be in the 80s, about 15 degrees cooler than today. Now this guy sits about 8 miles north of here but what the hell is he complaining about sitting in his swimming pool? Check it out, looks like he caught a crab, almost.

[N2NH]

100.000's Germans will invade the country for their annual holliday going to the North Sea coast, the same number of Dutch will set off to France in their cars/campers.

Just as long as they don't bring their tanks with them...


Temps will go up to 32 to 36 C this week humidity is quite high so i have no idea how high the "feeling" temps will be...


Try this site. They give the real feel (or Temperature-Humidity Index) with the Temperature in oC/oF. (http://www.wunderground.com/)

[PA5COR]

^Thanks ;)

[kb2vxa]

Just bringing you up to speed, yesterday a CSX garbage train derailed on the Metro North Hudson Line and service remains suspended today. Possibly rail heat kinks? I doubt the public will know since the reporters hardly know which end is up. Con Edison, NYC's electric company reported the highest demand EVER today and again today power went out in Queens due to overhead lines catching fire, melting and falling. WIRES MELTING??? I've never in my life heard of overhead wires melting but considering the amps and the inability to dissipate heat normally in these high ambient temperatures "because anything can happen in New York". That's an old Channel 7 Action News tag line. Did I say it's 97 here on the shoreline? Add 3 and you have the temperature at Newark, NJ but subtract 2 being the airport is a heat island consistently 2 degrees hotter than Central Park in the heart of Manhattan with those heat absorbing concrete canyons.

[N2NH]

Just bringing you up to speed, yesterday a CSX garbage train derailed on the Metro North Hudson Line and service remains suspended today. Possibly rail heat kinks? I doubt the public will know since the reporters hardly know which end is up. Con Edison, NYC's electric company reported the highest demand EVER today and again today power went out in Queens due to overhead lines catching fire, melting and falling. WIRES MELTING??? I've never in my life heard of overhead wires melting but considering the amps and the inability to dissipate heat normally in these high ambient temperatures "because anything can happen in New York". That's an old Channel 7 Action News tag line. Did I say it's 97 here on the shoreline? Add 3 and you have the temperature at Newark, NJ but subtract 2 being the airport is a heat island consistently 2 degrees hotter than Central Park in the heart of Manhattan with those heat absorbing concrete canyons.

Thanks. I have been avoiding the news and am the happier for it. So, we are cut off from NYC and I'm thinking that's a good thing. Must be one heck of a smell to it. If it's in a very trendy/upscale area they must be raising a big stink.

As far as overhead wires (catenary), melting? Unlikely. Sagging more likely and they can snag at times, probably to deferred loco maintenance, but I'm no expert on that.

[n2ize]

Just bringing you up to speed, yesterday a CSX garbage train derailed on the Metro North Hudson Line and service remains suspended today. Possibly rail heat kinks? I doubt the public will know since the reporters hardly know which end is up. Con Edison, NYC's electric company reported the highest demand EVER today and again today power went out in Queens due to overhead lines catching fire, melting and falling. WIRES MELTING??? I've never in my life heard of overhead wires melting but considering the amps and the inability to dissipate heat normally in these high ambient temperatures "because anything can happen in New York". That's an old Channel 7 Action News tag line. Did I say it's 97 here on the shoreline? Add 3 and you have the temperature at Newark, NJ but subtract 2 being the airport is a heat island consistently 2 degrees hotter than Central Park in the heart of Manhattan with those heat absorbing concrete canyons.

They can melt once they short and start arcing. Pole tops will also burn once the wood carbonizes and forms a conductive path. The hot arc is what causes the aluminum to melt and even vapourize. Copper will also do the same but most overhead wires today are aluminum.

My computer widget is showing me a temp of only 88 at JFK right now and 92 in White Plains, although the predicted temps are up near 99-101. The widget updates every 5 minutes so it should be accurate, assuming the thermometer sending the data is accurate.

In Point Barrow Alaska it's warm as well right now. 43 degrees and rainy. Damned hot northern summers !!

[kb2vxa]

"So, we are cut off from NYC and I'm thinking that's a good thing."
Not entirely, only the trains. Yeah, if the bridges fall and the city loses it's anchors and floats out to sea nobody in Jersey will miss it.

"Must be one heck of a smell to it."
That was mentioned on the news by one of the workers.

"If it's in a very trendy/upscale area they must be raising a big stink."
I don't know if this is trendy or not but I can guarantee that in this heat garbage AND people get pretty stinking.

"As far as overhead wires (catenary), melting?"
No, I never said catenary was melting, a GG-1 draws 4.95MW for example and it never melted. I said it was sagging in the heat as it always does, trains slowed to avoid pantograph from snagging the overheads and ripping them down.

"They can melt once they short and start arcing. Pole tops will also burn once the wood carbonizes and forms a conductive path."
I've seen plenty of both but neither happened in Queens, the wires got so hot the insulation caught fire and the additional heat parted the wires. The 115-230V single phase secondaries are often twisted trios so they arced and burned through, the 2400/4800V 600A three phase primaries are insulated single conductors, the exact reason why they burned through I don't know. I just saw video of them lying in the street smoking with firefighters and Con Ed linemen milling around, a familiar sight when there's work to do. (;->)

Some years ago I saw something similar on the PRR main line through Linden, NJ now Amtrak North East Corridor. A paint and solvent warehouse next to the tracks caught fire and the towering flames laden with soot crossed the transmission lines and 300KV phase to phase arcs burned them through, copper since the line was electrified in 1937. As they parted they drew the longest arcs I've ever seen and fell among the firemen on the tracks, traffic was halted due to the fire. The amazing thing is they were dead when they hit the ground, not a spark was seen and the firemen plainly showed why they're called the bravest, they went along like nothing happened, nobody even flinched.

"My computer widget is showing me a temp of only 88 at JFK right now and 92 in White Plains..."
Accurate enough to match the map readings on the 5:00 news more or less depending on which service the station employs. Not surprisingly JFK is lower, Jamaica, Queens gets the ocean breeze, White Plains does not.

Your computer WHAT?

[N2NH]

"So, we are cut off from NYC and I'm thinking that's a good thing."
Not entirely, only the trains. Yeah, if the bridges fall and the city loses it's anchors and floats out to sea nobody in Jersey will miss it.

That's cut off to me. Crossing the busiest bridge in the US on a bus is to be avoided at all costs. That is followed by the madness at 8th Ave and 42nd St. I sometimes feel sorry for the Jersey commuters. At least those who don't act like cattle.


"As far as overhead wires (catenary), melting?"

No, I never said catenary was melting, a GG-1 draws 4.95MW for example and it never melted. I said it was sagging in the heat as it always does, trains slowed to avoid pantograph from snagging the overheads and ripping them down.

Oh, I know you didn't say it, but local news has a knack for embellishing if it sounds better.


Your computer WHAT?

You don't wanna know, believe me. :yes: :mrgreen:

[kb2vxa]

"Crossing the busiest bridge in the US on a bus is to be avoided at all costs."
But why would you come to Joisey and cross the G Dub? Maybe you're thinking of the Crap 'n Pee which is most likely of all to fall down being all rotten underneath.

"Oh, I know you didn't say it, but local news has a knack for embellishing if it sounds better."
Interesting cop out, you confused Conned Ed with Amcrash. (;->)

Your computer WHAT?
"You don't wanna know, believe me."

Oh I know alright, your computer Gidget, Midget, Fidget, Bidget, Gadget but certainly not Widget... an' ya doesn't has ta call me Johnson.

[n2ize]

"So, we are cut off from NYC and I'm thinking that's a good thing."
Not entirely, only the trains. Yeah, if the bridges fall and the city loses it's anchors and floats out to sea nobody in Jersey will miss it.

"Must be one heck of a smell to it."
That was mentioned on the news by one of the workers.

"If it's in a very trendy/upscale area they must be raising a big stink."
I don't know if this is trendy or not but I can guarantee that in this heat garbage AND people get pretty stinking.

"As far as overhead wires (catenary), melting?"
No, I never said catenary was melting, a GG-1 draws 4.95MW for example and it never melted. I said it was sagging in the heat as it always does, trains slowed to avoid pantograph from snagging the overheads and ripping them down.

"They can melt once they short and start arcing. Pole tops will also burn once the wood carbonizes and forms a conductive path."
I've seen plenty of both but neither happened in Queens, the wires got so hot the insulation caught fire and the additional heat parted the wires. The 115-230V single phase secondaries are often twisted trios so they arced and burned through, the 2400/4800V 600A three phase primaries are insulated single conductors, the exact reason why they burned through I don't know. I just saw video of them lying in the street smoking with firefighters and Con Ed linemen milling around, a familiar sight when there's work to do. (;->)

Some years ago I saw something similar on the PRR main line through Linden, NJ now Amtrak North East Corridor. A paint and solvent warehouse next to the tracks caught fire and the towering flames laden with soot crossed the transmission lines and 300KV phase to phase arcs burned them through, copper since the line was electrified in 1937. As they parted they drew the longest arcs I've ever seen and fell among the firemen on the tracks, traffic was halted due to the fire. The amazing thing is they were dead when they hit the ground, not a spark was seen and the firemen plainly showed why they're called the bravest, they went along like nothing happened, nobody even flinched.



Probably the circuit breaker killed the circuit. When a primary shorts out, such as when a tree branch falls across it (or other scenario) the circuit breaker will trip and after a number of seconds will try to reset. If it still see's a short it will cut off and then try and reset again. Depending on how its set up it will do this two, three times, maybe 4 times and then if it still see's a short it will stay down until manually reset. This is what I was told by a line man who does overhead work for Con Ed.

[VE7DCW]

Just as long as they don't bring their tanks with them...

"Remember........ whatever you say .......don't mention the WAR!!" *


*John Cleese as Basil Fawlty on "Fawlty Towers" :rofl:

[n2ize]

That AC catenary system on the New Haven line had been a headache for decades. It's always giving problems resulting in delays, temporary shutdowns, etc. They should switch over to a DC third rail system like they use on the Harlem and Hudson lines. The trains are already equipped to run on a 700 VDC third rail power system since have to switch over to using a third rail anyway when they join the Harlem line near Mount Vernon.

