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    Quote Originally Posted by kb2crk View Post
    The same crap Hump supporters were saying Obama would do. Same shit different party.
    OK Walter. At least it's an ethos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    I believe the difference being that the Trump Train has already gone off the rails. The question here, would the GOP still be scared shitless of him if he lost?
    I do not know why the GOP is afraid of him. A democrat billionaire who changed parties to run for president. Said outrageous shit that should have turned many against him and was probably Hillarys best chance of winning against. This is what the lesser of two evils gets you. I would have considered Bernie in 2016 or 2020 but the party will not allow it. This will be another election going to a third party even though there is no chance this year as state election laws and the pandemic lockdown have prevented even the libertarians of being on the ballot in all 50 states. We need a clean sweep and we need term limits for congress. After 20 years these representatives believe they are our leaders and that should have never happened.


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    There is no 3rd party viability without those in said 3rd party having a strong foothold in local and state offices.
    There are no clean sweeps. That's just talk that gets potential votes for the better candidate to get thrown away.
    Lesser of 2 evils talk is less and less an argument when you have the Antichrist himself occupying the WH.

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    Agreed. Don't be a Walter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    There is no 3rd party viability without those in said 3rd party having a strong foothold in local and state offices.
    There are no clean sweeps. That's just talk that gets potential votes for the better candidate to get thrown away.
    Lesser of 2 evils talk is less and less an argument when you have the Antichrist himself occupying the WH.
    We had a viable one around here for a while - the Independence Party. It was an offshoot of Ross Perot's party. It became the Independence Party when Perot's party was hijacked by ultra right wingers. It did manage to elect a governor - Jesse Ventura - whom most people regarded as a joke, which is why he won, too. He was actually a decent governor when he wasn't being a looney. He did lots of things for the working stiffs. He made property taxes much fairer. But he also inspired others to run as Independents, and some won. He appointed a really good guy to fill an empty Senate seat. The one Republican I voted for regularly literally got kicked out of the party because she would not vote for an NRA bill that would have required sheriffs to issue gun permits to those with mental problems. She ran for re-election on the Independence ticket and won a couple times. She's a Democrat now.

    But Independence hasn't done well in recent elections, not even qualifying automatically for the next election. Too bad - they usually had the best candidates.

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    Not surprised by this. I suspect the knowledge of this gives his supporters an erection.

    Both Project Veritas and Mr. Prince have ties to President Trumps aides and family. Whether any Trump administration officials or advisers to the president were involved in the operations, even tacitly, is unclear. But the effort is a glimpse of a vigorous private campaign to try to undermine political groups or individuals perceived to be in opposition to Mr. Trumps agenda.
    Mr. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. He worked with the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn during the presidential transition. In 2017, he met with White House and Pentagon officials to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, rejected the idea.




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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    There is no 3rd party viability without those in said 3rd party having a strong foothold in local and state offices.
    There are no clean sweeps. That's just talk that gets potential votes for the better candidate to get thrown away.
    Lesser of 2 evils talk is less and less an argument when you have the Antichrist himself occupying the WH.
    And that widespread attitude is why we are stuck with the lesser of two evils. Until there is a change in that belief this will never change. There will never be an influx in local 3rd parties until restrictive ballot access laws are changed. Not going to happen as they were written to keep third parties out by the two parties telling you a third party vote does not count.


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    OK, but how may I ask may those laws be changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb2vxa View Post
    OK, but how may I ask may those laws be changed?
    As we are an Oligarchy now and just a facsimile of the democratic republic we once were it is difficult to say. We have a ruling class split into two parties that have no problem working together to gain more control. To change the laws we must change the law makers. Term limits on congress would help there. But then again the current self proclaimed leaders wont allow that to happen. It may take a revolution. I hope not but it may be reaching that point. If the general populace would stop parroting the hate coming from the parties and work together maybe we can attain a change. We, as in all people need to work together for change and stop separating ourselves by party line, color, disability, gender or sexuality. That is what our government wants. We all have more in common than we disagree on. We as a people have to relearn how to have a difficult discussion without devolving to name calling. We seem to have forgotten on how to agree to disagree. Not everyone is going to see things the same way. You cant force someone to see something a way that they do not agree with. you can make them think about it, make them aware of how others see it. Change has to come from the people and it will be an uphill battle. we are in this mess because we allowed it to happen. Only we, working together can change it.
    No Warren I do not have a definite answer how do we change the laws, not as long and the dem, rep, control exists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kb2vxa View Post
    OK, but how may I ask may those laws be changed?
    And THAT, right there, is the problem.

    Only our legislators can change the laws. They have no incentive to do so, since it would mean that they are potentially voting themselves out of office.

    Never forget, the first rule of elected politicians is... Do whatever it takes to get re-elected.

    But OK, let's say for the sake of argument, there's a groundswell of public anger that demands said change. The bill will be proposed. It will get co-sponsors. It will be sent to committee for evaluation. And there it will stay to die. Or it will, eventually, pass one chamber of the state legislature... and then get sent to committee for evaluation in the other chamber, and it will stay to die.

    Or some other legislative trick will take place; there are many. Suffice to say, it will never get to the governor's desk for a signature.

    But there will be enough of a public dog and pony show that people will THINK that they've made a difference, and THINK that change is coming. False hope.
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