My time to decide between a Canon vs Nikon grows short

[kf0rt]

Do you have much of a lens investment in Canon?

My advice to newbs on DSLRs is to try both Canon and Nikon hands-on and see which works best for you. They handle differently and some folks have a strong preference one way or another. You may find that you like the Canon better. I prefer Nikon (hands down). I have used a 5D (MK II) and own a D7000 (and a D80). They all do a fantastic job, so for me it mostly boils down to ergonomics (how fast can I set this thing up to get the shot).

I think it's somewhat important to pick a system and stick with it just because of the lens expense. Also, be aware that the 5D is full frame while the D7000 is a DX sensor camera. A better comparison might be the D7000 and the Canon 7D. The 5D is a class above this (as evidenced by the price). The 5D competes with the Nikon D800 these days. This all has lens ramifications because of the sensor size. DX lenses are generally cheaper, but not well suited to FF bodies. FF lenses work great on DX bodies, though.

That said, I love the D7000. Got it about a year and a half ago and it's probably as much camera as I'll ever need. It's also at about my limit price-wise.

You really can't go wrong with any of these from a photographic standpoint -- they're all excellent. That's why "user preference" gets the nod here. Go with what feels more natural to you. I've found that with Canon, I have to "fiddle" to find stuff, but with the Nikon, it's all right there. Other people say just the opposite. My 35mm film background was mostly Pentax. All of my P&S cameras are Canon, though. Love that S95. ;)

I'd even suggest looking at the next line down from the D7000 / D7. The Nikon D5100 is a great camera (same sensor as the D7000). The new Canon T4i looks like it'd be worth consideration, too.

[K7SGJ]

Do you have much of a lens investment in Canon?

My advice to newbs on DSLRs is to try both Canon and Nikon hands-on and see which works best for you. They handle differently and some folks have a strong preference one way or another. You may find that you like the Canon better. I prefer Nikon (hands down). I have used a 5D (MK II) and own a D7000 (and a D80). They all do a fantastic job, so for me it mostly boils down to ergonomics (how fast can I set this thing up to get the shot).

I think it's somewhat important to pick a system and stick with it just because of the lens expense. Also, be aware that the 5D is full frame while the D7000 is a DX sensor camera. A better comparison might be the D7000 and the Canon 7D. The 5D is a class above this (as evidenced by the price). The 5D competes with the Nikon D800 these days. This all has lens ramifications because of the sensor size. DX lenses are generally cheaper, but not well suited to FF bodies. FF lenses work great on DX bodies, though.

That said, I love the D7000. Got it about a year and a half ago and it's probably as much camera as I'll ever need. It's also at about my limit price-wise.

You really can't go wrong with any of these from a photographic standpoint -- they're all excellent. That's why "user preference" gets the nod here. Go with what feels more natural to you. I've found that with Canon, I have to "fiddle" to find stuff, but with the Nikon, it's all right there. Other people say just the opposite. My 35mm film background was mostly Pentax. All of my P&S cameras are Canon, though. Love that S95. ;)

I'd even suggest looking at the next line down from the D7000 / D7. The Nikon D5100 is a great camera (same sensor as the D7000). The new Canon T4i looks like it'd be worth consideration, too.

Fortunately, the lens situation isn't a deciding factor, yet. Like I said, my wife and I were Pentax fan early on, and had/have pretty much every lens imaginable, along with several bodies, auto winders, etc. A lot of good that does us now. I shot a lot of shit for the TV station I worked at back then. Free film and developing for company and personal use, what a deal. But I digress. That's why I need to decide which way to go now because I don't want to be invested in one or the other, and then decide to switch. To be honest, as much as I like Canon, and have been totaly happy with their product, I really am leaning towards the D7000. Maybe it's just because I want to try something different; I don't know. Between you and a couple of others I know with them, I don't think I will be disappointed, and, the learning curve shouldn't be that steep. Familiarization with the product is the main thing, and fortunately, it doesn't have to be done at the expense film/developing. As far as the T4 goes, I've looked at it, but would like a little more than it offers. I have a T3 which is okay, and it has served me well, but again, it is lacking. For everyday, leave it on the table, for that quick shot P&S, the Canon SX210 has been a nice little unit, with lots of nice features. We've used the hell out of it.