[N2NH]

"Remember........ whatever you say .......don't mention the WAR!!" *


*John Cleese as Basil Fawlty on "Fawlty Towers" :rofl:

I always thought that little weasel corporal would've been a sticking point. :snicker:


http://youtu.be/NqJQ8RD7-Nw

[kb2vxa]

Last things first, the old NH can't switch to DC anything and still remain part of the NEC. It runs 25KV 60Hz as opposed to the 11KV 25Hz old Pennsy main but that's not a problem, newer locomotives employ inverters that eat just what you feed them, they don't care how it tastes. My best guess with the third rail is it feeds power control at the inverter output, basically runs the traction motors directly. DC traction is a very inefficient way to go even when running off catenary power. You get best efficiency and control using a variable voltage, variable current, variable frequency AC system like most other electric and Diesel-electric locomotives.

Eh, right, sort of, those railroad transmission lines don't have circuit breakers, they have fault sensors that operate huge switches. Here's one opening, VERY impressive! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-UTYzfNjKM Actually they don't usually arc like that, the arc quencher failed to operate. (;->) Remember the Pennsy installed the equipment in 1937 so it's old technology, today they use oil filled breakers that look like big tanks with ears. When it comes to city power, 13KV feeders use sensors and switches on the transformer primaries, the 4800V 600A secondaries use fuses not only at the substation but everything connected to them, branch feeders and transformers, the familiar pole pigs use fuses as part of a manual switch called a cutout. The neat part is how they operate. The fuse holder, often called the "fuse tube" or "door", which contains the interchangeable fuse element and also acts as a simple knife switch. When the contained fuse operates or blows, the fuse holder will drop open, disengaging the knife switch, and hang from a hinge assembly. This hanging fuse holder provides a visible indication that the fuse has operated and assurance that the down-stream circuit is electrically isolated.

About the weather, as of this writing 0100 GMT an electric train is rolling across north-central Jersey, NYC and LI. The caboose is just about at the Avenel / Carteret area and about to roll into Staten Island. It looks like South Jersey and Philadelphia are getting bombed...

[K7SGJ]

Last things first, the old NH can't switch to DC anything and still remain part of the NEC. It runs 25KV 60Hz as opposed to the 11KV 25Hz old Pennsy main but that's not a problem, newer locomotives employ inverters that eat just what you feed them, they don't care how it tastes. My best guess with the third rail is it feeds power control at the inverter output, basically runs the traction motors directly. DC traction is a very inefficient way to go even when running off catenary power. You get best efficiency and control using a variable voltage, variable current, variable frequency AC system like most other electric and Diesel-electric locomotives.

Eh, right, sort of, those railroad transmission lines don't have circuit breakers, they have fault sensors that operate huge switches. Here's one opening, VERY impressive! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-UTYzfNjKM Actually they don't usually arc like that, the arc quencher failed to operate. (;->) Remember the Pennsy installed the equipment in 1937 so it's old technology, today they use oil filled breakers that look like big tanks with ears. When it comes to city power, 13KV feeders use sensors and switches on the transformer primaries, the 4800V 600A secondaries use fuses not only at the substation but everything connected to them, branch feeders and transformers, the familiar pole pigs use fuses as part of a manual switch called a cutout. The neat part is how they operate. The fuse holder, often called the "fuse tube" or "door", which contains the interchangeable fuse element and also acts as a simple knife switch. When the contained fuse operates or blows, the fuse holder will drop open, disengaging the knife switch, and hang from a hinge assembly. This hanging fuse holder provides a visible indication that the fuse has operated and assurance that the down-stream circuit is electrically isolated.

About the weather, as of this writing 0100 GMT an electric train is rolling across north-central Jersey, NYC and LI. The caboose is just about at the Avenel / Carteret area and about to roll into Staten Island. It looks like South Jersey and Philadelphia are getting bombed...

That switch arc was very impressive. Speaking of which

Did you know Ben Franklin wasn't the first to discover electricity?

Noah told his wife he needed to build a big boat to save the animals from an upcoming flood. Problem was he didn't know what it should look like. Since his wife was an artist, of sorts, he asked her to help him out, and paint a picture of what it should look like; which she did. An so, Noah's wife was the first one to ever draw an arc.

[W7XF]

How about this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIkNY5xjy5k

[K7SGJ]

It's a hell of a day in the desert, folks. Lightning all over the place, 30 degree drop in temperature in sort order, raining sideways (1.23 inches so far in about 30 minutes), water is running like crazy across the property. The normally dry wash out front is running swift, between 3 and 4 ft deep, so I'm guessing the bigger ones down the road a ways are even more impressive, and impassable as well. We haven't had one of these for awhile. As fast and deep as the water is, it'll be back to normal in a few hours, unless it keeps on raining. It'd be nice to get all this rain a little slower so it would do the desert some good, instead of it all running off to Yuma.

[kb2vxa]

"Did you know Ben Franklin wasn't the first to discover electricity?"
Yeah, I know and it was an ancient Greek who discovered the electric field, static electricity. That's where electron, electricity, electric, etc. come from, Electra was the daughter of King Agamemnon and Queen Clytemnestra, and thus princess of Argos. Eh, that was a really lame ark/arc joke... but I liked it.

Oh yeah, that 500KV switch arc is impressive, another fault actually as the suppressor circuit on that phase failed to operate. That's not a load disconnect, that was done downstream on the transformer secondary. What you see is Ix, energizing or excitation current drawn by hysteresis in the transformer primary. I remember seeing arcs like that on TV long ago every time General Electric Theater hosted by Ronald Reagan (CBS) came on the air. Unfortunately I couldn't find what I was looking for but here's the next best thing. The intro starts with a huge device with two long counter rotating arms with balls on the ends and huge arcs between them. Then the camera zooms in and the panel appears as you see it, cut to commercial.

Ah, typical desert rainstorm, that's why you have to watch out way beforehand for flash flooding. Yeah, it would be nice to slow down but it'll never happen, the desert is a land of extremes.
"...instead of it all running off to Yuma."
And it happened at exactly 3:10.

[N2NH]

81oF (27oC) right now in the city, 67oF (19oC) here. By Friday, we're going down to 54oF (12oC). Not bad for July. There are places in the mountains of North-Central Mass that used to reach 15o - 20oF (-9o to -7o C) at night in July. I wonder if that still happens there?

Elektricity? Wasn't that given to the Persians by aliens? You know, the so-called Baghdad Batteries? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery)

Sorta reminds me of a hot summers night in the city...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s8l-yu7AZLM/SgA6M6BUHTI/AAAAAAAAHA0/W9D7rPG5ugI/s400/da_22.jpg

[PA5COR]

I thought the Bagdad batttery was the first discovery,,,,,

30 C extremely moist had some serious T storms in the South of the country 7 million Euro damage done.
Nothing here up North in the country missed me all.
Official heatwave here since today, temps might get a bit lower, but with more moist in the air it won't really improve...

[kb2vxa]

Electricity may have fried the Behemoth but it ignited Godzilla's atomic fire and made things worse. Now which monster is responsible for attacking the weakest link in the Northeast Power Grid? Smart beastie he is, every time a key link, the Niagara Feeder to the city always fails. Back in 1965 the phrase was "Where were you when the lights went out?" and someone even wrote a song about it. I was home in Jersey (engineers had sense enough to cut the Linden Feeder to Staten island to stop the dominoes) doing some AM and FM broadcast band DXing with the FM stations off the air and no modulation and no splatter from the AM transmitters in the Meadowlands. Couldn't TVDX since I didn't have a BMF antenna and rotor then, rats. In any case the old land line pre cell phone network stayed up, if all else fails there's still the 48V Baghdad battery bank.

I did mention that ancient Greece is the origin of the word "electricity" but right, the oldest evidence of an electric device is the Baghdad battery. It makes one wonder what a source of electricity would have been used for, there is no record of any kind for any other devices. That ancient Egyptian carving is another wonder, when I first saw it years ago I immediately recognized one of the many forms of a Crookes tube. They require a few thousand volts to operate, what was the power source and what did they use the tube for? That's when I studied everything related to early electrical and electronic equipment and never lost interest, still I lap it up like honey.

Lastly, Franklin did NOT stand out in the rain drawing electricity from the clouds, he had an assistant do it. Do you think a genius could be that stupid? Really?

[NQ6U]

In fact, the actual function of the so-called Baghdad Battery is not known for certain. While it's possible that it was a primitive sort of galvanic cell, there are some reasons to believe otherwise. In any case, even if it were a battery, given the electrolytic chemicals available at the time the best that output that could have been expected from one would have been perhaps one-half to one volt, so it would have taken a whole hell of a lot of them to develop enough potential to power a Crookes Tube. That doesn't matter, of course, since the technology to build such a device was non-existent during the Parthian period.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2804257.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

ON EDIT: BTW, that thing shown in the photograph is not a Crookes Tube. It looks like a pretty standard neon tube with a fancy-shaped electrode to me.

[N2NH]

Electricity may have fried the Behemoth but it ignited Godzilla's atomic fire and made things worse. Now which monster is responsible for attacking the weakest link in the Northeast Power Grid? Smart beastie he is, every time a key link, the Niagara Feeder to the city always fails. Back in 1965 the phrase was "Where were you when the lights went out?" and someone even wrote a song about it. I was home in Jersey (engineers had sense enough to cut the Linden Feeder to Staten island to stop the dominoes) doing some AM and FM broadcast band DXing with the FM stations off the air and no modulation and no splatter from the AM transmitters in the Meadowlands. Couldn't TVDX since I didn't have a BMF antenna and rotor then, rats. In any case the old land line pre cell phone network stayed up, if all else fails there's still the 48V Baghdad battery bank.

I was on the air and running the transmitter link to the city at WPAT (AM/FM) on the night of the 77 blackout. It was a hoot. We had two transmitters in the city, both went down. Oddly enough, it was one of a few stations with a THIRD backup FM Transmitter. That one was built by Armstrong himself. It hadn't been used in decades, but with the help of the CE and a lot of DPPG, I got it to run 3 watts. About as much as the average CB radio. With the bands totally quiet, I was told you could hear it all over the city and that meant the sponsors couldn't complain.

I'm glad I'm not in the city this Aug. 14th. Ten years ago for my 50th birthday, the great northeast blackout happened on that day. I can't imagine what's in store for my 60th, but I sure don't want to be around there for it.
:yes: :lol:

[n2ize]

Last things first, the old NH can't switch to DC anything and still remain part of the NEC.

But they do. The same NH trains that run on the AC Catenary also operate off the DC third rail when they join the old New York Central Harlem line as Mount Vernon West. It's all 3rd rail DC the rest of the way. Unless it has to do with Amtrack requiring the AC Cat system as they do run along the NH line, I think... However doesn't Amtrack also run along the Hudson Line which is also a DC 3rd rail system ?

