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    Being bored, result vertical 1.6 to 30 MHz

    I know, the Island is addictive

    I'm running an OCF (Fritzel FD- 4) with coil and 30 feet of extra wire from 160 to 10 meters.
    For 15/12/10 an rebuild old Imax 2000 vertical on the roof.

    But, since my activities on 160 picked up in the winters, and my abstention from the Zed offered hours to fill, the weather was sunny and fine, i decided it was time for something new.

    A real vertical for 160 was out of the question, the lot i live on is just 100 x 25 feet...

    Sitting here, frustrated, was of no help, so back to the idea books, ARRL RSGB antenna books, and Karl Rothammel.

    Using my H.T in the workroom, ( transceivers are at ground level in the living room) to keep contact on the local repeaters my eye fell on the nifty rubber ducky......

    A 10 watt bulb went on ( i,m a known dimwit) and an idea was born.

    In the last years i "planted" lotsa copper wire in the garden in the front and back of the house, added a star configuration of 5 copper rods 10 feet long for the earth for the station, a 6 feet long wire connects that to my ground rail on wich the components, transceivers tuner, SB-1000 etc are grounded, and the earth for the house is also connected to that.

    In the DIY store i got a PVC rainwater pipe, 1 3/4 inch in size, 20 feet long.
    In the shed was a piece of surplus wood, 8 feet long, wich fitted nicely in that PVC pipe.

    Add 50 meters, or 170 feet of copper wire, wich was wound on the pole, spaced about 1 inch apart.

    I had 3 ring cores here, 4C65 iron core, Mu 125.
    Use super glue, stack them, and make a 1:9 balun out of it.

    Add together, we have a vertical that works from 160 up to 10 meters, and maybe more.
    SWR is quite low, the tuner had no problem making a match ( MFJ 993-B)

    To test if i didn't make a dummy load, i tested it with the gang on 160 meters, comparing it with the FD-4 at 45 feet above ground ( young sea clay)

    Result, 8 dB less signal as the FD-4, receive was reciproke.

    The vertical had LOTS less static/noise in reception, where i could not hear the other station with the OCF, the vertical pulled them in no problem, 1 to 3 S points less stronger as the OCF but with much less static and noise.
    Making it possible to hear a station on the vertical, that was completely covered in the noise on the OCF.

    This was the case on 160/80/40.
    Even on 20 the noise was less, but here the OCF remained top antenna for reception, being 1/2 wave above ground here.

    Worked a few countries on several bands, running 100 to 500 Watts into that vertical.
    The balun went up 5 to 10 degrees Celsius with 500 watt input depending on the band/SWR. nothing to be worried about.

    Results, sometimes almost same S points in the reports back, sometimes 1 to 2 S points less, depending on the antenna/polarization of the other station.
    This is just preliminary, further tests over a longer time are needed.
    The balun is connected to the ground system at the feed point, the ferrite clamps were left over and used "just in case"

    Cost:
    8 Euro, PVC drainpipe.
    15 Euro for the 3 4C65 iron core ferrite ring cores.
    A grab in the junk box.

    Result:
    working antenna
    Tons of fun.
    Lotsa surprised peeps that though " it won't work" but it does....
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    Since the weather was good the last weeks i have spend some considerable time with my 50 foot mast on which the helical 160 meter antenna was made.

    I took the helical down, went to an inverted V antenna, 1/4 wave 50 foot vertical, the rest sideways to the streetlantern at 21 feet high.
    Then i made the inverted L 3/8 and used a sturdy variable C to tune it back to the 1850 KHz we normally operate.
    The radial field stayed the same, now 1400 feet of wire in the ground, and several earth points 10+ feet deep copper stakes.

    The results were all down from the helically fed T antenna...

    So, down the mast went today, the old helical coil was put back on, and the top capacity is 2 x 6 meters ( 20 feet) of copper wire with insulation.
    Sloping down from 50 feet at the top, back to about 35 feet above ground, something like the umbrella antenna.

    Results, 2 dB gain more as the inverted L antenna which was maximised in it's working.
    Running the SB-1000 from Heathkit, the 1000 watts didn't let the televisions, or other consumer electronics budge, no interference whatso ever.

    Worked in daytime some stations including my friends which i use for comparison of the antenna's and all confirmed the helical was minimum 2 dB up.

    The analizer did show some good results.
    Rs 50 Xs 10 Swr 1.4, from 1810 Swr 2.0, 1891 again 2.0.
    Will take some more pictures.
    Next: Magnetic loop antenna 12 feet from copperpipe octagonal for 160....

    Will keep you informed of my d*cking around...;)
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    I have two 3.5" by 48" heavy shipping tubes that are just SCREAMING to be coil forms. I'm thinking remote tuner, and maybe switchable taps as well.

    Your experiment makes we want to go that route, instead of the HF2V that was practically given to me for under $50.

    Lot here is 60 x 100, long axis runs E-W :( But I can use my neighbors trees... she gave me permission.

    She's not there anymore, bad interior fire, not enough insurance... abandoned house now.
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    You have more space as me ..... my plot is 100 feet by 25 feet, that's all...
    The helical is a oneband antenna, just now in qso with G7KLJ, he runs only 30 watts and the helical puts in a 3 dB better signal as the inverted L.

    I use the streetlantern in the front yard to string a few lines to ;)
    Will make a few pictures to show the setup.
    Your idea sounds good, though i don't like coils in antenna's to lengthen them, too lossy, even top loading coils, i'd rather use tophats or top wires to load up the antenna's.

    take care,
    Cor
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    Yea, I need to put up a big "T Marconi" and see how low it loads up. And get better with EZNEC.

    If the lot was rotated 90 degrees, I'd try a reversible wire Moxon on 75/80.
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    got piccie:
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    telling the truth about them." - Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)
    “I’m not liberal/conservative, I’m anti-idiotarian.”
    At some point in the last 20 years, the left moved to the center, and the right moved into a mental institution

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    So, what kind of roof mulch do you use to grow metal RF flowers like that?

    BTW, your signature line is elitist. ;)
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    ;)
    The large vertical in the piccie in the middle starts at the groundlevel, 50 feet up, you can't see the 2 top hat wires clearly but they are there.

    Doing some calculations and the efficiency of the vertical is 78% more or less compared to a full size vertical for 160 meters.
    You caan make out the 5 element 6 meter beam, the 11 element 2 meter flexa yagi and the 23 element flexa 70 cm yagi.
    The Diamond x 510 is above that.
    On the left is the reworked Imax 2000 with 5 meter radials i was given, it now works fine on 10/12/15/17 as vertical.
    The OCF ( Fritzel FD-4) with coil and wire for 160 is barely visible.
    Time for a radio day, then back to the working table for a magloop for 160.

    Who said you can't make a reasonable antenna for 160 meters on a small plot?

    :chin::)
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    Great work Cor....You now have to work me between November and March next year....Looking forward to the S9+++ signal report on Topband...

    Bob..VK3ZL..

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    Excellent job, Cor. Any antenna is better than none; that it compares favorably to a full-size radiator is the proverbial icing on the cake.
    73 de Mike, N5RLR

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