The Nikon, before additional lens and accessories is pretty near what I have to spend, and appears to have everything I need now or could want in the future. I guess what I'm looking for, is someone to give me a good reason NOT to go with the Nikon, but I doubt that's going to happen.

[kf0rt]

The Nikon, before additional lens and accessories is pretty near what I have to spend, and appears to have everything I need now or could want in the future. I guess what I'm looking for, is someone to give me a good reason NOT to go with the Nikon, but I doubt that's going to happen.

You'll love the D7000, Eddie. ;) It's relatively easy to use in the first place and there's not much learning curve if you've already used a digital SLR. The D7000 has about 10 billion settings, but an auto mode that actually works. I've found myself hooked on the "User" settings. Have U1 set for general purpose outdoor use. Aperture priority, ISO 200. U2 is the same thing, but bracketed for HDR (seem to be playing with that a bit). Flip it to U2 and set the shutter to high speed and it takes three shots real fast. Well built camera and it feels good in my fat hands -- it's got a lot of weather sealing that doesn't exist in lower models. Also love the dual memory slots and the fact that the battery lasts forever.

Now, about lenses....

[K7SGJ]

You'll love the D7000, Eddie. ;) It's relatively easy to use in the first place and there's not much learning curve if you've already used a digital SLR. The D7000 has about 10 billion settings, but an auto mode that actually works. I've found myself hooked on the "User" settings. Have U1 set for general purpose outdoor use. Aperture priority, ISO 200. U2 is the same thing, but bracketed for HDR (seem to be playing with that a bit). Flip it to U2 and set the shutter to high speed and it takes three shots real fast. Well built camera and it feels good in my fat hands -- it's got a lot of weather sealing that doesn't exist in lower models. Also love the dual memory slots and the fact that the battery lasts forever.

Now, about lenses....

I getting ready to order the D7000, but I'm curious about what lenses you have, what you use the most, and what gets little use? This bundle come with a AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II Lens. I think there is room for some lens to fill in a few gaps. Suggestions welcome. What accessories to you have that you like?

[kf0rt]

I getting ready to order the D7000, but I'm curious about what lenses you have, what you use the most, and what gets little use? This bundle come with a AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II Lens. I think there is room for some lens to fill in a few gaps. Suggestions welcome. What accessories to you have that you like?

The 18-200 VR is a great "walk around" lens (don't own one, but have used it).

Price-wise (and if you don't mind changing lenses), you might consider the 18-105 VR (that's the standard kit lens for the D7000) and add the 70-300 VR. This is what I have, and use most. The 70-300 VR will give you a bit more reach than the 18-200 and I've found it to be a great performer. The 18-105 is no slouch and it's a true bargain because they make so many of them. Those two lenses probably cover about 95% of what I do, and the 18-105 gets a lot of use. I usually have the 70-300 on for things like the local Renaissance Faire and the beaches of Cancun. ;)

Been getting a bit more into macro stuff lately and have a 55mm f2.8 AIS (manual) lens, the 60mm f2.8 D (AF, but uses the screw drive) and the king of the Micro-Nikkor line, the 105mm AF-S 2.8 VR ED N. Wouldn't buy any of these unless you're into macro stuff. Probably the least-used lens I have is the 50mm f1.8 D. Great lens, just doesn't get used much. Keeping in mind that the D7000 has an APS-C sensor, all of these focal lengths get multiplied by 1.5 for comparison with 35mm film cameras.

The 18-200 is a fine choice, though. You might try it and see if you even need anything more -- it's the "only" lens for a lot of people and if I was only going to have one lens, that would probably be my choice. With VR and the high ISO capabilities of the D7000, the really fast lenses ($$$) aren't as important as they once were. The D7000 is really quite a lot of fun at ISO 6400 (but that's pushing things, so to speak).

Accessories... You'll want the ML-L3 remote (just get it, it's cheap). Amazed at how much that gets used. I've also got an SB-800 flash (now replaced by the SB-910). No idea why those things are so expensive, but they sure work well. Spare batteries... I'd considered getting the MB-D11 battery pack, but the D7000 is so low-power you don't really need it -- it really will do 1,000 shots on a charge. One spare so you can charge one while using the other is probably more than enough.