Outside of the NYC subway system my knowledge of railroad routes is limited. My interest in trains is limited to subways.

[n2ize]

I was on the air and running the transmitter link to the city at WPAT (AM/FM) on the night of the 77 blackout. It was a hoot. We had two transmitters in the city, both went down. Oddly enough, it was one of a few stations with a THIRD backup FM Transmitter. That one was built by Armstrong himself. It hadn't been used in decades, but with the help of the CE and a lot of DPPG, I got it to run 3 watts. About as much as the average CB radio. With the bands totally quiet, I was told you could hear it all over the city and that meant the sponsors couldn't complain.

WPAT didn't have a backup generator to keep the station up ? Most NYC stations were up during the 65 and 77 blackouts on backup. Where was the transmitter site ? With no generators what did you use to power up the Armstrong built transmitter ?



I'm glad I'm not in the city this Aug. 14th. Ten years ago for my 50th birthday, the great northeast blackout happened on that day. I can't imagine what's in store for my 60th, but I sure don't want to be around there for it.
:yes: :lol:

Godzilla might come. Remember what he did to Tokyo back in the 50's.

[kb2vxa]

"That doesn't matter, of course, since the technology to build such a device was non-existent during the Parthian period."
Well, the Persians built batteries but not "Crookes tubes" even though Eric Von Dannyskin seems to believe in the Dendra light. Interesting how I couldn't put one over on you, take a closer look and you'll see a snake coming out of a lotus blossom in ancient Egyptian mythology.

"Oddly enough, it was one of a few stations with a THIRD backup FM Transmitter. That one was built by Armstrong himself. It hadn't been used in decades, but with the help of the CE and a lot of DPPG, I got it to run 3 watts."
More oddly you managed to find that museum piece and get it to run. That reminds me of Spock making a mnemonic memory out of stone knives and bear skins. What puzzles me is how Armstrong could have had anything to do with WPAT when his experimental station in Alpine was W2XMN which evolved into WQXR. It's easy to get lost on the 82nd floor of Empire, the JDL did and blew up WPIX TV 11 instead of WBAI.

"With no generators what did you use to power up the Armstrong built transmitter ?"
Babylonian batteries?

"But they do."
Hold on there! I said: Last things first, the old NH can't switch to DC anything and still remain part of the NEC. The old NH is a railroad, I said nothing about trains.
"The same NH trains that run on the AC Catenary also operate off the DC third rail when they join the old New York Central Harlem line as Mount Vernon West. It's all 3rd rail DC the rest of the way."
I believe I said something about 3rd rail powering the system after the inverter and before the DC power control. The rest of the way is into Grand Central Station since exhaust fumes are prohibited in NYC railway stations and tunnels.
"However doesn't Amtrack also run along the Hudson Line which is also a DC 3rd rail system ?"
Amtrak has dual power locomotives that run the Harlem Line too, the Hudson Line follows the river upstate and is Diesel. That's the line through Spuyten Duyvil where the garbage train derailed during the last heat wave.

"Godzilla might come. Remember what he did to Tokyo back in the 50's."
1956 to be precise. You forgot how he became asexual and a whole lot meaner and attacked New York in 1998. That came as quite a surprise to the LGBT community, "If Zilla can reproduce all by himself why can't we?"

[n2ize]

"But they do."
Hold on there! I said: Last things first, the old NH can't switch to DC anything and still remain part of the NEC. The old NH is a railroad, I said nothing about trains.

And what is the specific reason for that ?



"The same NH trains that run on the AC Catenary also operate off the DC third rail when they join the old New York Central Harlem line as Mount Vernon West. It's all 3rd rail DC the rest of the way."
I believe I said something about 3rd rail powering the system after the inverter and before the DC power control.

OK so you are saying the inverter converts it back to high voltage AC ?



The rest of the way is into Grand Central Station since exhaust fumes are prohibited in NYC railway stations and tunnels.


Tell that to Metro North. I've seen them running on diesel in the tunnels. And on more than one occaision our electric trains filled with smoke and fumes from deisels running in the tunnels. Apparently Metro-North bends the rules from time to time.

"However doesn't Amtrack also run along the Hudson Line which is also a DC 3rd rail system ?"[/quote]




Amtrak has dual power locomotives that run the Harlem Line too,



I don't recall ever seeing them on the Harlem. But like I said I don;t know much about railroad routes.



the Hudson Line follows the river upstate and is Diesel. That's the line through Spuyten Duyvil where the garbage train derailed during the last heat wave.


The Hudson is electrified through the Bronx and Westchester. They run electric commuter trains. Does it switch to deisel further north ?

[n2ize]

"That doesn't matter, of course, since the technology to build such a device was non-existent during the Parthian period."
Well, the Persians built batteries but not "Crookes tubes"

The problem, with the Persian/Bagdhad cell is that it has no external cathode connection. My guess is that it wasn't a cell at all.

[n2ize]

I was on the air and running the transmitter link to the city at WPAT (AM/FM) on the night of the 77 blackout. It was a hoot. We had two transmitters in the city, both went down. Oddly enough, it was one of a few stations with a THIRD backup FM Transmitter. That one was built by Armstrong himself. It hadn't been used in decades, but with the help of the CE and a lot of DPPG, I got it to run 3 watts. About as much as the average CB radio. With the bands totally quiet, I was told you could hear it all over the city and that meant the sponsors couldn't complain.

I'm glad I'm not in the city this Aug. 14th. Ten years ago for my 50th birthday, the great northeast blackout happened on that day. I can't imagine what's in store for my 60th, but I sure don't want to be around there for it.
:yes: :lol:

Years ago I was running an AM Broadcast station when a tanker truck explosion knocked out power to the 50 Kw station and several other large AM stations. I grabbed an old Johnson Ranger and modified it to transmit on the AM band. I got it powered up to about 1/2 a watt and used it to get the station back on the air. I used a bunch of 12 V car batteries in series to power the thing up.

[N2NH]

WPAT didn't have a backup generator to keep the station up ? Most NYC stations were up during the 65 and 77 blackouts on backup. Where was the transmitter site ? With no generators what did you use to power up the Armstrong built transmitter ?

The only other station I heard on the air during the 77 blackout was WINS on the AM band. I could only get WPLJ on FM. I was picking up Albany on AM though and an FM station from Briarcliff Manor in Westchester (WTFM ?), all during the day. Had to run across Manhattan (West St to Bowery) to my ex-girlfriends apartment in Chinatown then up 22 stories in the dark only to find out she didn't have any water. Down and up 22 again lugging 2 gallons of water this time.

[NQ6U]

The problem, with the Persian/Bagdhad cell is that it has no external cathode connection. My guess is that it wasn't a cell at all.

Your guess and that of just about every serious archeologist. Since the copper and iron were both completely covered by the asphalt sealant, it seems very unlikely that the thing was used as a battery. The most likely scenario is that they were used to store important documents and that the acidic residue found in the jars was probably decomposed papyrus.

[n2ize]

The only other station I heard on the air during the 77 blackout was WINS on the AM band. I could only get WPLJ on FM. I was picking up Albany on AM though and an FM station from Briarcliff Manor in Westchester (WTFM ?), all during the day. Had to run across Manhattan (West St to Bowery) to my ex-girlfriends apartment in Chinatown then up 22 stories in the dark only to find out she didn't have any water. Down and up 22 again lugging 2 gallons of water this time.

On AM WCBS was up during the blackout. So was WNEW, WOR, WMCA, WEVD, WABC and most of the major AM players. I can't speak for the FM stations because I didn;t listen to any FM that night All the major AM transmitter sites have automatic backup generators. Even in the 65 blackout they were equipped with backup gens. When I was working at the WNEW transmitter site (which is now underwater in the Jersey swamps) we used to test the generator regularly. We would literally throw the main breakers to black out the station and within a few seconds you'd hear the generators starter crank and the generator start up and a few seconds later the lights, transmitter, etc. would come back up.

Yeah water was a problem. Even in buildings with water towers. When the tank is low the pumps don't operate and refill the tank.

[n2ize]

Your guess and that of just about every serious archeologist. Since the copper and iron were both completely covered by the asphalt sealant, it seems very unlikely that the thing was used as a battery. The most likely scenario is that they were used to store important documents and that the acidic residue found in the jars was probably decomposed papyrus.

That seems more likely. That and the fact that they had virtually no use for an electrochemical cell in those days.

[K7SGJ]

That seems more likely. That and the fact that they had virtually no use for an electrochemical cell in those days.

Not even to start their cars, or run their washer machines? Or what about their CB radios?

[N2NH]

Ahem.


Though most archaeologists agree the devices were batteries, there is much conjecture as to how they could have been discovered, and what they were used for.

How could ancient Persian science have grasped the principles of electricity and arrived at this knowledge?

Perhaps they did not. Many inventions are conceived before the underlying principles are properly understood.

The Chinese invented gunpowder long before the principles of combustion were deduced, and the rediscovery of old herbal medicines is now a common occurrence.

You do not always have to understand why something works - just that it does.

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2804257.stm)

[n2ize]

Ahem



So what are the Baghdad Batteries?

They are simply clay vessels that housed copper cylinders. Such cylinders are known to have held papyrus scrolls.The majority of Archaeologists agree with this interpretation. I’m going to invoke Occam’s Razor and go with the the archaeology here, that supports the vessels as being scroll jars

Link Below

http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

[NQ6U]

Ahem again:


Elizabeth Stone, Stony Brook University archaeologist and professor of archaeology, talked about her dig in Iraq, the first in 20 years. During the interview on NPR’s Science Friday she received a question from a caller asking about the battery. She replied that she didn’t know a single archaeologist who believed the Battery was a battery. Dr. Stone is considered an authority on Iraq archaeology, and if anyone knew anything about the Batteries, she would. Her null answer, speaks volumes on the topic.

http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

[N2NH]

Two links from wordpress?

No offense but I'll stick with the BBC thank you very much.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hdnn8x.gif

[NQ6U]

The wordpress link, as you called it, referred to a statement made on NPR. Perhaps you should have read it?

[N2NH]

I saw that before you posted it. So she says. I can tell you with complete certainty that when it was discovered that the planets orbited the sun rather than the earth, every scientist could be quoted as saying Galileo was wrong. Same with the idea of plate tectonics when it was discovered by Alfred Wegener in the early 20th Century. In fact until the 1960s with the discovery of the mid-Atlantic rift, Plate Tectonics was debunked by scientists.

