Interesting Petition Concerning Emcomm Being Filed with FCC

[WX7P]

Hi Billy!

On to Encomm now, eh? Sure can land a lot of fish in your boat, the good ship H&D with that one.

I moved to Sac. Let's get on 75!

[W6WBJ]

KC2UGV wrote: "But, you did read what you wrote: Amateur stations are ok to handle emergency traffic, which means one of the purposes of AR is Emergency Communications.
Just like I said in my first post."

Wow, you mean that if you set up a straw man you can then knock it down? What a novel concept!

Nobody ever said amateurs can't handle emergency traffic. The issue is whether they can do it for their employer while being remunerated for it.

[KC2UGV]

KC2UGV wrote: "But, you did read what you wrote: Amateur stations are ok to handle emergency traffic, which means one of the purposes of AR is Emergency Communications.
Just like I said in my first post."

Wow, you mean that if you set up a straw man you can then knock it down? What a novel concept!

Nobody ever said amateurs can't handle emergency traffic. The issue is whether they can do it for their employer while being remunerated for it.

So, why in reply to my first post, you replied saying emergency communications were not a purpose of amateur radio?

[W6WBJ]

KC2UGV wrote: "So, why in reply to my first post, you replied saying emergency communications were not a purpose of amateur radio?"

Because there is a difference between a given activity being one of the primary purposes of amateur radio (which Emcomm is not) versus the activity simply being permissible (which Emcomm is).

For example, would you say that contesting or working DX was one of the primary purposes of amateur radio? No, because Part 97 does not say that they are. But they are permissible activities within the amateur radio service.

[KC2UGV]

KC2UGV wrote: "So, why in reply to my first post, you replied saying emergency communications were not a purpose of amateur radio?"

Because there is a difference between a given activity being one of the primary purposes of amateur radio (which Emcomm is not) versus the activity simply being permissible (which Emcomm is).

For example, would you say that contesting or working DX was one of the primary purposes of amateur radio? No, because Part 97 does not say that they are. But they are permissible activities within the amateur radio service.

Actually, it does:

"To foster international goodwill".

Sounds like DX to me.

[W3WN]

W3WN, I would be more than happy to discuss my differences with Riley "Bullshit" Hollingsworth with him directly at any venue where my travel and lodging costs would be reasonable. For example, I promise that if he ever comes to Pacificon again, I will get in his f'ing face and tell him how I really feel! (I live in Northern California.)

"Riley Hollingsworth ...HAS been involved in several activities within the Atlantic Division, and works closely on issues with Division Director Bill Edgar N3LLR. (I have that direct from Bill, so if you don't believe me, ask him)."

Sorry, I've heard the League sing Riley's "hallelujah chorus" a few times too often. The League has very little credibility with me when it comes to Riley Hollingsworth (very little credibility on any subject, for that matter, except that they will credibly, always and forever use every available tactic, trick and device to scare up new members. After all, it was the League that wanted Riley appointed "SCARE" in the first place, and look what a disaster he made of the position (just as he had failed in his previous assignments with the Commission). But I will write to N3LLR and ask him what Riley has done as Assistant Division Director. I'll bet you a nickle that whatever he's done, it's just more of his well-known pattern of (figurative) masturbation. I think you should be concerned, however, with why he totally bailed on writing any columns for QRZ.COM.

I'm telling you, the guy's a frigging flake. And I've seen better heads on boils.

I see.

I have no desire to have this thread go off on a Riley rant, so I'll make this quick and then shut up.

I think it's fair to say that we strongly disagree on this matter. I've personally dealt with Riley twice during his career, and I found him to be tough, fair, and professional.

As far as what Bill told me, I'd prefer you got it direct since I don't recall his exact wording and don't wish to mis-state something and further inflame the issue. I do know he (Riley) was very involved behind-the scenes in some of the webinars that Bill had put on (at his own out-of-pocket expense, not the League's) for the Atlantic Division, and I know from my lawyer that Riley has been involved in some other things. You should get the information direct, not second hand, though, as I didn't exactly take notes.

But consider: People used to complain that Riley was too public. Now that he's working in the background, the complaint is that he's not visible enough?

As to what happened with QRZ, maybe you should be asking Fred. For all we know, Riley wrote a column or two and had them rejected out of hand... or other things. I don't know, and I'd rather not guess.

And, in the immortal words of Forrest Gump,

And that's all I have to say about that.

[kb2vxa]

KB2VXA wrote: "Neither of the two petitioners seem [sic] to realize their arguments are already covered by the rules as written so their points are entirely moot. So what's all the hubbub, bub?"

"There's only one petitioner: WB6BNQ. And you fail to appreciate the issue being raised."
Have you forgotten the first who petitioned pro emcomm and started this whole mess? I haven't, that's why I "appreciate" the ENTIRE issue and not the sequel alone. Pardon my sarcasm in quotes, frankly I don't appreciate ANY of it meaning the whole mess belongs in the round file cabinet.

[N7YA]

N7YA wrote: "Wheres [sic] Riley Hollingsworth when we need him most! [sic]

Yeah, the guy is missing in inaction! Have you heard of ANYTHING that he has done as Assistant Regional Director for the ARRL's NorthEast region? I sure haven't!

And almost a year ago, "Nazi" Fred Lloyd of QRZ.COM claimed that Riley was going to become a guest columnist on QRZ.COM, but he hasn't written anything yet!

I think that Riley is so embarrassed about what a fool he made of himself within the amateur community that he is avoiding amateur radio like the plague. And good riddance! The guy did more damage to the amateur radio service than anyone else has ever done.

I dont know. First off, i never really paid attention to him as he was powerless to stop psychosis from happening in lonely old mens heads who have gear. As for enforcement, he seemed to be the only guy who gave a shit and he was alone on it. Ham radio is dead to the world, and to us, we just do what we can to have fun with it anymore.

And ill have to disagree, i think the most damage inflicted on ham radio are hams themselves. But I will agree, Fred turned into a total web nazi.