I'm not a big fan of the "comes with" camera straps. Don't care for the advertising, and they're just uncomfortable. I use this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846 Quick-disconnect and it has a pocket that's perfect for the little remote.

Of course, there's the other stuff, too. A decent card reader for the computer, a good tripod, camera bag, etc. I've been using 8Gig Sandisk Extreme memory cards (20 or 30 MB/s - fast enough for HD movies) -- don't shoot much RAW or movies and 8 Gig almost seems too big.

If you want a really good book on the D7000 (User's manual done right!), get Thom Hogan's e-book here: http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000guide.htm The Nikon book explains WHAT. Thom explains WHY. 820 page PDF file with a bunch of other goodies.

Then, there's software... I've become a big fan of Adobe Lightroom over the last couple years. It handles most of my editing, but is also excellent for cataloging everything so you can find stuff easily. The latest version even interfaces to Blurb for making photo books and has a built-in mapping feature for off-line geotagging. For HDR, I use Photomatix Pro and just started looking at Zerene Stacker last weekend for focus stacking (that'll teach me for going to a George Lepp seminar).

Beyond all that, it's like ham radio. Just no end to the ways it can drain your wallet.

D7000 & 70-300 at max zoom:

Four Friends, Cancun Beach by tatanka01b, on Flickr

[K7SGJ]

The 18-200 VR is a great "walk around" lens (don't own one, but have used it).

Price-wise (and if you don't mind changing lenses), you might consider the 18-105 VR (that's the standard kit lens for the D7000) and add the 70-300 VR. This is what I have, and use most. The 70-300 VR will give you a bit more reach than the 18-200 and I've found it to be a great performer. The 18-105 is no slouch and it's a true bargain because they make so many of them. Those two lenses probably cover about 95% of what I do, and the 18-105 gets a lot of use. I usually have the 70-300 on for things like the local Renaissance Faire and the beaches of Cancun. ;)

Been getting a bit more into macro stuff lately and have a 55mm f2.8 AIS (manual) lens, the 60mm f2.8 D (AF, but uses the screw drive) and the king of the Micro-Nikkor line, the 105mm AF-S 2.8 VR ED N. Wouldn't buy any of these unless you're into macro stuff. Probably the least-used lens I have is the 50mm f1.8 D. Great lens, just doesn't get used much. Keeping in mind that the D7000 has an APS-C sensor, all of these focal lengths get multiplied by 1.5 for comparison with 35mm film cameras.

The 18-200 is a fine choice, though. You might try it and see if you even need anything more -- it's the "only" lens for a lot of people and if I was only going to have one lens, that would probably be my choice. With VR and the high ISO capabilities of the D7000, the really fast lenses ($$$) aren't as important as they once were. The D7000 is really quite a lot of fun at ISO 6400 (but that's pushing things, so to speak).

Accessories... You'll want the ML-L3 remote (just get it, it's cheap). Amazed at how much that gets used. I've also got an SB-800 flash (now replaced by the SB-910). No idea why those things are so expensive, but they sure work well. Spare batteries... I'd considered getting the MB-D11 battery pack, but the D7000 is so low-power you don't really need it -- it really will do 1,000 shots on a charge. One spare so you can charge one while using the other is probably more than enough.

I'm not a big fan of the "comes with" camera straps. Don't care for the advertising, and they're just uncomfortable. I use this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846 Quick-disconnect and it has a pocket that's perfect for the little remote.

Of course, there's the other stuff, too. A decent card reader for the computer, a good tripod, camera bag, etc. I've been using 8Gig Sandisk Extreme memory cards (20 or 30 MB/s - fast enough for HD movies) -- don't shoot much RAW or movies and 8 Gig almost seems too big.

If you want a really good book on the D7000 (User's manual done right!), get Thom Hogan's e-book here: http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000guide.htm The Nikon book explains WHAT. Thom explains WHY. 820 page PDF file with a bunch of other goodies.