Pretty much where we are now. A bit from the Mythbusters episode on the Baghdad Battery. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2005_season)#Baghdad_Battery)

[NQ6U]

I saw that Mythbusters episode when it first aired. The problem with it was that they didn't build the battery in the same way as the original, in which all the metal elements were entirely covered by ashphalt which, if the things actually were batteries, would have made it impossible to connect a load to them

[N2NH]

BTW, a beautiful summers day yesterday and today. Humidity is relatively delightful and the temps are in the low to mid 80s. Let's see if the Yankees win some games now.

[WØTKX]

The really hot days are almost over with. Still gets pretty hot in the city, but mid 80's now, instead of upper 90's.

Highs in Evergreen CO are under the 80 degree mark, with lows in the 50's or cooler. Ahhhhh, that's better!

[WX7P]

BTW, a beautiful summers day yesterday and today. Humidity is relatively delightful and the temps are in the low to mid 80s. Let's see if the Yankees win some games now.

I'm not sure about that Soriano addition. How many DH/1B can a team have?

[NQ6U]

The hottest part of the year in California has yet to come. It's usually in late September or early October.

http://www.usa.com/lemon-grove-ca-weather.htm

[N2NH]

I'm not sure about that Soriano addition. How many DH/1B can a team have?

I've always felt they should've never traded Soriano. We'll see if he's better at 37 than he was when he was younger.

How many DH/1B can a team have? It's the Yankees. They can have as many as they can buy. At least that's how it's worked since I can remember.

[n2ize]

I saw that before you posted it. So she says. I can tell you with complete certainty that when it was discovered that the planets orbited the sun rather than the earth, every scientist could be quoted as saying Galileo was wrong.

Actually many scientists agreed with Galileo. So much so that the model of our solar system was changed, It was the church at the time who conhdemned Galileo and declared he was wrong,,



Same with the idea of plate tectonics when it was discovered by Alfred Wegener in the early 20th Century. In fact until the 1960s with the discovery of the mid-Atlantic rift, Plate Tectonics was debunked by scientists.


And when evidence was found to support Wegener;s hypothesis things changed. There was reasoable evidence to support his ideas.



Pretty much where we are now. A bit from the Mythbusters episode on the Baghdad Battery. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2005_season)#Baghdad_Battery)

Unlike Galileo or Wegener decades of research has not convinced anyone that the "Bahgdad Cell" was indeed a cell. In fact it's very design indicates that it most likely was not a cell.

Don't get me wrong. I think it would be cool if they could confirm that it was actually an electrochemical cell. The mystery of why, fpor what purpose, would be interesting. However, the present evidence doesn't seem to support the electrochemical cell idea.

[NQ6U]

^^^What he said^^^ :werd:

[VE7DCW]

The hottest part of the year in California has yet to come. It's usually in late September or early October.

http://www.usa.com/lemon-grove-ca-weather.htm

The climatologists are claiming that this part of Vancouver Island will have a California like climate within 30 years! ...... the way the weather's been going this summer and what it's been like the last few years it seems like California already!

(I've been in Anaheim California to Disneyland in October 1994 and remember it being 105 degrees F for a few days) :-P

[kb2vxa]

Summer isn't over until the fat lady sings and that happens mid to late October.

Baghdad battery?
(Galileo) Galileo.
(Galileo) Galileo,
Galileo Figaro
Magnifico.

Global warming, climate change:
The ice age is coming, the sun's of an end
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error but I have no fear
Cos London is drowning and I live by the river

Now get this
London calling, yes I was there too
An' you know what they said - well some of it was true!
London calling at the top of the dial
An' after all this, won't you give me a smile?
London calling...

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the wind blows.

[n2ize]

Summer isn't over until the fat lady sings and that happens mid to late October.

Baghdad battery?
(Galileo) Galileo.
(Galileo) Galileo,
Galileo Figaro
Magnifico.

Global warming, climate change:
The ice age is coming, the sun's of an end
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error but I have no fear
Cos London is drowning and I live by the river

Now get this
London calling, yes I was there too
An' you know what they said - well some of it was true!
London calling at the top of the dial
An' after all this, won't you give me a smile?
London calling...

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the wind blows.

Everything is bullshit. Knowledge is bullshit.

[kb2vxa]

And everything you know is wrong.

[N2NH]

Actually many scientists agreed with Galileo. So much so that the model of our solar system was changed, It was the church at the time who conhdemned Galileo and declared he was wrong


The results of experiments such as these shocked the sensibilities of contemporary scholars. Galileo's experimental methods were entirely foreign to scientists of his day and were regarded by most of his colleagues as undesirable if not dangerous innovations. Accordingly, the results derived in this fashion were also suspect.

From: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF GALILEO: Carl J. Wenning, Coordinator, Physics Teacher Education Program, Illinois State University - Link Here. (http://www.phy.ilstu.edu/~wenning/galileo/galileo.html)

The church actually sponsored Gallileo. An interesting thing to do if you disagree with someone. In fact, many of the advances made then to his invention the telescope, were done by priests and long outlived the model he invented. The real reason for restricting Gallileo's movements was his penchant for publishing his work and for the uproar that followed by those who couldn't grasp the change he discovered.


Early in Galileo's Battle for the Heavens we are warned that what we were about to see was another example of the "recurring clash between religion and science". Developing this premise was helped by ignoring Kepler and his relations with the Church. Although the Church never provided Kepler with ongoing research grants as they had Galileo [_1_] , they did provide something more important; access to resources and moral support. When Galileo ignored an early request from Kepler to borrow a telescope, it was the Archbishop of Cologne who leant him one. The last of Kepler's books to be published, Somnium, contained a gushing thank you to the Jesuit mathematician, Paul Guldin, an enduring advocate and friend of Kepler. The appendix also mentioned his joy over the gift of a telescope hand-made by the master Jesuit telescope-maker, Niccolo Zucchi. Between these early and later events there were many other events, including the Jesuits chasing down a manuscript stolen from Kepler and ensuring its return, and the Jesuits acting as a surrogate postal service for Kepler.

Second Paragraph: Galileo and his Contemporaries -Link Here (http://www.scientus.org/Galileo-Contemporaries.html)


And when evidence was found to support Wegener;s hypothesis things changed. There was reasoable evidence to support his ideas.

Wegener was not ridiculed for his theories. He was ridiculed for not being a Geologist. Nobody was trying to prove his theories in the 1960s. They merely had technology catch up to the need to find the Mid-Atlantic Rift. They finally invented the deep-sea submersible, in this case the Alvin, and could find it for themselves.


Wegener also shares much in common with Galileo. Wegener probably had at least as strong a case for Continental Drift in 1929 as Galileo had for the Copernican model in 1633. The reason many do not realize this is that the controversy is usually presented as a controversy between Galileo and the Church and not Galileo and other scientists (see Galileo's Battle for the Heavens). As a result most discussions of the early Copernican Model do not even mention any problems associated with the Copernican model. But it was a scientific controversy and it had many of the same elements of the Continental Drift controversy.

Interestingly, Darwin despite having the same limitations on his theory, had no such resistance, as seen from this passage.


The main problem with Wegener's hypothesis of Continental Drift was the lack of a mechanism. He did not have an explanation for how the continents moved. Some argue that this failing justified the early reactions to his work and to its dismissal. But Charles Darwin was missing a mechanism for the inheritance of beneficial traits when he published the Origin of Species in 1859. Darwin had amassed a huge amount of evidence that supported some type of adaptive process that contributed to the evolution of new species, much like Wegener had for Continental Drift. He argued that with the natural variations that occur in populations, any trait that is beneficial would make that individual more likely to survive and pass on the trait to the next generation. If enough of these selections occured on different beneficial traits you could end up with completely new species. One major flaw in Darwin's theory was that he did not have a mechanism for how the traits could be preserved over the succeeding generations. At the time, the prevailing theory of inheritance was that the traits of the parents were blended in the offspring. But this would mean that any beneficial trait would be diluted out of the population within a few generations. This is because most of the blending over the next generations would be with individuals that did not have the trait.

In spite of the lack of a mechanism for the preservation of traits, Darwin's theory quickly came to dominate. Within 5 years, Oxford University was using a biology textbook that discussed biology in the context of evolution by natural selection.

From Wegener and Continental Drift, LINK HERE (http://www.scientus.org/Wegener-Continental-Drift.html)


Unlike

JUST LIKE


Galileo or Wegener decades of research has not convinced anyone that the "Bahgdad Cell" was indeed a cell.

So close, but alas, so completely and entirely wrong.

Ahem.


And everything you know is wrong.

Yes Quicks Draw ju are right.


^^^What he said^^^ :werd:

Would you like a lifeline?

[WX7P]

Summer isn't over until the fat lady sings and that happens mid to late October.

Baghdad battery?
(Galileo) Galileo.
(Galileo) Galileo,
Galileo Figaro
Magnifico.

Global warming, climate change:
The ice age is coming, the sun's of an end
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error but I have no fear
Cos London is drowning and I live by the river

Now get this
London calling, yes I was there too
An' you know what they said - well some of it was true!
London calling at the top of the dial
An' after all this, won't you give me a smile?
London calling...

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the wind blows.

Freddy, Joe, and Doris Day?

[WX7P]

And everything you know is wrong.

Only if you're "Weird"

Everything right is wrong again IF you are a Giant.

[NQ6U]

Galileo is one of my heroes but he did not invent the telescope. It may have been one Hans Lippershey, a German-Dutch spectacle maker, based on the fact the he was the first to apply for a patent for one, but no one is entirely sure; the most likely scenario is that, much like with the airplane, it was a number of people building on each other's work. Galileo made some improvements on it but his real claim to telescopic fame was that he was one of the first to turn the device to the sky, write down what he saw and then publish it. For this, he's often called the first real scientist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI1keSSwdcI

[K7SGJ]

Galileo is one of my heroes but he did not invent the telescope. It may have been one Hans Lippershey, a German-Dutch spectacle maker, based on the fact the he was the first to apply for a patent for one, but no one is entirely sure; the most likely scenario is that, much like with the airplane, it was a number of people building on each other's work. Galileo made some improvements on it but his real claim to telescopic fame was that he was one of the first to turn the device to the sky, write down what he saw and then publish it. For this, he's often called the first real scientist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI1keSSwdcI

If he was a REAL scientist, does that mean he knew Morse code?

