The Top Ten Violence Inducing Prescription Drugs.

[W1GUH]

Yes, but all those drugs are highly beneficial to the patent holders' profits. Doesn't really matter what it does to the people actually using them. It's good for the GDP, so deal with it!

[KG4CGC]

They do what they do. You should know that. What I'm seeing is not a considered discussion but a 1st year lab class argument that the prof already knows the outcome to.
You know, we could argue for a month of Sundays on what the book says vs what happens in the real world. Argument, is also a stimulant that triggers a positive or "rewarded response" in the brain.

[n2ize]

Yes, but all those drugs are highly beneficial to the patent holders' profits. Doesn't really matter what it does to the people actually using them. It's good for the GDP, so deal with it!

So, are you going to tell people with panic disorder who can now live functional lives that these drugs are of no benefoit and are just sold to make people rich and they should just go back to the old days when the only cure for their misery was some clueless doctor saying "just get over it" ? I have a good friend who suffered with severe panic disorder from when he was 16 years old well into his mid-late 30's or early 40's.. He couldn't travel anywhere, he couldn't ride a train, a bus, a plane, he couldn't drive or evan walk to many places, he even had to avoid talking about or thinking about certain topics for fear it would trigger a severe panic attack. And even when he did all these things he still got severe attacks which would leave him dysfunctional for days and severely depressed for weeks thereafter. His young and young adult life was literally hell on earth. .

Then one day a drug called Paxil came on the market and his doctors felt that it showed promise. So they prescribed it to him. It took a few weeks to reach full benefit butt now he can lead a relatively normal life. He can function, he can go places, do things and live like a human being. He is no longer living in a "hell on earth". yes, he still gets anxiety now and then but, when he does it is very mild and passes quickly.

Its easy for us to dismiss these drugs as useless ploys or placebos just to make rich people richer, especially when we know little about what went into their development and especially when we are feeling normal and are not suffering from anxiety or depression. But they do actually help people. Lots of people. people who once could not function and who were miserable every day who can now get through their days without having to endure constant misery.

[n2ize]

They do what they do. You should know that. What I'm seeing is not a considered discussion but a 1st year lab class argument that the prof already knows the outcome to.
You know, we could argue for a month of Sundays on what the book says vs what happens in the real world. Argument, is also a stimulant that triggers a positive or "rewarded response" in the brain.

Well, to have a meaningful productive discussion on this topic you first enroll in a University and get an advanced degree in Pharmaceutical Research or Medicine. then after years of hard study and research you get a position working in the field and you discuss it in depth with your colleagues. I have found that the 'real" discussions on topics happen when like minded people who are expert in the same profession get together to discuss a particular topic in which they are expert professional. Anything less is just unproductive drivel.

When i hear a group of professionals discussing what they are best qualified in it is music to my ears.

Think about it like this. Who would you rather hear discussing crime in Gotham City ? Experts like The Penguin, The Riddler, Catwoman,and The Joker or, a bunch of wannabee amateur punks ?

[KG4CGC]

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I guess you are qualified then? That's what I'm getting.
Say what you want, real world results and experiences from the real world people who have actually taken the drugs. Results trump what paid technicians put down on paper. The results the researchers are after look good on paper but are not repeatable enough in the real world to prove that a drug does what it's supposed to do, as it is marketed, 100% of the time.
This is what you wish everyone would ignore.
If it gives you another buzz hit, please keep it going. I honestly think that's what you're really after. You tend to feel a need to poop on everything that counters what you have read or been told. I've seen you do this hundreds of times now. I feel like I'm the token bait liberal on a FOX opinion show and am being used to promote some irrational agenda.

Done.

You can have the last word.

[W1GUH]

[QUOTE=n2ize;364801]So, are you going to tell people with panic disorder who can now live functional lives that these drugs are of no benefoit and are just sold to make people rich and they should just go back to the old days when the only cure for their misery was some clueless doctor saying "just get over it" ? I have a good friend who suffered with severe panic disorder from when he was 16 years old well into his mid-late 30's or early 40's.. He couldn't travel anywhere, he couldn't ride a train, a bus, a plane, he couldn't drive or evan walk to many places, he even had to avoid talking about or thinking about certain topics for fear it would trigger a severe panic attack. And even when he did all these things he still got severe attacks which would leave him dysfunctional for days and severely depressed for weeks thereafter. His young and young adult life was literally hell on earth. .

