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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    A lot of Youtubers went to a Harley factory event out West to test ride and review the new Sportster. They all agreed that it's a great bike. Handles well, has more power and uses modern parts and more modern manufacturing resulting in a more dependable, better riding, better feeling bike as well as modernized retro classic looks. Not bad pricing either considering I'd expect a new Harley, with all new factory assemble to run into the upper teens in thousands of dollars but the most basic base model starts out at around $9500. The Sportster S will be available in fall 2021 with a starting price of $15,000 and includes the 1250T engine.

    Better than I could do, read more here: https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/202...14-fast-facts/
    Harley has a very bad habit of killing off product lines that actually get out of their own way and can stop and handle competently.

    The first (but certainly not the last) example was the FXRS line - specifically, the FXRS-SP.

    Then this:

    harleydavidson-vrsca-vrod-2005-4.jpg

    I've ridden the VRSCA in twisties, at speed...and they're leagues above ANYTHING the Motor Company produced in that niche. The new Sportster apparently borrows a lot from the V-Rod ancestry but seriously needs to lose the forward controls. If they're marketing this model to the younger hooligan crowd, they went wide of the mark by a country mile.
    "Everyone wants to be an AM Gangsta until it's time to start doing AM Gangsta shit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8YX View Post
    Harley has a very bad habit of killing off product lines that actually get out of their own way and can stop and handle competently.
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    The new Sportster apparently borrows a lot from the V-Rod ancestry but seriously needs to lose the forward controls. If they're marketing this model to the younger hooligan crowd, they went wide of the mark by a country mile.
    Mid controls on the new Sportster is a $700 option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WZ7U View Post
    Nary a ham op badge to be seen.
    I know, right? And we're smack dab in ham country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8YX View Post
    Harley has a very bad habit of killing off product lines that actually get out of their own way and can stop and handle competently.

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    That's because their so called loyal customers (some anyway) complain that those are not real Harleys. They cry so loud that the company backs out of production.
    The bike you have pictured, I know a few guys that love them. They say, and I quote, "Harley finally built a real bike."

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    In case anyone hasn't been able to identify the pic above from a single shot, that's a 70's Yamaha RD 350, from Canada!

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    A 70's watercooled Yamaha? Didn't know such a thing existed.

    Like that post was...
    Moving on, my posts are not helpful

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_TZ_350
    The TZ and LC 350 engines are a nut for bolt mounting location swap
    I could bore you to tears with details :- )


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    Last edited by kop; 12-15-2021 at 10:56 PM.

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    Okay , I'll jump in Chuck

    It's a xs650 limited by it's combustion chamber and center crank pin .
    The best thing about the over bore was gaining room for quench area and even at that some careful welding to fill in some obvious voids in the chamber .
    Some facts .
    Alcohol has approximately half the BTU's by volume than that of good gas (not pump)
    Alcohol has a greater latent heat of evaporation
    Alcohol has a stoichiometric mix 6.5:1 as opposed to 14.7 for gasoline .
    Most CV diaphragms and rubber parts as well as the carb bodies won't put up with straight alcohol.Even intake port erosion can be a problem .
    The combustion chamber is steel on top and sides while the piston top is aluminum .
    Alcohol burns much slower and it's behavior near relatively cool combustion surfaces is way different than gasoline .
    So ...
    toss the BS36-38's
    Drop a significant sum on carbs and jets from Sudco (real good people)
    Use an old Axtel mag or equivalent
    Be prepared to get it wrong a bunch of times possibly torching a piston or two and get used to tearing into it on a weekly basis .
    Fixed advance as much as 40 degrees
    Jets you can see big screen TV through
    Pistons running so close to the deck that at temperatures below 40 degrees the engine has to be heated just to provide enough deck clearance so it will turn over .
    Over advancing the timing without enough fuel and "banging" the tune up and having the rod bearings "peen" the crank .
    Having to carefully start the bike on gasoline then switch to alcohol .
    Freezing the carbs in high humidity .
    Having to nearly redesign the clutch or just spend the bucks at Heiden tuning . Might as well change the primary ratio while you're at it .
    Adapt XV 700-750 valves , Buy Manley stainless valves or keep an eye out for the titanium valve guy on fleabay .
    Hoos racing for the exhaust . They just get it .
    Fishead brakes .
    A stack of rear tires ,
    And on ...
    About 75 miles on a tank which drops drastically if you wrist it .
    About 78 hp and nearly as much torque in one of the most sensitive to state of tune compilations I've ever owned .
    I couldn't keep the thing together as a 360 degree crank . I had to twist the crank and cam . Crank is 277 degrees , You do the math for the cam I'm tired .
    This was an outgrowth of the 70's Yamaha ,Shell Thuet , race program with the same caveat as then . Even with the odd crank (the object was to have one piston at or near max acceleration while the other was at minimum ) The center crank pin and it's fit to the counter weights becomes a loose pin in a hand grenade waiting for a place to happen at power levels over 80 hp . Shock load it a lower levels and see the same result .

    Was it smart ? No,
    Was it fun ? Not really the engine development was a drain on my time and resources .
    Was it difficult ? Not really , it's just nutz and boltz .
    How close was I at first get ? Left field ( more like Landsdown Street . If you savvy baseball if not nevermind )
    Was it worth it ? heh heh heh . Well ok some days yes . Other days it's wtf was I thinking
    .
    So here we go again ....

    more here https://xs650temp.proboards.com/thread/17134/red-bike

    If it gets any attention I'll keep going

    AF7XT

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