[NQ6U]

If he was a REAL scientist, does that mean he knew Morse code?

Hell, he knew Samuel F.B. Morse himself. They used to hang together in Pisa, drinking Mickey's behind the campanile before it started to lean.

[N2NH]

Galileo is one of my heroes but he did not invent the telescope. It may have been one Hans Lippershey, a German-Dutch spectacle maker, based on the fact the he was the first to apply for a patent for one, but no one is entirely sure; the most likely scenario is that, much like with the airplane, it was a number of people building on each other's work. Galileo made some improvements on it but his real claim to telescopic fame was that he was one of the first to turn the device to the sky, write down what he saw and then publish it. For this, he's often called the first real scientist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI1keSSwdcI

Well, if it's used horizontally as in looking in the distance, to me it's not a telescope but a spotting scope. Yes others built tubes with lenses at a fixed distance, but none of them looked up.

That to me is what makes it a telescope.

[KG4CGC]

It actually slowed down on the rain and stopped for a couple of days. Road crews are out all over the place moving dirt back into place and packing it down. So many trees fell over that all you could do was cut them up and wait for the rain to stop before hauling off the wood and filling the holes in. Sections of roads were getting wiped out around buried cement pipes that were overwhelmed by saturated soil conditions. There are a lot of places where normal rain isn't an issue but due to daily flash flooding were pushed to their limit.
It rained so much on the Blue Ridge Parkway that roads were literally splitting apart from where the soil was escaping and there was nothing to support the asphalt.

[N2NH]

It actually slowed down on the rain and stopped for a couple of days. Road crews are out all over the place moving dirt back into place and packing it down. So many trees fell over that all you could do was cut them up and wait for the rain to stop before hauling off the wood and filling the holes in. Sections of roads were getting wiped out around buried cement pipes that were overwhelmed by saturated soil conditions. There are a lot of places where normal rain isn't an issue but due to daily flash flooding were pushed to their limit.
It rained so much on the Blue Ridge Parkway that roads were literally splitting apart from where the soil was escaping and there was nothing to support the asphalt.

Hope that it all gets fixed and that things start clearing up. We had a day of rain Sunday, but thankfully not much else for nearly three weeks. We could use some time to dry out here too. The lower tier and this area was just told by Guv. Cuomo that they're getting screwed out of flood aid. It is now being sent to the Capitol district area around Albany, NY instead.

[Bubba]

Hope that it all gets fixed and that things start clearing up. We had a day of rain Sunday, but thankfully not much else for nearly three weeks. We could use some time to dry out here too. The lower tier and this area was just told by Guv. Cuomo that they're getting screwed out of flood aid. It is now being sent to the Capitol district area around Albany, NY instead.


What is there to do in rural NY ?

[N2NH]

What is there to do in rural NY ?

Watch the deer, snakes, possum, woodchucks, buzzards, eagles and the occasional bear. Ham bands (VHF/UHF) are decently active and there is a lot of Railroad activity. Heck, I can hear the Metro North trains blowing their horns from Beacon to Poughkeepsie just with my ears it's so quiet. The elevation is pretty good so I have line of sight to many repeaters although if you have a cell you might want to turn it off. There's no signal here.

[K7SGJ]

Watch the deer, snakes, possum, woodchucks, buzzards, eagles and the occasional bear. Ham bands (VHF/UHF) are decently active and there is a lot of Railroad activity. Heck, I can hear the Metro North trains blowing their horns from Beacon to Poughkeepsie just with my ears it's so quiet. The elevation is pretty good so I have line of sight to many repeaters although if you have a cell you might want to turn it off. There's no signal here.

A veritable paradise.

[PA5COR]

104 F today much moist in the air.
Warning from Estoflex for us:

A 18Z forecast sounding from the W-Netherlands show more than 2500 J/kg MLCAPE, strongly veered profiles, 25 m/s shear already in the lowest 3 km and a rich helical environment. In case initiation along the coast verifies, expect any storm to reveal explosive development into a mature supercell. Large to very large hail (hail diameter in excess of 5 cm), severe wind gusts and very heavy rainfall amounts likley accompany that activity. Combination of SRH-1 above 200 m^2/s^2 and LCLs around 1 km along the coasts also indicate an enhanced tornado risk in case this activity will be surface-based. CI has to be monitored closely and an upgrade may be needed if confidence in CI has increased.

[NQ6U]

Once again, the weather here is perfect:

10262

You know—as usual.

[W7XF]

104 F today much moist in the air.
Warning from Estoflex for us:

A 18Z forecast sounding from the W-Netherlands show more than 2500 J/kg MLCAPE, strongly veered profiles, 25 m/s shear already in the lowest 3 km and a rich helical environment. In case initiation along the coast verifies, expect any storm to reveal explosive development into a mature supercell. Large to very large hail (hail diameter in excess of 5 cm), severe wind gusts and very heavy rainfall amounts likley accompany that activity. Combination of SRH-1 above 200 m^2/s^2 and LCLs around 1 km along the coasts also indicate an enhanced tornado risk in case this activity will be surface-based. CI has to be monitored closely and an upgrade may be needed if confidence in CI has increased.

Hmmm... a Severe Thunderstorm Warning and a Tornado Watch..... Cor, do y'all have weather whackers like we have here in the US??

[PA5COR]

Not the way as seen on Discovery with you guy's.
We get our share of tornado's and waterspouts in Europe, but mostly just a few people from weatherfora will go out in normal cars to followw the thunderstorm to film or photograph it.

Everybody here knows to stay the h*ll out of the way of a tornado....
Had a serious thunderstorm last week after the last heatwave 2 in a row 12 hours difference, unplugged the antenna's and grounded the inverted L.
Had quite a lightshow here and some serious thunder in the sky.
Several people wounded, 3 horses dead, houses on fire, flooding of villages and city's, the usual stuff.
Cold water from the Atlantic ocean and warm weather don't mix well here in summer.....
A killer of a thunderstorm went just past our country on the Northsea, clouds were 16 km high ( 10 miles) ...could see the lightning 60 miles away.
Now some new thunderstorms develop in France and are on their way North to us.
Time to umplug the antenna's before i go to bed in an hour or 2...



Hmmm... a Severe Thunderstorm Warning and a Tornado Watch..... Cor, do y'all have weather whackers like we have here in the US??

[N2NH]

Not the way as seen on Discovery with you guy's.
We get our share of tornado's and waterspouts in Europe, but mostly just a few people from weatherfora will go out in normal cars to followw the thunderstorm to film or photograph it.

Everybody here knows to stay the h*ll out of the way of a tornado....
Had a serious thunderstorm last week after the last heatwave 2 in a row 12 hours difference, unplugged the antenna's and grounded the inverted L.
Had quite a lightshow here and some serious thunder in the sky.
Several people wounded, 3 horses dead, houses on fire, flooding of villages and city's, the usual stuff.
Cold water from the Atlantic ocean and warm weather don't mix well here in summer.....
A killer of a thunderstorm went just past our country on the Northsea, clouds were 16 km high ( 10 miles) ...could see the lightning 60 miles away.
Now some new thunderstorms develop in France and are on their way North to us.
Time to umplug the antenna's before i go to bed in an hour or 2...

Stay cool Cor. I've hiked in weather like that. You have to know how to hydrate and you have to know when to stop.

We're about as perfect as you can get right now. We were in the clouds this morning until 11, then it cleared up. Low humitdity, about 10oF below the norm (6oC lower). We're forecast to have a low of 52oF Monday. (11oC)

[Bubba]

The sun is so hot that I can’t come out of my mancave without a mud hoodie...

[PA5COR]

Luckily the thunderstorms took the path to Germany and split up to the sea, just had some rain in the night, just hooked up the antenna's again.
Temp took a nosedive from 100F + to 70 in one hour time yesterday at 17.00 wind changed from South to North West over the sea, cooling things down quick.

Tempered sea climate my *ss.... since july started we had nothing else as heatwaves or close to that, we're above the hot days we normally have in a year and August just started...
Change in the Jetstream over the years here also changed the normal pattern of nort/south western winds from sea, nor=w in winter we get nort/north eastern winds feeding us with cold Siberian temps, and in summer the same feeding the weather with hot air from France or even the Sahara.

We went to colder winters, more snow, and hotter summers as we used too have.
Problem is that in summer moist keeps playing a role, so 100+ F is very hot and stifling.
Luckily to thunderstorms didn't materialise, sun shining now and just a lowly 20C at 09.00 in the morning.

[KG4CGC]

Compared to last year, it's been cooler this Summer than last year. It's also been wetter than anything your dirty little mind could imagine. Last year was dryer than your dirty little mind could imagine with record highs. This year, while hot, cloud cover has kept the heat knocked down a few degrees. Last year I remember riding in the evening around 5:30 pm and it felt like was riding through an oven. This time, it's all about the soup.

[Bubba]

Guam sunset today, during rainy season...

[N2NH]

Beautiful pics Bubba. Guam looks great.

The weather in NYC so far has been similar to what Charles describes. Everytime I watch the news, I can barely see more than a couple of miles on the cam behind the reporters. Sometimes the haze and murk limit things to less than 1/2 a mile.

Here, rainy until a month ago, then mostly dry, cool and sunny. The typical afternoon gets partly cloudy as thermals form the cloud cover over the Catskills and they blow over the Hudson Valley until sunset when things clear up again. Today is a typical example of what happens when it does rain. Rain goes to the north and south, but usually misses us in the middle.

[kb2vxa]

Guam looks great alright but what's that thing that looks like cloth hanging on the tower? Anyway, if you can see a mile in New York it's an exceptionally clear day. When I lived up north in the highest part of Union my kitchen window faced east so every morning if it wasn't raining I would greet the sunrise over Newark and Manhattan. That is at least an hour or so after the sun rose above the horizon, it still had a couple thousand feet to go before rising above the nearly impenetrable soup. The morning flight into Newark from San Juan would come in on a normal glide slope, then as it approached the airport would bounce a few times as the pilot adjusted for a steeper angle, finally it punched a hole and disappeared into the Stygian darkness under a brightly lit sky. If the lower level of the atmosphere above the city were any thicker the planes would crash on impact.

