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    Thumbs down FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees

    Courtesy of the ARRL: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-propose...o-service-fees

    Newington, CT, August 28th, 2020 – Amateur radio licensees would pay a $50 fee for each amateur radio license application if the FCC adopts rules it proposed this week. Included in the FCC’s fee proposal are applications for new licenses, renewal and upgrades to existing licenses, and vanity call sign requests. Excluded are applications for administrative updates, such as changes of address, and annual regulatory fees.

    The FCC proposal is contained in a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in MD Docket 20-270, which was adopted to implement portions of the “Repack Airwaves Yielding Better Access for Users of Modern Services Act” of 2018 — the so-called “Ray Baum’s Act.”

    The Act requires that the FCC switch from a Congressionally-mandated fee structure to a cost-based system of assessment. In its NPRM, the FCC proposed application fees for a broad range of services that use the FCC’s Universal Licensing System (ULS), including the Amateur Radio Service that had been excluded by an earlier statute. The new statute excludes the Amateur Service from annual regulatory fees, but not from application fees.

    “[A]pplications for personal licenses are mostly automated and do not have individualized staff costs for data input or review,” the FCC said in its NPRM. “For these automated processes — new/major modifications, renewal, and minor modifications — we propose a nominal application fee of $50 due to automating the processes, routine ULS maintenance, and limited instances where staff input is required.”

    The same $50 fee would apply to all Amateur Service applications, including those for vanity call signs. “Although there is currently no fee for vanity call signs in the Amateur Radio Service, we find that such applications impose similar costs in aggregate on Commission resources as new applications and therefore propose a $50 fee,” the FCC said.

    The FCC is not proposing to charge for administrative updates, such as mailing address changes for amateur applications, and amateur radio will remain exempt from annual regulatory fees. “For administrative updates [and] modifications, which also are highly automated, we find that it is in the public interest to encourage licensees to update their [own] information without a charge,” the FCC said.

    The FCC also proposes to assess a $50 fee for individuals who want a printed copy of their license. “The Commission has proposed to eliminate these services — but to the extent the Commission does not do so, we propose a fee of $50 to cover the costs of these services,” the FCC said.

    The Ray Baum’s Act does not exempt filing fees in the Amateur Radio Service. The FCC dropped assessment of fees for vanity call signs several years ago.

    Deadlines for comments and reply comments will be determined once the NPRM appears in the Federal Register. File comments by using the FCC’s Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS), posting to MD Docket No. 20-270. This docket is already open for accepting comments even though deadlines have not yet been set.
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    lol. some asshat on facebook is all "we do so much public service that we should bill the FCC for our time." no doubt this dumbass begs for "first responder" discounts at denny's ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by n6hcm View Post
    lol. some asshat on facebook is all "we do so much public service that we should bill the FCC for our time." no doubt this dumbass begs for "first responder" discounts at denny's ...
    Does he enter the Denny's wearing his yellow vest? Probably has an amateur radio badge with his callsign and some fake title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    Does he enter the Denny's wearing his yellow vest? Probably has an amateur radio badge with his callsign and some fake title.
    Probably has REACT hat and more than 3 radios and scanners n his utility belt!

    If $50 is too much for some amateurs then they should quit.

    Heck I can buy 3 bofengs for $50!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K4PIH View Post
    Probably has REACT hat and more than 3 radios and scanners n his utility belt!

    If $50 is too much for some amateurs then they should quit.

    Heck I can buy 3 bofengs for $50!
    Again, it's not the fee that's the issue.

    It's the pretense that it currently costs the FCC $50 to process an Amateur Radio license. AND the pretense that it currently costs the FCC an additional $50 to print and mail a paper license.

    In other words, under the guise of covering reasonable fees -- and I have no problem with reasonable fees -- the bureaucrats and politicians behind this are insulting us by thinking that we can't do simple math.

    I doubt that the actual cost to the FCC to process an application or renewal comes to more than $5. Consider that most of the work is already done by the VEC's who actually submit the electronic information; or the Amateur who processes his renewal via the ULS him/herself. How long does it take the FCC computer to read a file and update a record?

    And I doubt that the actual cost to the FCC to process a paper license is more than $10. Again, most of the work is done by others. All someone from the FCC has to do is pick up the sheet of paper from the laser printer, fold it, and put it in an envelope. (And even THAT can be automated these days; Pitney-Bowes for one has a machine that does all that AND affixes postage as well). Then the envelopes have to be picked up and put in the mail. And that's it.

    If the FCC's costs to do all that really come to $50 & $50, then they have some real serious problems to address.

    I don't object to a fee. I do object to being ripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W3WN View Post
    Again, it's not the fee that's the issue.

    It's the pretense that it currently costs the FCC $50 to process an Amateur Radio license. AND the pretense that it currently costs the FCC an additional $50 to print and mail a paper license.

    In other words, under the guise of covering reasonable fees -- and I have no problem with reasonable fees -- the bureaucrats and politicians behind this are insulting us by thinking that we can't do simple math.

    I doubt that the actual cost to the FCC to process an application or renewal comes to more than $5. Consider that most of the work is already done by the VEC's who actually submit the electronic information; or the Amateur who processes his renewal via the ULS him/herself. How long does it take the FCC computer to read a file and update a record?

    And I doubt that the actual cost to the FCC to process a paper license is more than $10. Again, most of the work is done by others. All someone from the FCC has to do is pick up the sheet of paper from the laser printer, fold it, and put it in an envelope. (And even THAT can be automated these days; Pitney-Bowes for one has a machine that does all that AND affixes postage as well). Then the envelopes have to be picked up and put in the mail. And that's it.

    If the FCC's costs to do all that really come to $50 & $50, then they have some real serious problems to address.

    I don't object to a fee. I do object to being ripped off.
    Forgot to add the cost of several high level GS workers salaries, loading paper and ink in the printer, turning on the computer, yada yada. The government overhead for operations is the envy of many a TV preacher.
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    We pay 35 Euro's a year, sincee 4 years after it was free for some years
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    Makes five usd a year look like a bargain.

    Still not happy about it though

    Like that post was...
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    I don’t find the fee per se a problem.

    $50 per renewal seems a bit high. It costs the FCC that much to issue or renew a ticket? Really?

    The real stinker is... an additional $50 to mail you a copy of your license? Really?

    I don’t mind reasonable fees to cover services rendered. But this? This is a rip-off.
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    WE had a similar discussion here when we had to pay again for renewing our license every year after it had been free for several years.
    So, I asked the moaners, you spend 1000's ofnEuro's on 6ransceivers antenna's and other junk a year and complain about paying for something the government needs to do?
    When you tank gas at the station is it free?
    Is your work free?
    Yes, we pay taxes as well, but most people are no ham so this is an extra service provided.
    As i have to pay each year for my firearm license to be renewed.
    Or paying for my identity card/passport.
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