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    WinMor?

    ARRL earlier posted a news item about a new WinLink 2000 - related protocol called WinMor.

    While details are sketchy, it alleges that it
    (a) doesn't require proprietary hardware, just a sound card,
    (b) it rivals PACTOR I & III, and
    (c) uses less bandwith than PACTOR to accomplish the same things.

    Anyone know anything about it?

    Link is at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/08/26/10284/?nc=1

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    Re: WinMor?

    Quote Originally Posted by W3WN
    ARRL earlier posted a news item about a new WinLink 2000 - related protocol called WinMor.

    While details are sketchy, it alleges that it
    (a) doesn't require proprietary hardware, just a sound card,
    (b) it rivals PACTOR I & III, and
    (c) uses less bandwith than PACTOR to accomplish the same things.

    Anyone know anything about it?

    Link is at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/08/26/10284/?nc=1

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    This begs the question,

    "Does the software support the use of busy-channel detection"?
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    Re: WinMor?

    Quote Originally Posted by N8YX
    Quote Originally Posted by W3WN
    ARRL earlier posted a news item about a new WinLink 2000 - related protocol called WinMor.

    While details are sketchy, it alleges that it
    (a) doesn't require proprietary hardware, just a sound card,
    (b) it rivals PACTOR I & III, and
    (c) uses less bandwith than PACTOR to accomplish the same things.

    Anyone know anything about it?

    Link is at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/08/26/10284/?nc=1

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    This begs the question,

    "Does the software support the use of busy-channel detection"?
    And if so, is the user able to disable it? I recall WL2K having this but it being disabled, and people being encouraged to do so. Having it there is one thing, having it required is another.
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    Re: WinMor?

    Quote Originally Posted by kd6nig
    Quote Originally Posted by N8YX
    This begs the question,

    "Does the software support the use of busy-channel detection"?
    And if so, is the user able to disable it? I recall WL2K having this but it being disabled, and people being encouraged to do so. Having it there is one thing, having it required is another.
    There are no details, so I have no answer -- frankly, that's why I asked.

    I would hope that it does, and if it does, I would hope that it's use in encouraged, not discouraged!

    But before jumping to any conclusions, let's find out for sure?
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    Re: WinMor?

    Winmor, I have never even used winlink!

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    Re: WinMor?

    Why do I have a feeling the release will include the inference that by using this, hams can once again save the world?

    You watch though, it will sell-but if its not from the original Winlink makers, they will probably be mad that its cutting in on their "wannabe savior" sales.
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    Re: WinMor?

    An old familiar tale.
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    Re: WinMor?

    Am I the only one seeing this as making the problem worse?

    Now there is virtually ZERO cost barrier for BoatLinkers to clog up the ham bands with their WinLid garbage.

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    Re: WinMor?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2RJ
    Am I the only one seeing this as making the problem worse?

    Now there is virtually ZERO cost barrier for BoatLinkers to clog up the ham bands with their WinLid garbage.
    OTOH, it also opens the mode up to the rest of us (should we so desire to use it) because we also don't have the cost barrier of purchasing a PACTOR III modem.

    This is not to say that the misuse of the Amateur bands in general, and the WinLink protocols in particular, by boaters isn't a serious problem. It is, and it needs to be addressed and solved. I just hate to see a mode with such potential be tarred because certain users are misusing it, and certain alleged amateurs promoting this misuse for their own purposes continue to get away with it.
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    Re: WinMor?

    At least if its an open protocol, you'll be able to see who just stepped on you, and possibly read their mail.

    If its not encrypted somehow (another question that remains to fall on the deaf ears of the FCC, btw) it probably won't be received well at all.

    Boaters won't want people reading their email, though packet users have tolerated it for years. That, in my opinion, is what really places it in the bad column-not only do they stomp you, you cannot tell if what they are sending is within Ham Radio rules.

    If its an open readable protocol it won't cause any change. The one thing that really attracts people to Winlink is the privacy aspect. If it wasn't like that, they would pay for SailMail. People are quite picky when it comes to email.
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