Now that I live about 40 miles to the south on the shoreline I have a different perspective, a little less dramatic but a considerably wider view. Standing on the beach looking to my right (south) I can see mile after mile after mile of clear blue sky and ahead to the east out to sea there are all these little dots, pleasure craft and on the horizon the longer dashes that barely move, large ships going to and from the Port of New York and surrounds. Looking to my left is another story altogether, the shoreline disappears into what looks like someone having taken a piece of charcoal and smeared the horizon for miles out to sea. Ships coming and going have reinforced bows like ice breakers to penetrate the barrier. Occasionally I hear a bang and the scream of tortured metal when a captain doesn't adjust the angle of approach and scrapes sideways like the Titanic did the iceberg.

"Rain goes to the north and south, but usually misses us in the middle."
And for good reason, storms are deflected by the dome too so some bounce north, some bounce south, and some bigger ones split down the middle. You still live close enough for them to miss you, they hit hard and deflect at a wide angle. When it rains in New York it's always accompanied by lightning punching holes allowing the rain to come through. You know that storms in the area have more than their share of lightning and that's why. Now you know, when you live under the dome all you can see is up but from my perspective outside and at a distance I can see them hammering their way in, some even use a chisel.

I'm sure you've heard them say it never rains in southern California. Same thing, bigger dome. Los Angeles County is in a bowl surrounded by hills so the soup collects in it and being thicker than normal air prevents storms from entering the bowl. They slide in off the Pacific, deflect up the hills and keep right on sliding over the valley like a bowl of fruit salad sealed with Saran Wrap. That's why they call it La La Land, FRUIT SALAD you dope!

Then there is Da Bowl, channel 6 where NOTHING penetrates...........

Parts of this story are true, the rest has been changed to protect the innocent. (Cue Dragnet theme.)

[KG4CGC]

Rain let up this evening. It wasn't a hard rain but since the ground was already super saturated ...

[Bubba]

Lol,, That cloth hanging on the tower is a Guam flag. There was no wind and dark, so I can see that it would look strange.. Usually its straight out because of the wind.

[KG4CGC]

Finally had a dry (ish) streak. No rain for 12 days straight and the lawn finally dried out enough to mow. Now I need to take down all the other plants around the yard that went rogue. Normally I'd be able to prune or shear them but this time I need a chainsaw.

[WX7P]

We'll take the rain. It's been too dry here and our lawn was dying until last night.

It rained fairly hard, but we are still being in the rain department.

The farmers are complaining about the lack of rain.

[N2NH]

Leaves began falling a couple of weeks ago, a far cry from last year when it began over 2 months later. About 10% of the trees are crimson from a few hard frosts we've already had. Low was about 34°F a few days ago (2°C). Definitely already looking like Fall here.

[PA5COR]

Europe and Russia had a cold winter, and colder and wetter spring as normal, end of May someone pulled a switch and summer arrived with a vengeance, hot record breaking and very dry, that lasted till the first week in Septemnr when we got some needed rain, still 8 inches short here for the normal yearly rain we get..
Sunny start this morning, cold 7C at night 18 C in the daytime.
No heating on here, still 21 C in the house because it is very well isolated.
It has become a sport to see how long i can get without putting the gasfires on here, won't happen yet, have some added alternative heating like kerosene lamps and kerosene stove for cooking special meatdishes, they add a bunch of heat and kerosene doesn't smell, just needs some ventilation.
But ventilation is standard here just will have to pick up some kerosene this week, 40 liters ( 11 gallons) will do for the hard winter.
We don't have to fear for electricity loss because all cables are underground, no breaking there.
Natural gas heating never let us down, so no problems there as well, and even if, the kerosene stove and lamps could heat up the living room enough to keep it warm just in case ( and make a nice stew too ) ;)

We'll just have to see what the winter brings if it will be another cold one like the last 5 ones or not.
Checked the car out and readied it for the winter period, shops are 400 yards away so no problem there.
Let it rip ;)

[KG4CGC]

This September has felt like most of the Summer, sans rain.

[n2ize]

Last year the trees here didn't start to change colour till late December and it wasn't till well into January that they were down from the trees. Even the 150+ mph winds and tornadoes from Sandy couldn't budge the leaves. This year the trees are losing their leaves fast. I suspect we'll be seeing our first snowstorm very soon.

[PA5COR]

The june, july and august hot temps and drought let the leaves turn brown and yellow in the first days of September, 2 months earlier.
Can't say a thing about winter, all the big shots expect a colder as normal winter in europe, but that long range forecasting is mostly doubtfull at best.
I prepared for the winter, did the garden, antenná's satellite dish and motor, prepped the car bought 40 liters kerosine for the kerosine lamps and the stove.
Have road salt for my garden path, and the rest we'll have to see...

[W7XF]

40 litres of kerosene... that probably broke the bank!!

[PA5COR]

Nope, for heating the low tax tariff applies 2 x 20 liter tanks are 50 euro or just under 70 Bucks.
Specially extra low sulphur and low aromatic kerosene you can't smell the lamps or stove burning, ideal for in the house.

[N2NH]

Maybe a week or so from peak right now. Nearly 1/2 of the foliage has changed. Temps in the 80s all week and no rain for about two weeks - very unusual. Hasn't happened for at least two years. Get the feeling that this is the calm before the storm?

[KG4CGC]

Days in the 80s and nights in the low 60s upper 50s.

[kb2vxa]

"Get the feeling that this is the calm before the storm?"

AH CHADAAAP! We had enough of that chit from the 22nd to the 31st a year ago so keep your feelings to yourself... peas?

[W5BRM]

http://twitpic.com/dfxior

talk of winter storm for north plains already via KMGH in Denverr

[KG4NEL]

Low 70s again plz

80s with summertime-esque humidity is not helping my running times.

[K7SGJ]

Low 70s again plz

80s with summertime-esque humidity is not helping my running times.

You have the runs?

[NA4BH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t45QGRSXS1I

[N2NH]

Thanks to the "shutdown," many systrms used by NOAA to warn people of severe weather are not in operation at this time. Should bring us back to the 1960s if it goes on for much longer.

[N2NH]

Weeelll, there is this global warming thing that has been mostly ignored for the last half century or so...

I doubt if Mother Nature is a one-trick pony in any case...


"Get the feeling that this is the calm before the storm?"

AH CHADAAAP! We had enough of that chit from the 22nd to the 31st a year ago so keep your feelings to yourself... peas?

[PA5COR]

As if this week wasn't active enough, the next couple of days will see Tropical Storm (potentially Hurricane) Karen making landfall on the northern Gulf Coast, a major severe weather outbreak across Iowa and southern Minnesota, and the first major blizzard of the year in the upper Plains.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/03/1243877/-Over-the-next-3-days-the-US-will-see-a-hurricane-a-tornado-outbreak-and-a-blizzard

Charts and other goodies follow the linky

[NQ6U]

50+ MPH Santa Ana winds, single-digit humidity and a Red Flag Wildfire Warning here this weekend. Lovely.

[KG4NEL]

You have the runs?

Sometimes they last for 10+ miles. :spin:

[KG4NEL]

Thanks to the "shutdown," many systrms used by NOAA to warn people of severe weather are not in operation at this time. Should bring us back to the 1960s if it goes on for much longer.

People on QRZ should be thrilled.

:stirpot:

[N2NH]

Past peak for foliage here. Forecast for tonite 31°F and flurries are already falling in the Catskills. It was 34°F last night.

Hopefully winter will not last until the end of April this time. We still had snow on the ground until the last week of April this spring.

[KG4CGC]

We went from days in the 70s with nights in the low 60s to days in the 50s and nights in the low 30s.
Varies greatly around here with the rolling hills. The weather station in one part of town might say 40 while 2 miles away it might be 32. If you've ever ridden down the road on a bike or with the windows cracked and felt a sudden change in air temperature then you know what I'm talking about.

The rolling hills of the region, which is part of and just below the foothills of the Appalachian Chain, have often been said to be reminiscent of the rolling hills of the Scotland and Ireland. For this, and other reasons, there is a rich Scots/Irish heritage celebrated here. Matter of fact, there are families that claim to have been here since the late 1600s.

[PA5COR]

Up the roof tomorrow, checking out the stuff, monday a 60 knot wind expected here, gusting might even be more.
Damn thise autumn storms...

[K7SGJ]

Looks like another 90 degree day, followed by a 65 degree night. Ho-hum.

[KG4CGC]

25 degrees? Really? I blame Canada therefore it's Ted Cruz's fault.

[kb2vxa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

[KG4CGC]

♪ they're not even a real country anyway ♫

[N2NH]

Well past peak foliage here. Had a 10 minute 60-70 MPH burst of wind yesterday morning. Sounded like a train with white sheets of rain falling sideways. Should be in the upper 20s by Monday morning. I hold out hope for a month or two of cold followed by above normal temps in Feb. The locals said the 8 or 10 feet of snow we got last winter was lower than usual. I think we'll get the usual this year. Got snowed in for 3 weeks last winter too.

[NQ6U]

Clear, sunny and 62°F (17°C) here. You know—another perfect day in San Diego. Yawn.

[n2ize]

We went from days in the 70s with nights in the low 60s to days in the 50s and nights in the low 30s.
Varies greatly around here with the rolling hills. The weather station in one part of town might say 40 while 2 miles away it might be 32. If you've ever ridden down the road on a bike or with the windows cracked and felt a sudden change in air temperature then you know what I'm talking about.


I've felt that simply walking through wooded areas. I'll go from higher ground to low ground on a hot day and as I step into the low ground notice a definite change in temperature (cooler).

I've also felt that sudden temperature drop during approaching severe thunderstorms. It's hot and humid and then a hard blast of cold downdraft wind hits you that is much cooler than the surrounding air it's displacing. Of course that could also be a bad sign. That hot air being displaced rises and if the thunderstorm is spinning all hell can break loose.

[n2ize]

Well past peak foliage here. Had a 10 minute 60-70 MPH burst of wind yesterday morning. Sounded like a train with white sheets of rain falling sideways. Should be in the upper 20s by Monday morning. I hold out hope for a month or two of cold followed by above normal temps in Feb. The locals said the 8 or 10 feet of snow we got last winter was lower than usual. I think we'll get the usual this year. Got snowed in for 3 weeks last winter too.

When I was up in the Adirondacks a couple decades ago I got snowed in for two months until the spring thaw. There was no way in or out. When I retire and head up to the Yukon I expect to be snowed in regularly for the entire winter season which lasts quite long up there. Well, it still beats dodging falling trees in the hurricanes and having to take shelter from the tornadoes down here.