Then, there's software... I've become a big fan of Adobe Lightroom over the last couple years. It handles most of my editing, but is also excellent for cataloging everything so you can find stuff easily. The latest version even interfaces to Blurb for making photo books and has a built-in mapping feature for off-line geotagging. For HDR, I use Photomatix Pro and just started looking at Zerene Stacker last weekend for focus stacking (that'll teach me for going to a George Lepp seminar).

Beyond all that, it's like ham radio. Just no end to the ways it can drain your wallet.

D7000 & 70-300 at max zoom:

Four Friends, Cancun Beach by tatanka01b, on Flickr

Thanks for the info. I definitely want to get a 35 or 50, as I do like doing macros. Out here in the desert, there is a cornucopia of opportunities for shooting macro. The small flowers on the cactus, little critters running around, and if I get to Cancun, instead of taking a shot like yours, I would rather put on the 50, get real close, and, you know. Get knocked on my ass and have sand kicked in my Nikon.

I'll look into the lens' you listed, although I don't have much of a choice with the bundle I'm looking at. But they are other bundles from several other place.

[kf0rt]

Thanks for the info. I definitely want to get a 35 or 50, as I do like doing macros. Out here in the desert, there is a cornucopia of opportunities for shooting macro. The small flowers on the cactus, little critters running around, and if I get to Cancun, instead of taking a shot like yours, I would rather put on the 50, get real close, and, you know. Get knocked on my ass and have sand kicked in my Nikon.

I'll look into the lens' you listed, although I don't have much of a choice with the bundle I'm looking at. But they are other bundles from several other place.

50mm for a macro lens almost seems too short to me. You really do have to get "on top of it" at that length. Here's a crop of a shot with the 60mm Micro-Nikkor 2.8 D (bigass Orb spider):
001-006-D7K_2870.jpg

Was also going to mention that there are good deals to be had in used lenses. B&H is selling the 60mm new for $464. KEH has the same thing used in excellent condition for $286.

[K7SGJ]

The 18-200 VR is a great "walk around" lens (don't own one, but have used it).

Price-wise (and if you don't mind changing lenses), you might consider the 18-105 VR (that's the standard kit lens for the D7000) and add the 70-300 VR. This is what I have, and use most. The 70-300 VR will give you a bit more reach than the 18-200 and I've found it to be a great performer. The 18-105 is no slouch and it's a true bargain because they make so many of them. Those two lenses probably cover about 95% of what I do, and the 18-105 gets a lot of use. I usually have the 70-300 on for things like the local Renaissance Faire and the beaches of Cancun. ;)

Been getting a bit more into macro stuff lately and have a 55mm f2.8 AIS (manual) lens, the 60mm f2.8 D (AF, but uses the screw drive) and the king of the Micro-Nikkor line, the 105mm AF-S 2.8 VR ED N. Wouldn't buy any of these unless you're into macro stuff. Probably the least-used lens I have is the 50mm f1.8 D. Great lens, just doesn't get used much. Keeping in mind that the D7000 has an APS-C sensor, all of these focal lengths get multiplied by 1.5 for comparison with 35mm film cameras.

The 18-200 is a fine choice, though. You might try it and see if you even need anything more -- it's the "only" lens for a lot of people and if I was only going to have one lens, that would probably be my choice. With VR and the high ISO capabilities of the D7000, the really fast lenses ($$$) aren't as important as they once were. The D7000 is really quite a lot of fun at ISO 6400 (but that's pushing things, so to speak).

Accessories... You'll want the ML-L3 remote (just get it, it's cheap). Amazed at how much that gets used. I've also got an SB-800 flash (now replaced by the SB-910). No idea why those things are so expensive, but they sure work well. Spare batteries... I'd considered getting the MB-D11 battery pack, but the D7000 is so low-power you don't really need it -- it really will do 1,000 shots on a charge. One spare so you can charge one while using the other is probably more than enough.

I'm not a big fan of the "comes with" camera straps. Don't care for the advertising, and they're just uncomfortable. I use this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846 Quick-disconnect and it has a pocket that's perfect for the little remote.

