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    Fructose vs "Real" Sugar

    I can't taste the difference.

    For example, Mexican and "American" Coke. They taste exactly the same to me. I don't think my taste buds are that shot.

    Are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by w0aew View Post
    I can't taste the difference.

    For example, Mexican and "American" Coke. They taste exactly the same to me. I don't think my taste buds are that shot.

    Are they?
    Nope, they taste the same to me too. However, when mixed with rum, I can tell the difference only with the first drink. One is essentially produced in a laboratory after adding enzymes. The other is about the same as always. I think of both of them as a drug. HFCS is thought by many to have the same effect on lab rat, and human brains as cocaine does. Many folks think there is a direct correlation to the rise in obesity in the USA to when it became a food additive in damn near everything. Why does soup, and bread need a sweeter? Monsanto says that it is good for us, they are never wrong. I also preferred the older tuna fish that had a bit of dolphin mixed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suddenseer View Post
    Nope, they taste the same to me too. However, when mixed with rum, I can tell the difference only with the first drink. One is essentially produced in a laboratory after adding enzymes. The other is about the same as always. I think of both of them as a drug. HFCS is thought by many to have the same effect on lab rat, and human brains as cocaine does. Many folks think there is a direct correlation to the rise in obesity in the USA to when it became a food additive in damn near everything. Why does soup, and bread need a sweeter? Monsanto says that it is good for us, they are never wrong. I also preferred the older tuna fish that had a bit of dolphin mixed in.
    Bread needs sugar for the yeast. Soup needs sugar to reduce acidity.

    Yes, sugar has a highly addictive effect on the brain. Primarily sucrose, since it's an evolved drive to seek out calorie-dense foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC2UGV View Post
    Bread needs sugar for the yeast. Soup needs sugar to reduce acidity.

    Yes, sugar has a highly addictive effect on the brain. Primarily sucrose, since it's an evolved drive to seek out calorie-dense foods.
    I was raised baking bread. I later learned that adding a simple carbohydrate as a flavoring is not needed. Ever have real french bread? There are several methods of baking that use complex carbs such as sprouted grains. Being a diabetic, I switched to sprouted grains a long time ago. In fact, the right mixture of sprouted grains results in all of the amino acids to be present in the bread to be considered as a complete protein. After the yeast consumes the carb, and gives off the alcohol it's work is done. It does not need to be added as a flavoring. I am not an award winning chef, but I have never found it necessary to add any kind of sweetener, as a flavoring to any of my homemade soups, or chili. My iced tea? Please pass the Stivia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suddenseer View Post
    I was raised baking bread. I later learned that adding a simple carbohydrate as a flavoring is not needed. Ever have real french bread? There are several methods of baking that use complex carbs such as sprouted grains. Being a diabetic, I switched to sprouted grains a long time ago. In fact, the right mixture of sprouted grains results in all of the amino acids to be present in the bread to be considered as a complete protein. After the yeast consumes the carb, and gives off the alcohol it's work is done. It does not need to be added as a flavoring. I am not an award winning chef, but I have never found it necessary to add any kind of sweetener, as a flavoring to any of my homemade soups, or chili. My iced tea? Please pass the Stivia.
    Depends on the bread you're making. Regular white bread? Just enough sugar for the yeast to ferment a bit, and then a smidge more (Along with salt) for flavor.

    I've added sugar to many a soup, chili included, if the acidity was too high for tastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suddenseer View Post
    Nope, they taste the same to me too. However, when mixed with rum, I can tell the difference only with the first drink. One is essentially produced in a laboratory after adding enzymes. The other is about the same as always. I think of both of them as a drug. HFCS is thought by many to have the same effect on lab rat, and human brains as cocaine does. Many folks think there is a direct correlation to the rise in obesity in the USA to when it became a food additive in damn near everything. Why does soup, and bread need a sweeter? Monsanto says that it is good for us, they are never wrong. I also preferred the older tuna fish that had a bit of dolphin mixed in.
    Unless making soup with unripe tomatoes you don't need sugar. It is a preservative for canning some fruits and for bottling fruits at home, the old-fashioned way in vacuum-sealed jars. Sugar is not need in processed meats and canned food, in bread just enough to raise the dough. Monsanto clearly like to "raise the dough".

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    Quote Originally Posted by w0aew View Post
    I can't taste the difference.

    For example, Mexican and "American" Coke. They taste exactly the same to me. I don't think my taste buds are that shot.

    Are they?
    Fructose is fructose is fructose.

    Glucose is glucose is glucose.

    Sucrose is sucrose is sucrose.

    Which sugar is "real sugar" when someone says that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC2UGV View Post
    Fructose is fructose is fructose.

    Glucose is glucose is glucose.

    Sucrose is sucrose is sucrose.

    Which sugar is "real sugar" when someone says that?
    I would prefer one that grows out of the ground as to a patented chemical. I really prefer the by product that has been fermented, or distilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suddenseer View Post
    I would prefer one that grows out of the ground as to a patented chemical. I really prefer the by product that has been fermented, or distilled.
    Chemically, they are all identical, regardless of the source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC2UGV View Post
    Chemically, they are all identical, regardless of the source.
    Yep, but most of us would have a hard time eating 25 or more bananas a day (I would). But modern science has made it easy to drink the chemically equivalent sugar every day. I have won many bar bets, by correctly identifying Mexican coke and rum, vs. Murican coke (HFCS) and rum. I can only do it 2 times, then my palate, and tongue get desensitized. I can continue drinking with my betting proceeds. Without the rum, I cannot tell the difference. I believe it is important to consume from the 4 basic food groups every day. 1 Alcohol group 2.Grease group. 3. Salt group. 4 Sugar group. Bon Appetit.

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