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Wrong. Never said that.
Please pay attention to the main point. Prozac contains a molecular make up of one or more substances that are analogous to cocaine and heroin.
No pharmaceutical company in their right might mind would ever admit to any similarities.
In organic chemistry many drugs and compounds have structural similarities between each other. There are various benzine rings in different configurations, methyl groups, acetyl groups. matter of fact many drugs belon to the same classes of compounds, i.e. esters, alcohols, etc. However, just because similar structures exists within different molecules does not mean they act the same way when places in the blood stream or when they cross the blood brain barrier. Minor changes can radically alter the manner in which a given druigs reacts.
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There is no scientific study to say so. See above. You must break the capsule open yourself and subject it to your own personal testing. The effects of a speedball are not as profound but are a speedball none the less.
Again "speedball" is a slang term. A "speedball" effect is a combined effect. You get a stimulating jag from the stimulant drug in the speedball and you get the smoothed out mellowness of the depressant. it's actually a pretty cool high, i used to dig it years ago. it is also dangerous because the cocaine constricts your blood vessels requiring increased heart output but the depressant is slowing the heart making the chances of a heart attack more likely. However, just because some people may seem to get a "speedball" effect when they use Prozac in certain ways.
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Now you're just getting personal. You want to argue the point as if we were in a courtroom but I'm saying that the side effects brought on by Prozac are part of its molecular analogous nature to two popular illegal drugs and again, no big pharma company will ever admit that.
They don't have to admit it. Any organic chemistry student can look up the formulas and structural models for prozac, heroin and cocaine and they will see that there are various common organic components present in each of these drugs. At the same time the student will also see that these common organic structures are arranged quite differently in each of the three drugsnand will realize they probably exert different effects. Cocaine and heroin both have benzine rings yet one is a stimulant and one a depressant Morphine for example has -OH radicals attached and so does alcohol. Yet they work differently.
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Most of these SSRIs over do what they are supposed to do. Basically, drug companies are just guessing and trying to see what works best. The other side effects of raised blood pressure and other heart conditions should start to raise a few questions about CNS stimulation.
All drugs have varying side effects. Just because a drug may cause CNS stimulation does not automatically make it like cocaine. Certain antibiotics can give false positives for opiates. But that doesn't mean there is opium in them. NSAID's can increase blood pressure a d cause anxieties. But that doesn't mean they are speed. Allergy medicines can cause sleepiness but that doesn't mean they work like morphine in the brain.
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Pristiq is another one with dual effects.
Norepinephrine is a known chemical in the brain that gets excited by people who ingest speed and or coke. This is a drug that was developed with former stimulant abusers in mind but, it doesn't really correct the chemical transfer in the synapses to a pre-abuse time in the person taking the drug, Pristiq. Targeting serotonin and other such related brain chemicals will soon fall out of favor, but not until the drug companies have exploited this path for as long as possible. Afterall, we're talking 1980's science that has since been proven to be ineffective for most people seeking relief from some sort of ill feelings. Yes, it works for a few people but like other drugs in the past, they are being over prescribed.
Actually many of these compounds have been proved very effective. Many people with depression and severe panic disorders can now live normal lives because of these drugs. Where they were once confined to the home and living in constant fear of an attack they can now hold jobs, go out with friends, and live normal lives. The same holds true for many antipsychotic medicines. True they may have unpleasant side effects but many people taking them can live relatively normal lives where as at one time they would have been confined to a sanitarium in a vegitative state does up on Haldol or Thorazine.
Pharmaceutical research is an ongoing developmental process involving various disciplines such as biological-psychology (understanding the bio-chemical nature of brain functions and disorders),and many other specialties. As the research evolves there is no doubt that new drugs may be developed, perhaps improved versions of SSRI's or maybe entirely hew drugs that work on different parts of the brain with fewer side effects.
In any event it;s an ongoing process. It's not just a haphazard, guesswork and "shot in the dark" process. It is a gradual and painstaking evolutionary type of research that involves countess hours of research, experimentation, more research, experimentation, testing, etc.
As a person who worked in the Pharmaceuticaal industry I can tell you. Although I wasn't a drugmaker I did learn that a heck of a lot of intense and dedicated research and hard work and intensive testing goes into every pill that ends up dispensed at the pharmacy. it is by no means a crapshoot. There is a heck of a lot of expertise behind the scenes.
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Balancing the way your blood handles oxygen and the oxygen levels in your brain will prove more fruitful in treating common ''depression'' in the future but until then, they drug companies will stay on the lucrative road they're on.
Perhaps this will be true. Time will tell.