[n2ize]

As if this week wasn't active enough, the next couple of days will see Tropical Storm (potentially Hurricane) Karen making landfall on the northern Gulf Coast, a major severe weather outbreak across Iowa and southern Minnesota, and the first major blizzard of the year in the upper Plains.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/03/1243877/-Over-the-next-3-days-the-US-will-see-a-hurricane-a-tornado-outbreak-and-a-blizzard

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Just a typical week here in the United States. The blizzard is great news for the ski season.

[PA5COR]

Just had another gale force 8 here hailstorm, and mixed with several twisters doing some serious damage in the Netherlands, cars thrown over or pulled up and thrown down 25 50 yards awway, damage on houses and larger structures.
Thursday the next storm...

[n2ize]

Just had another gale force 8 here hailstorm, and mixed with several twisters doing some serious damage in the Netherlands, cars thrown over or pulled up and thrown down 25 50 yards awway, damage on houses and larger structures.
Thursday the next storm...

Sounds like your getting American style weather over there. Pretty unusual. Could possibly be related to climate change. Or perhaps normal coincidence.

[PA5COR]

There is a tendency over the last decades to have more tornado's and waterspouts, more storms, = more energy in the weather and atmosphere.
Combined with the 5 colder winters the last years, more snow and blockings that caused that, less ice on the arctic seen as cause for the blocking, something weird is going on.
Luckily i build my antenna setups wuthh 316 stainless steel including guy wires etc.
( not the inverted L that is 5 mm aramid rope good for 1300 pounds.

Time will tell.

[kb2vxa]

Then time will tell
Who has fell
And who's been left behind
When you go your way and I go mine

Di Lann

[N2NH]

All the leaves are brown,
And the sky is gray...

[PA5COR]

Western circulation now, mostly that will stay for a long time, bringing wet and moderate temperatures over Europe, and stormy season.
Contrary to the USA and UK weather boffins expectations about a new "horror" winter i expect with the western circulation more stormy weather moist and temps above 0 till the end of December.

January and February might bring some more temps below 0 but i expect no real harsh winter, certainly not a "horror" winter.
Something we normally have in ourr moderate sea climate.
Still leaves on the trees, 6 C now in the morning, drizzling rain.

[kb2vxa]

There's the Joan Jettstream and the Gulfstream, together now dragging America's weather in their wake Europe gets it full on. There can be no other explanation unless you ask Al Gorey and he'll blame it on global warming, ask Julia Gillard and she'll tax your CO2. You just can't win mixing weather and politics.

[n2ize]

If Albert Einstein, Carl Gauss, Felix Klein, or Avagadro were alive today they would hit their foreheads in disbelief over global warming. Joan Jetstream hates herself for loving global warming.

[PA5COR]

Didn't take long, yesterday another few tornado's struck city's here, doing some serious damage to houses and large buildings, costing double figure millions of euro's....
Australia has it's 15th month in a row much too hot and dry.

[n2ize]

There's the Joan Jettstream and the Gulfstream, together now dragging America's weather in their wake Europe gets it full on. There can be no other explanation unless you ask Al Gorey and he'll blame it on global warming, ask Julia Gillard and she'll tax your CO2. You just can't win mixing weather and politics.

https://forums.hamisland.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10934&stc=1&d=1383605683


Never really saw a picture of her face up close. She wasn't bad looking. It does however look like she has a minor subconjunctival hemorrhage in her left eye.

[n2ize]

We just got clobbered by extremely hard winds here and heavy rain and hail. Lasted about 5 minutes but it was powerful.

[N2NH]

Sounds like a microburst. Had one here a few weeks ago. Duration is from 5 to 15 minutes.

Snow flurries reported in the Adirondacks and western Catskills. We are forecast (by accuweather @weather.com) to be 19°F and have flurries in a week or so. Hope they're right. Last year they predicted 4" of snow and we ended up with 3' and snowed in.

[PA5COR]

Last night some hail and wind here 40-50 miles per Hour, nothing special after that big one.

[n2ize]

Sounds like a microburst. Had one here a few weeks ago. Duration is from 5 to 15 minutes.

Snow flurries reported in the Adirondacks and western Catskills. We are forecast (by accuweather @weather.com) to be 19°F and have flurries in a week or so. Hope they're right. Last year they predicted 4" of snow and we ended up with 3' and snowed in.

Back when I lived in Old Forge (In the Adirondacks) I was snowed in from October to the late spring. Temps ranged from 5-10 deg by day to -60 - -30 at night. When I retire I'll be hading up to the Yukon. There I expect to be regularly snowed in all winter... which lasts very long.

Incidentally, one thing I can't stand about Joan Jett is that she is a supporter of PETA. I hate PETA. Otherwise she still looks good for her old age.

[n2ize]

Had our very first snow here this morning. Temps are going down to the low 20's tonight. It's 32 deg and I am going outside to barbecue in the wind and cold. I don't know about the rest of you but I love this kind of weather.

[kb2crk]

Supposed to be a big temp drop tonight. Windy and rain for this evening (no rain yet) and a drop into the 20's by morning. I am glad that I finally fixed the heat in my van on Sunday.....

[KG4CGC]

Supposed to be a big temp drop tonight. Windy and rain for this evening (no rain yet) and a drop into the 20's by morning. I am glad that I finally fixed the heat in my van on Sunday.....

Same here. Chillowee and windy.

[K7SGJ]

Close to 92 here today, still 81 out. Brrrrrrrr.

[KG4CGC]

Close to 92 here today, still 81 out. Brrrrrrrr.

Rat Bastid.

[kb2crk]

Same here. Chillowee and windy.
Well Charles, you are only 80 miles NE of me.....LOL

[KG4CGC]

Well Charles, you are only 80 miles NE of me.....LOL

I know but it's really cutting deep if you're feeling it. If I had the deep pockets, now would be about the time of year I'd set up the QTH at KW and sip Cuban coffee.

[NQ6U]

It hit 80°F here today, 85° forecast for tomorrow but there's a 20° temperature drop expected by the weekend.

[n2ize]

Down to about 27 right now at 3:56 am. Probably will get down to the lower 20's by daybreak. Clear outside now. Hoh tomorrow called for only 37. Then back to the 50's for the remainder of the week. Gonna go back to sleep.

[PA5COR]

Temps slowly dropping, signalling the end of Autumn and th start of winter, just 3.8 C sunny and dry though..

[KG4CGC]

Interesting past 20 hours.
This time yesterday it was 66º and it looked like it was a nice day. By 1pm the sky turned gray and windy. By 3pm the wind was gusting up to 40mph and the temps dropped by 15º. Sunset the sky was weird with colors from green to red. By 8pm it was violently windy with 50mph gusts and surrounding counties were reporting frozen precipitation without accumulation. Temps were rapidly dropping before settling down to 26º although one station down the road reported 23º.
Currently it is 42º with a clear blue sky and no wind. It might reach 46º by 3pm before the temps try to bottom out again.

[KG4CGC]

The whole sky was lit up as the Sun went down. I missed green and violet but caught the red display.
At this point, based on what time it was, I believe the sun was past the horizon a bit as I got to see some of the actual sunset as I got to see the actual shadow against the trees to the west which face east. I think this was a cold phenomenon where the light from the Sun was being curved around further coloring the light. From what I could read, at this point it was curved up. Earlier, when the color was purple/bluish, it was being bent the other way.



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/drinks/Red_Sky_Sunset_02_zps1a2df863.png

[VE7DCW]

It hit 80°F here today, 85° forecast for tomorrow but there's a 20° temperature drop expected by the weekend.

Most interesting.......... we hit 17.2 degrees Celsius at the time you were hitting your high temperatures Carl.... I've never seen it that warm here in November......ever!

Co-incidentally ......the weather people here say it will cool down this week end for us as well......hmmmm. :chin:

[kb2vxa]

WOW! That's one helluvuh sunset and an antenna in it too! It's the usual autumn sliding into winter here, last night being the first to sink to the freezing mark and it doesn't reach 60F/15C during the day anymore. I've fattened up enough, soon I go into hibernation.

[N2NH]

Beautiful sunset Charles. Looks like a Hy-Gain vertical. The sunsets here are purple and orange this time of year. That's different.

Hit 16°F in Poughkeepsie, we're usually 3 to 4 degrees cooler than they are due to distance and altitude. Dropped 18 degrees in two hours overnight. No snow here yet. Odd. Usually we get it before NYC does.

So we probably hit 12°F this AM. (-11°C).

[KG4CGC]

Yeah, I'm in my usual January house clothes.

[K7SGJ]

Jezzus. We're going to have to start the AC back up.

[n2ize]

The whole sky was lit up as the Sun went down. I missed green and violet but caught the red display.
At this point, based on what time it was, I believe the sun was past the horizon a bit as I got to see some of the actual sunset as I got to see the actual shadow against the trees to the west which face east. I think this was a cold phenomenon where the light from the Sun was being curved around further coloring the light. From what I could read, at this point it was curved up. Earlier, when the color was purple/bluish, it was being bent the other way.





yeah, that is an awesome sky. We've been getting them here the last couple weeks. This time of year is great for both foliage and sky colour displays.

[n2ize]

Beautiful sunset Charles. Looks like a Hy-Gain vertical. The sunsets here are purple and orange this time of year. That's different.

Hit 16°F in Poughkeepsie, we're usually 3 to 4 degrees cooler than they are due to distance and altitude. Dropped 18 degrees in two hours overnight. No snow here yet. Odd. Usually we get it before NYC does.

So we probably hit 12°F this AM. (-11°C).

Friend of mine in Old Forge NY has already seen snow and a lot of subfreezing days What a difference some distance and elevation makes. The other day Brooklyn got more snow than us.

[KG4CGC]

Beautiful sunset Charles. Looks like a Hy-Gain vertical. The sunsets here are purple and orange this time of year. That's different.

Hit 16°F in Poughkeepsie, we're usually 3 to 4 degrees cooler than they are due to distance and altitude. Dropped 18 degrees in two hours overnight. No snow here yet. Odd. Usually we get it before NYC does.

So we probably hit 12°F this AM. (-11°C).

Thanks.
It's my 10m ant. A 17 year old Antron 99.

[N2NH]

29°F today's high with winds 30 MPH and gusts to 50 MPH. Here in the foot hills, add 15 MPH to those gusrs.

[NQ6U]

68°F (20°C) and sunny here, beautiful blue sky studded with scattered fluffy clouds. Yet another perfect day on the Islets of Langerhans.

