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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    And once again, those hospitalized were not vaping nicotine products. An important distinction since in the United States, they're going after nicotine vapes as well as THC vapes.
    I know there are others who know more about the THC vapes than I do. Perhaps a word from the experienced?
    "Smoke 'em if you got 'em (From a Licensed Ohio Dispensary) boys" .

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    You guys may not know this... But I spent 10 years working in the tobacco harm reduction movement.

    By that- I mean I spent 10 years as a Director and Board Secretary for CASAA: http://www.casaa.org (Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives Association)

    The truth is this: Vaping is not a vitamin or completely safe. But it's safer than tobacco. How do I know? Because I had a hand in funding studies that support that position.

    E-cig e-liquid made without consideration of the the ingredients (PG, VG, and some sort of flavor base) can be dangerous. Somebody screwed up the e-juice. Probably upstream in the supply chain (most likely China).

    That people are dying is horrible. But this lays right at the feet of the FDA. We told them about the possible problems. And instead of making regulations to foster the industry- they made regulations that made it near impossible for a non-Big Tobacco to open up shop. They killed an industry with about a 1000 startups.

    That's the truth. I was there for it.

    The anti-tobacco lobby see cigarettes going away- they need a new demon to stay in business. They don't care if they are right. So they are taking aim at a safer product and still allowing cigarettes on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KD8TUT View Post
    You guys may not know this... But I spent 10 years working in the tobacco harm reduction movement.

    By that- I mean I spent 10 years as a Director and Board Secretary for CASAA: http://www.casaa.org (Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives Association)

    The truth is this: Vaping is not a vitamin or completely safe. But it's safer than tobacco. How do I know? Because I had a hand in funding studies that support that position.

    E-cig e-liquid made without consideration of the the ingredients (PG, VG, and some sort of flavor base) can be dangerous. Somebody screwed up the e-juice. Probably upstream in the supply chain (most likely China).

    That people are dying is horrible. But this lays right at the feet of the FDA. We told them about the possible problems. And instead of making regulations to foster the industry- they made regulations that made it near impossible for a non-Big Tobacco to open up shop. They killed an industry with about a 1000 startups.

    That's the truth. I was there for it.

    The anti-tobacco lobby see cigarettes going away- they need a new demon to stay in business. They don't care if they are right. So they are taking aim at a safer product and still allowing cigarettes on the market.
    The problem here is not e-juice. The problem is black market THC cartomizers made in some guy's kitchen in Wisconsin. He used vitamin E as a mixing agent. When vitamin E is vaped it solidifies on the inside of the lungs causing suffocation.
    This isn't a vaping problem. This is an illegal drug problem. The regular e-liquid used for smoking cessation is not the culprit of the current health crisis. However, a representative in Utah claims that 84% of the e-liquid in his state contains opium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    The problem here is not e-juice. The problem is black market THC cartomizers made in some guy's kitchen in Wisconsin. He used vitamin E as a mixing agent. When vitamin E is vaped it solidifies on the inside of the lungs causing suffocation.
    This isn't a vaping problem. This is an illegal drug problem. The regular e-liquid used for smoking cessation is not the culprit of the current health crisis. However, a representative in Utah claims that 84% of the e-liquid in his state contains opium.
    What a clusterfuck this development is. Who comes up with these faulty formulas besides idiots? Makes me think someone oughta be doin some time; a LOT of it.

    Like that post was...
    Moving on, my posts are not helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by WZ7U View Post
    What a clusterfuck this development is. Who comes up with these faulty formulas besides idiots? Makes me think someone oughta be doin some time; a LOT of it.
    The formula is not complicated. Without flavoring, it's a 50-50 or 70-30 PG/VG mix with nicotine added.

    I make my own liquid all the time. It's so inexpensive... buy a liter of 100mg/ml nicotine, a liter each of PG/VG, run a few numbers through a calculator... mix proper amounts.

    *poof* you have e-juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KG4CGC View Post
    The problem here is not e-juice. The problem is black market THC cartomizers made in some guy's kitchen in Wisconsin. He used vitamin E as a mixing agent. When vitamin E is vaped it solidifies on the inside of the lungs causing suffocation.
    This isn't a vaping problem. This is an illegal drug problem. The regular e-liquid used for smoking cessation is not the culprit of the current health crisis. However, a representative in Utah claims that 84% of the e-liquid in his state contains opium.
    We who are close to the industry call that bathtub juice.

    There have been a few real mishaps in the last 10 years. One company shipped nicotine labelled as 100mg/ml but it was actually 325mg/ml. They got busted. I helped take it public with a nuclear chemist from Penn State who did the testing and provided verification.

    There have been other mishaps... stacked lithium batteries with either no protection circuit or insufficient amperage leading to an explosive outgassing of said batteries on low resistance coils. Lots of crap from China. The original e-juice coming into the country was from a company called "Dekang". Early vapers are still not sure what was in it.

    Oh... fuck Utah.
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    2News reporter Jeremy Harris talked to Beechtree Diagnostics about its findings. He'll explain why the lab says these numbers should not be taken as evidence, tonight on 2News at 10.

    Wouldn't want to use actual facts now would they?

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