Of course, there's the other stuff, too. A decent card reader for the computer, a good tripod, camera bag, etc. I've been using 8Gig Sandisk Extreme memory cards (20 or 30 MB/s - fast enough for HD movies) -- don't shoot much RAW or movies and 8 Gig almost seems too big.

If you want a really good book on the D7000 (User's manual done right!), get Thom Hogan's e-book here: http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000guide.htm The Nikon book explains WHAT. Thom explains WHY. 820 page PDF file with a bunch of other goodies.

Then, there's software... I've become a big fan of Adobe Lightroom over the last couple years. It handles most of my editing, but is also excellent for cataloging everything so you can find stuff easily. The latest version even interfaces to Blurb for making photo books and has a built-in mapping feature for off-line geotagging. For HDR, I use Photomatix Pro and just started looking at Zerene Stacker last weekend for focus stacking (that'll teach me for going to a George Lepp seminar).

Beyond all that, it's like ham radio. Just no end to the ways it can drain your wallet.

D7000 & 70-300 at max zoom:

Four Friends, Cancun Beach by tatanka01b, on Flickr

Well, received the D7000 a few days ago. I took your advice, and went with the 18-105 lens and I really like it. Picked up a couple of other lens, as well. Still have to order a few accessories yet, but will get to that soon, I hope. The used lens I got form KEH is like brand new. Thanks for turning me on to them. Now, I just need to take some time and RTFM and get familiar with some of the advanced features. I'm really looking forward to seeing how well the bracketing works for me with Photomatrix. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of remodeling the kitchen, and I have walls open, walls down, electrical & plumbing AFU, a hole in the roof for a bigger roof jack to accommodate the new hood venting (rain forecasted tonight), etc. etc. etc. Hope to have this project finished in a couple of weeks, at least most of it. If my wife helps, add a week. I'll tell you one thing, it was a lot easier when I built the place, than it is to reno and try to retrofit the new stuff.

When I get some time and good photo ops, I'll post a few pix if they turn out; if not I'll just lie about it.

Thanks again for your help and advice, Rob; and that from everyone else, too.

[kf0rt]

Well, received the D7000 a few days ago. I took your advice, and went with the 18-105 lens and I really like it. Picked up a couple of other lens, as well. Still have to order a few accessories yet, but will get to that soon, I hope. The used lens I got form KEH is like brand new. Thanks for turning me on to them. Now, I just need to take some time and RTFM and get familiar with some of the advanced features. I'm really looking forward to seeing how well the bracketing works for me with Photomatrix. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of remodeling the kitchen, and I have walls open, walls down, electrical & plumbing AFU, a hole in the roof for a bigger roof jack to accommodate the new hood venting (rain forecasted tonight), etc. etc. etc. Hope to have this project finished in a couple of weeks, at least most of it. If my wife helps, add a week. I'll tell you one thing, it was a lot easier when I built the place, than it is to reno and try to retrofit the new stuff.

When I get some time and good photo ops, I'll post a few pix if they turn out; if not I'll just lie about it.

Thanks again for your help and advice, Rob; and that from everyone else, too.

Cool deal, Eddie! What lenses did you get? (BTW, you can use the D7K to document your work on the homestead there and learn the camera at the same time -- the "hobbies" aren't mutually exclusive). :stickpoke:

Bit of a hint on the HDR stuff (or what I do). Set the camera up for bracketing and whatever exposure you prefer. I've got mine set for +/- 1.7 stops at ISO 250 in P mode. Save this to one of the user settings (U1 or U2). Then, when you want to shoot HDR, switch the top dial to the U setting you saved and change the shutter selector to Ch (high-speed auto). You're ready to go -- hold the shutter button down and the D7000 will fire off three shots (bracketed) as fast as it can, and it'll stop after the 3rd shot. Hand-held HDR; it works. Nikon did a good job of this, but it needs to be understood. Flipping to a U setting just loads parameters; you can still adjust after the fact.

I use the other U setting as a "reset." A good way to get this complex beast back to a known state.

Hope to have some good pics when we get back from vacation here. Haven't been shooting as much as I'd like (been downright LAZY), but might have some good shots. One more friggin beer, and I might as well stay up all night.

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