[kb2vxa]

Presently 27 on its way down to 20, then warming slightly until Tuesday when 50 is expected. Forward into a lousy week of rain and possible snow Wednesday night and blustery the rest of the week. YUCH! Time to hibernate, briefly coming out for a munchie and back to my cave.

[KG4CGC]

Temp has been bouncing between 27 and 32 for the last 2 hours. Highs for the week will run fro 42 to 48.

[NA4BH]

They are mentioning the "S" word around here for Tuesday and/or Wednesday. While the "S" word might mean spumoni ice cream for some, it means trouble down here.

[n2ize]

Finally we've got some decent weather. It's cool out tonight about 21 deg F outside now and will be warming up to 33 or so during the day. Tuesday and wed it will be mild with rain or rain/snow (in the 40's) then a bit cooler on thurs and fri.

[kb2vxa]

Well, I DID say it was going to rain and if it gets cold enough Wednesday night this mess will turn to snow. Should be sunny Turkey Day but windy and cold.

[n2ize]

Well, I DID say it was going to rain and if it gets cold enough Wednesday night this mess will turn to snow. Should be sunny Turkey Day but windy and cold.

Sounds good to me. Except I would say "cool" as opposed to "cold". To me "cold" < -20 deg F

[N2NH]

The local area here will get between 2 to 4" of rain if we're lucky. If we're not, 4"+, followed by snow and ice. A bit slippery coming home tonight, but the temps have been going up since then.

[KG4CGC]

Been raining all day, about 1.5". Humidity very high. Morning low expected to be around 26º. Are people going to stay home?
When I worked at the kayak plant, one morning it was frozen roads. It wasn't my shift that week but a lot of people didn't make it for their shift. The following pay period, the company prez decided that no one on that shift was being paid, at all.
So, how does that play out in South Carolina? The SC labor commission informed the prez that he would have to pay them all triple. Even in this state, not paying your employees doesn't stand. That was 2006. Things may have changed since then.

[W7XF]

That same storm dumped 2.99" of dihydrogen monoxide here in Marijuana..... and a foot of snow on Mt. Lemmon. Enjoy, Wrong Coast!!

[VE7DCW]

Well....... the crazy weather time of year has arrived....... it's not even an La Nina year and the weatherman has warnings out that arctic front conditions are going to hit us on the coast of British Columbia......they're warning sometime this weekend with very cold,snowy and blowing snow conditions expected.....this, telling us when it's 13 degrees Celsius outside at the moment! Yikes!! .... nothing like experience of extremes in the blink of an eye! :yuck:

[KG4CGC]

Well....... the crazy weather time of year has arrived....... it's not even an La Nina year and the weatherman has warnings out that arctic front conditions are going to hit us on the coast of British Columbia......they're warning sometime this weekend with very cold,snowy and blowing snow conditions expected.....this, telling us when it's 13 degrees Celsius outside at the moment! Yikes!! .... nothing like experience of extremes in the blink of an eye! :yuck:
I heard something similar for next weekend. I hope this doesn't set up as a cycle that repeats itself over and over. The South really can't handle snow more than once or twice a year. The economy would collapse and they would shut down social services to pay for road maintenance. The business people around here threaten to pull out if the roads are not cleared and that year it stayed very cold for prolonged periods the counties and then the state ran out of money for road clearing and no other crew from other states could help because everyone was getting slammered that year.

The following year they over budgeted for weather but it was warm. Naturally the short of mind and memory complained of waste.

[PA5COR]

Lots of rain the last day's with some sunny periods, 7 C temps looking like it will become colder next week with later some snow.

[NQ6U]

Might get a little rain today, then it's going to warm up into the mid-seventies for the next few day. After that, there's a cooling trend predicted—or what passes for one around here. By Wednesday next week, the highs will "only" reach into the high fifties. People will be donning their down parkas and mukluks.

[N2NH]

Might get a little rain today, then it's going to warm up into the mid-seventies for the next few day. After that, there's a cooling trend predicted—or what passes for one around here. By Wednesday next week, the highs will "only" reach into the high fifties. People will be donning their down parkas and mukluks.

Parkas? Mikluks?

I wander about in 20°-30° weather even when windy in a light jacket.The parka comes out for anything below that... I noticed the same thing in Florida though. When it got to 45 parkas sprouted everywhere.

[kb2vxa]

"Yikes!! .... nothing like experience of extremes in the blink of an eye!"

We're used to that in New Jersey. We have a saying; if you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes.

[n2ize]

Parkas? Mikluks?

I wander about in 20°-30° weather even when windy in a light jacket.The parka comes out for anything below that... I noticed the same thing in Florida though. When it got to 45 parkas sprouted everywhere.

Same here. My ancestry came from places where it was bitter cold. 40 and above I wear a tee shirt outdoors. 20-30 I wear a long sleeve shirt. Less than 20 I might wear a light jacket.

[N8GAV]

Well here we go, starting to pick up some ice and sleet. Almost hit the deck as I went out to the mail box.

[KG4CGC]

75º today.
58º tomorrow.
45º Sunday.

[N8GAV]

75º today.
58º tomorrow.
45º Sunday.

65 yesterday
34 today
26 tomorrow
29 Sunday
Freezing rain and sleet outside now. Winter sucks

[kb2vxa]

"Winter sucks"

I tend to agree, but you DO live in Wintersville. Then there is Winterthur, Switzerland, John and Edgar Winter.............

[n2ize]

What you call winter will be warm to me when I move up to the Yukon in about 9-10 years. You can keep the blazing heat waves, tornadoes and hurricanes.

[K7SGJ]

What you call winter will be warm to me when I move up to the Yukon in about 9-10 years.

Due to global warming, in 10 years, the Yukon will be like the jungles of Ecuador.

[n2ize]

Due to global warming, in 10 years, the Yukon will be like the jungles of Ecuador.

Possible... very possible. But then it's just a natural cycle. ;)

[KK4AMI]

We are due to get sleet and freezing rain on Sunday. Got the generator ready. Around here, a 1/2 inch of ice is like a guaranteed 3 day power failure.

[N2NH]

Snow. For about 12 hours. They're forecasting 2" but the last time it snowed that long, they said 3" and we got 43".

To be followed by yet another storm just two days later. That will be the fourth storm in a bit over a week.

[n2ize]

Snow. For about 12 hours. They're forecasting 2" but the last time it snowed that long, they said 3" and we got 43".

To be followed by yet another storm just two days later. That will be the fourth storm in a bit over a week.

last year we got about 7 feet of snow with drifts covering houses. I had to leave the house from the top floor wearing snowshoes. NYC even got hit harder and in particular East New York Brooklyn got about 10-15 feet including a snownado. I have a feeling this year will be worst. This coming storm will probably dump at least 4-5 feet and then the next one later next week at least another 5-190 feet.

[PA5COR]

No snow stuff or cold.
After that second hurricane high pressure pulls up warmer weather from the south and 11 C will be the temperature here, cloudy though but no wind.
Feeling quite comfy actually outside.
That goes for much of Europe now, warmer temperatures as normal, seems you guys got all the fun..

[KK4AMI]

No snow stuff or cold.
After that second hurricane high pressure pulls up warmer weather from the south and 11 C will be the temperature here, cloudy though but no wind.
Feeling quite comfy actually outside.
That goes for much of Europe now, warmer temperatures as normal, seems you guys got all the fun..

You all must have been bad this year. We are getting snow to get ready for Santa's sleigh and reindeer. Obviously the sleigh and reindeer can't fly or land in 150 km/hr winds and tropical temperatures. :naughty:

[N8GAV]

Well here we go again, starting to snow which turn over to freezing rain then rain . Temp. started out in the 20's rising to mid 30's then 41 over night and rain into tomorrow afternoon. Going to be a day were I think I will stay in doors, ice and I don't get along.

[N2NH]

last year we got about 7 feet of snow with drifts covering houses. I had to leave the house from the top floor wearing snowshoes. NYC even got hit harder and in particular East New York Brooklyn got about 10-15 feet including a snownado. I have a feeling this year will be worst. This coming storm will probably dump at least 4-5 feet and then the next one later next week at least another 5-190 feet.

They sez no.


snowfalls 10" or greater......
Year....date....amount"...

2013...2/8-9.........11.4"

SITE: American Weather, NYC Snowfall (http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/37763-nyc-snowfall-2012-13/)

[n2ize]

They sez no.



SITE: American Weather, NYC Snowfall (http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/37763-nyc-snowfall-2012-13/)

Well I remember what I saw when I tried to step out of the house here and came to the realization that we were buried in snow. All the exits and lower floors were completely buried. Anyway I think this year will be the year of intense blizzards and snowstorms.

[N2NH]

Well I remember what I saw when I tried to step out of the house here and came to the realization that we were buried in snow. All the exits and lower floors were completely buried. Anyway I think this year will be the year of intense blizzards and snowstorms.

Pictures.

[PA5COR]

All long range weather forecasters for this year predicted a 100 year cold "horror" winter for Europe that should have started already, but no show.
Just looke at the 14 day ahead expectations, too warm, some rain high pressure over us.
Joe Bastardi eat your heart out ;) wrong again....

Santa can add some wheels to his sled can't he? ;)

[kb2vxa]

Here's a laugh from the National Weather Service for my area:

Late Afternoon Snow and freezing rain. High near 37. Northeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Little or no ice accumulation expected. Little or no snow accumulation expected.
Tonight Rain and snow before 8pm, then rain, snow, and sleet between 8pm and 9pm, then rain after 9pm. Temperature rising to around 41 by 4am. East wind 10 to 14 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Little or no snow accumulation expected.

Monday Rain, mainly before 2pm. High near 51. East wind 8 to 15 mph becoming west in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
Monday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around 34. West wind 10 to 13 mph.

Tuesday A slight chance of rain and snow showers before 10am, then a chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 38. Northwest wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.

It's been snowing like hell since around 9:00am (now 2:30pm) with no end in sight, with all that snow in the air I can't see past the end of the block. That's when the snow is supposed to end Tuesday night BTW, then start all over again Saturday.

"Obviously the sleigh and reindeer can't fly or land in 150 km/hr winds and tropical temperatures."
Obviously what? Reindeer can crab and how do you think Santa delivers goodies in Australia? FYI he often takes a break at Bondi Beach and goes surfing before continuing on his way. I guess you've never seen him wearing shorts and basking in the sun drinking a mai tai.