Bedbugs!!!!

[W1GUH]

It's not so much the toxicity to humans that was the problem. It was the environment impact of such widespread usage. Almost causing the extinction of our nation's national bird, among other species.

Which brings up the difficult question....

Where do we stop pampering lesser species before it totally messes up our lives?

[n2ize]

Which brings up the difficult question....

Where do we stop pampering lesser species before it totally messes up our lives?

There has to be a "get tough" point somewhere. Unfortunately the radical environmentalism of the 60's and 70's left us in such a pansy state that we no longer kick ass anymore. All the good chemicals are gone. The bugs attack us and we tolerate it. It's time that we, as a nation, start growing a pair and start kicking butt once again. We need to kick ass. Back in the 1950's people knew how to kick butt. Farmers.. industry leaders, homeowners, housewives, and even little kids wouldn't hesitate to splatter the varmints with enough DDT to get the job done and squash the little buggers. They knew how to get tough. These day's we've set the "get tough" bar so high that it's unreachable. Time to stop being pansies and start acting like MEN!

[W1GUH]

There has to be a "get tough" point somewhere. Unfortunately the radical environmentalism of the 60's and 70's left us in such a pansy state that we no longer kick ass anymore. All the good chemicals are gone. The bugs attack us and we tolerate it. It's time that we, as a nation, start growing a pair and start kicking butt once again. We need to kick ass. Back in the 1950's people knew how to kick butt. Farmers.. industry leaders, homeowners, housewives, and even little kids wouldn't hesitate to splatter the varmints with enough DDT to get the job done and squash the little buggers. They knew how to get tough. These day's we've set the "get tough" bar so high that it's unreachable. Time to stop being pansies and start acting like MEN!

I don't know about you John, but I can't say for sure whether or not I was being sarcastic. It's true that we DO have to worry about the environment, but there are times when ya gotta wonder when too much is too much. IMHO, with this crisis, it'd be reasonable to bring back DDT on an ad hoc basis to deal with it. Presumably, in the right hands and in limited situation (e.g. bedbug infestations) there'd be minimal environmental impact.

[KC2UGV]

Which brings up the difficult question....

Where do we stop pampering lesser species before it totally messes up our lives?

I'm not really sure what your definition of "lesser species" is. All species exists as parts of the entire whole. It's impossible to damage another species' survival without impacting our own.

I don't know about you John, but I can't say for sure whether or not I was being sarcastic. It's true that we DO have to worry about the environment, but there are times when ya gotta wonder when too much is too much. IMHO, with this crisis, it'd be reasonable to bring back DDT on an ad hoc basis to deal with it. Presumably, in the right hands and in limited situation (e.g. bedbug infestations) there'd be minimal environmental impact.

And with this I agree. DDT in the hands of licensed exterminators = Good thing. DDT in the hands of every swinging dick = Bad thing.

[n2ize]

I'm not really sure what your definition of "lesser species" is. All species exists as parts of the entire whole. It's impossible to damage another species' survival without impacting our own.



And with this I agree. DDT in the hands of licensed exterminators = Good thing. DDT in the hands of every swinging dick = Bad thing.

The only bad thing is if we allow DDT to be used the way they did years ago where they used it to excess. Farmers were spraying it right and left and it was ending up in streams, rivers, lakes. Home owners using it to keep the moths off their clothes or to keep the roaches at bay weren't hurting the lakes. Legalize it for everybody but restrict it's widespread use in places where it can easily end up in the water.

[KC2UGV]

The only bad thing is if we allow DDT to be used the way they did years ago where they used it to excess. Farmers were spraying it right and left and it was ending up in streams, rivers, lakes. Home owners using it to keep the moths off their clothes or to keep the roaches at bay weren't hurting the lakes. Legalize it for everybody but restrict it's widespread use in places where it can easily end up in the water.

What do you think happens when clothing treated with DDT get laundered?

[w3bny]

What do you think happens when clothing treated with DDT get laundered?

They get clean and smell april fresh?

[n2ize]

I don't know about you John, but I can't say for sure whether or not I was being sarcastic. It's true that we DO have to worry about the environment, but there are times when ya gotta wonder when too much is too much. IMHO, with this crisis, it'd be reasonable to bring back DDT on an ad hoc basis to deal with it. Presumably, in the right hands and in limited situation (e.g. bedbug infestations) there'd be minimal environmental impact.

I agree. We've become wimps in the sense that we are so petrified to do anything that someone might say is "environmentally incorrect". We have become pansies in that we are afraid to just say, "we need the damned DDT and we're gonna use it, like it or not". In the old days people weren't afraid like we are today. They were tough, we're the pansies.