Technology for Country folks.

[KG4CGC]

I'm yet to see this perk for any private sector job. Most jobs are "use it or lose it."

If I'm footin' the bill, I don't want this perk for state employees. We elected the Governor to act on our behalf, and he has.




There's lots of proof of abuse, and bear in mind that some of it is completely legal. Christie worked to remove the legal part.

Even IF an employee came to work every day and didn't take vacation or sick time (super human state employees?) I would hate to think that the state was stressing people out like that. You're given vacation days to take a break from a stressful job. Sick days are for when you're sick. They're not to be banked and cashed out as a a golden parachute.

Private sector jobs were not always like that. The shift towards rightwing policies over the last 3 decades made so.
As for proof of abuse, if it was legal at the time, was it them abuse or simply taking advantage of the system in place, much like what businesses do today to squeeze as much profit as possible from each employee, whether it is morally correct or not?

[N2RJ]

Private sector jobs were not always like that. The shift towards rightwing policies over the last 3 decades made so.
As for proof of abuse, if it was legal at the time, was it them abuse or simply taking advantage of the system in place, much like what businesses do today to squeeze as much profit as possible from each employee, whether it is morally correct or not.

Most of the changes are in effect for new hires.

With regard to the benefits and pay, it also wasn't always that way. Under previous administrations they sweetened the deal as much as they could get away with.

I don't really mind the payout of unused vacation days. Sick days? Use it or lose it. Also, pay them out at the rate at which they were earned. 100% fine with that.

[KG4CGC]

And when I was making kayaks, the use it or lose policy was in effect BUT, if you put in for vacation and were denied time because they would always say, "We can't spare you at the moment." The policy of lose it also meant that you not only lost the days at the turnover period, you lost the pay out. Even if you were denied the requested time.
Right to work basically means that an employer has the right to tell you to get fucked.

[kf0rt]

Private sector jobs were not always like that. The shift towards rightwing policies over the last 3 decades made so.

Truth, though I'm not sure if this is due to rightwing policies.

Untill 11 years ago, I had no cap on vacation or personal time. They'd even buy back any personal time over 80 hours once a year. I had about 1,000 hours on the books. Then a rule was made (just for us "abusers") that said we had to burn one more week than we got each year. Get 4, you have to take 5. This lasted until 3 years ago when they capped everything to 240 hours vacation and pure use/lose on personal. Everyone in excess was paid out the difference. Then this year, they moved the cap to 200 hours. At 200 hours, you stop accumulating. Haven't lost any money over the deal, and it was fun taking 5 weeks off for a few years.

This has all been a pushed policy from the Corporate folks. They're in Europe.

Part of the problem is that companies don't escrow this, so it can really screw them if someone leaves with a lot of hours on the books or if they're facing a layoff situation (I've seen it).

Public sector -- I have no problem with capping vacation there either, provided the employees are given a fair chance at actually taking the time off. They really did earn it - if there's abuse, fix THAT.

[N7YA]

In the case of Gov. Christie, you could tap methane out of that source too. Copious amounts of methane.

Shit, he would produce enough oil to keep a fishing village going all winter!

YEAH! Got my 'fat governor' joke of the day in there!

[KG4CGC]

From my point of view, I've been watching it from the front row seats of a hardcore rightwing state.
Rut Rut Rightwing.

[N2RJ]

And when I was making kayaks, the use it or lose policy was in effect BUT, if you put in for vacation and were denied time because they would always say, "We can't spare you at the moment." The policy of lose it also meant that you not only lost the days at the turnover period, you lost the pay out. Even if you were denied the requested time.
Right to work basically means that an employer has the right to tell you to get fucked.

Well in that case, instead of paying overtime and sick days, the Governments really should hire enough staff instead of laying them off (yes, I agree that layoffs that result in short staffing are bad).

[N2RJ]

This has all been a pushed policy from the Corporate folks. They're in Europe.

Part of the problem is that companies don't escrow this, so it can really screw them if someone leaves with a lot of hours on the books or if they're facing a layoff situation (I've seen it).

We have a "use it or lose it" and a limited carryover. But the employee handbook says that we really should take our vacation. Nobody I know of loses any vacation time. I get a little over a month each year including floating holidays (which are treated like vacation days) and I use it all.

Vacation is there for a reason - people need to unwind and de-stress.

Public sector -- I have no problem with capping vacation there either, provided the employees are given a fair chance at actually taking the time off. They really did earn it - if there's abuse, fix THAT.

Agreed 100%. Instead of paying large amounts of overtime, hiring should be streamlined so there's enough staff.

[kf0rt]

Vacation is there for a reason - people need to unwind and de-stress.

True, and that's policy here too. Problem is, I'm usually rewound and restressed by 8 AM on the day back.

[WØTKX]

As soon as everybody else shows up.