Then one day a drug called Paxil came on the market and his doctors felt that it showed promise. So they prescribed it to him. It took a few weeks to reach full benefit butt now he can lead a relatively normal life. He can function, he can go places, do things and live like a human being. He is no longer living in a "hell on earth". yes, he still gets anxiety now and then but, when he does it is very mild and passes quickly.

Its easy for us to dismiss these drugs as useless ploys or placebos just to make rich people richer, especially when we know little about what went into their development and especially when we are feeling normal and are not suffering from anxiety or depression. But they do actually help people. Lots of people. people who once could not function and who were miserable every day who can now get through their days without having to endure constant misery.[/QUOTE

Oh, hell no!!! EVERYBODY should take these drugs because it's good for the economy! That's all.

[n2ize]

So, are you going to tell people with panic disorder who can now live functional lives that these drugs are of no benefoit and are just sold to make people rich and they should just go back to the old days when the only cure for their misery was some clueless doctor saying "just get over it" ? I have a good friend who suffered with severe panic disorder from when he was 16 years old well into his mid-late 30's or early 40's.. He couldn't travel anywhere, he couldn't ride a train, a bus, a plane, he couldn't drive or evan walk to many places, he even had to avoid talking about or thinking about certain topics for fear it would trigger a severe panic attack. And even when he did all these things he still got severe attacks which would leave him dysfunctional for days and severely depressed for weeks thereafter. His young and young adult life was literally hell on earth. .

Then one day a drug called Paxil came on the market and his doctors felt that it showed promise. So they prescribed it to him. It took a few weeks to reach full benefit butt now he can lead a relatively normal life. He can function, he can go places, do things and live like a human being. He is no longer living in a "hell on earth". yes, he still gets anxiety now and then but, when he does it is very mild and passes quickly.

Its easy for us to dismiss these drugs as useless ploys or placebos just to make rich people richer, especially when we know little about what went into their development and especially when we are feeling normal and are not suffering from anxiety or depression. But they do actually help people. Lots of people. people who once could not function and who were miserable every day who can now get through their days without having to endure constant misery.

Oh, hell no!!! EVERYBODY should take these drugs because it's good for the economy! That's all.

I don't get your point ? Why should everybody take them ? I don't take them. Most people I know don't take them. I only know one person who takes them and that was the person i described.. Just because they were developed by a corporation does that make them bad ? Would it be better if we didn't develop drugs and just let people suffer ? Or are you saying everyone should take them regardless of whether we need them or not.

Maybe I am going crazy or I just don't understand. is there a middle ground of reason anymore or is everything a black and white roller coaster going from dark to light and light to dark ? Maybe its the heat. Hopefully cooler weather will get here soon.

[n2ize]

Non sequitur ............. ↑
I guess you are qualified then? That's what I'm getting.
Say what you want, real world results and experiences from the real world people who have actually taken the drugs. Results trump what paid technicians put down on paper. The results the researchers are after look good on paper but are not repeatable enough in the real world to prove that a drug does what it's supposed to do, as it is marketed, 100% of the time.
This is what you wish everyone would ignore.
If it gives you another buzz hit, please keep it going. I honestly think that's what you're really after. You tend to feel a need to poop on everything that counters what you have read or been told. I've seen you do this hundreds of times now. I feel like I'm the token bait liberal on a FOX opinion show and am being used to promote some irrational agenda.

Done.

You can have the last word.

What I guess I am trying to say is that a drug is either a serotonin re-uptake inhibitor or it isn't. And only science can tell us that. for certain. I thought you might have known some scientific literature that might explain that. I figured maybe it would be interesting. But it doesn't matter, its not all that important anyway.

As far as the rest goes, people are generally subjective and will believe what they want to as opposed to what really is. I see it happen al the time, from the right, left, and center. That is why I generally turn to science, logic, research, and people with expertise before I draw conclusions. I may have a hunch or feel a certain way about something and I might be right but I can't know for sure or conclude I am until I have viable data.

I feel like I am on a FOX show too when I am told I am short sighted, or stupid, because I expect tangible evidence before I accept something as probable fact. i