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    New York City Indians

    Every skyscraper in New York has been built with crews of Mohawk Indians. For over a century, they have worked on the high rise buildings that are the skyline of the city.

    “A lot of people think Mohawks aren’t afraid of heights; that’s not true. We have as much fear as the next guy. The difference is that we deal with it better. We also have the experience of the old timers to follow and the responsibility to lead the younger guys. There’s pride in ‘walking iron.’” —Kyle Karonhiaktatie Beauvais (Mohawk, Kahnawake)

    A 21st-century Mohawk ironworker might easily be called a real “man of steel.” For more than 100 years, Mohawk people have taken part in the seemingly superhuman task of building skyscrapers and bridges throughout the United States, Canada, and abroad. Working in New York City since the 1920s, these brave and skilled ironworkers built the city’s most prominent landmarks, including the Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building, the George Washington Bridge, and the World Trade Center.

    The Mohawk tradition of ironworking began in the mid-1880s when they were hired as unskilled laborers to build a bridge over the St. Lawrence River onto Mohawk land. They quickly earned a reputation for being top-notch workers on high steel, and “booming out” from their Native communities in search of the next big job became a fact of life.


    High Steel Mohawk Indians.

    Today, American Indians are dispersed widely throughout the New York metro area, and can claim no ethnic enclaves along the lines of Chinatown or Hasidic Jewish neighborhoods. It wasn't always like that, however, as there was a distinctly Mohawk community throughout much of the 20th Century, centered in what is now Boerum Hill in Brooklyn (formerly North Gowanus).


    The community reached its zenith in the 1950s, when some 700 Mohawk men made their homes there with their families, mostly around Nevins Street. There was a bar in the area called the Wigwam. At a church on Pacific Street, the local pastor learned to speak Mohawk so he could better minister to his flock. It was in this church that a young Louis Mofsie (now in his seventies) practiced singing and dancing with his friends; that group would later become the celebrated Thunderbird American Indian Dancers, which still perform to rave reviews. Mofsie is Hopi and Winnebago.


    The economic engine behind the Mohawk community in Brooklyn was steel. Over many decades, Mohawk ironworkers played key roles in constructing New York's built environment, having helped raise the Empire State Building, Rockefeller Center, the Waldorf-Astoria, the Henry Hudson Parkway, the George Washington, Triborough and Verrazano-Narrows Bridges, and the World Trade Center, among many other structures.


    More recently, Mohawks worked on the AOL Time Warner towers at Columbus Circle. Mohawks were also some of the first skilled workers to comb through the rubble when the Twin Towers came down in September 2001.
    High-rise work has been a tradition among some Mohawk since the mid-1800s, particularly among men from the Kahnawake (pronounced ga-nuh-WAH-gay) reservation near Montreal in Canada. Observers have suggested that the dangerous, demanding labor is a natural extension of the Mohawks tradition of building 200-foot longhouses. Others have pointed out that when the Mohawk first entered the business, there weren't many other jobs available to them. Over time, the high-stakes career was often passed from fathers to sons. In the building trades, Mohawk men earned a reputation as being sure-footed and excellent workers.
    Mohawk Ironworkers: The People that Built New York
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    I made my first visit to NYC last April to attend a wedding in Brooklyn. We were there only for a few days but I find these articles you're posting fascinating. We rode the subway to Manhattan a few times, saw Times Square on a Saturday Night (as busy as the Vegas strip), rode the Staten Island Ferry, but didn't have time to see lots of other places. I'm doing what I can with Google Maps, books, and various websites. I spent hours wandering Brooklyn looking at those cozy (and probably horribly expensive) townhomes situated around the corners of bakeries, butcher shops, green grocers and pharmacies...neighborhoods that looked as if they hadn't changed significantly since the 30s. No big deal for most of youse guys, but having spent most of my life in Texas and now Colorado, it was quite a contrast. I bet putting up an antenna would be quite a challenge, but Cor's shown how he's done it in a similar environment so guess it's done. However, most of the QSOs I've had with hams in that area live in Long Island. I've never contacted anyone in Brooklyn, Manhattan or Staten Island. I'm usually on 40 or 20 meter CW or digital (hint hint).
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    Quote Originally Posted by w0aew View Post
    I made my first visit to NYC last April to attend a wedding in Brooklyn. We were there only for a few days but I find these articles you're posting fascinating. We rode the subway to Manhattan a few times, saw Times Square on a Saturday Night (as busy as the Vegas strip), rode the Staten Island Ferry, but didn't have time to see lots of other places. I'm doing what I can with Google Maps, books, and various websites. I spent hours wandering Brooklyn looking at those cozy (and probably horribly expensive) townhomes situated around the corners of bakeries, butcher shops, green grocers and pharmacies...neighborhoods that looked as if they hadn't changed significantly since the 30s. No big deal for most of youse guys, but having spent most of my life in Texas and now Colorado, it was quite a contrast. I bet putting up an antenna would be quite a challenge, but Cor's shown how he's done it in a similar environment so guess it's done. However, most of the QSOs I've had with hams in that area live in Long Island. I've never contacted anyone in Brooklyn, Manhattan or Staten Island. I'm usually on 40 or 20 meter CW or digital (hint hint).
    Thank you. I no longer live in the city, but I do find it interesting that they've had cowboys and indians. There is a strong line of Mohawk in my family so we were aware of Mohawks and other tribes working on the skyscrapers. I knew at least 4 indians in my building in Fort Hamilton Brooklyn, including the main rain dancer for the Thunderbird Indian Dancers. Putting up any kind of antenna on the roof of a building has become nearly impossible since the Reign of King Rudy. They have actually made it illegal to go on the roof and helicopters are in the air all day and night with IR scopes enforcing that law. With buildings being so close and nosy neighbors, even putting a magnet wire long wire antenna is a big challenge. There are a few with Yagis or GR5Vs but they're homeowners willing to deal with their neighbors.
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    NH John and I have had that conversation before, A Tree Grows In Brooklyn but antennas don't fare well at all. Now comes the question, how did cowboys and Indians deal with each other in this modern version of Drums Along The Mohawk? Or was that Hudson? Details are sketchy but the outcome is clear, Indians having the high ground remain while the cowboys are gone. You think it funny we sold Manhattan for $24 worth of junk but who laughing now white eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2NH View Post



    Putting up any kind of antenna on the roof of a building has become nearly impossible since the Reign of King Rudy. They have actually made it illegal to go on the roof and helicopters are in the air all day and night with IR scopes enforcing that law.
    I have a friend who flies a police chopper for NYC. He;s never mentioned being sent up on anti-antenna enforcement but I'll have to ask him about that next time I see him. From what he tells me the vast majority of their missions are ground support ops... for example a bad guy robs a pharmacy and runs into a park and he gets called to flied over and lights up the entire area with a spotlight while watching for the perp via infrared.

    My guess is that if they are doing aerial antenna enforcement that would be a daytime op. as the antennas aren't going to make much of a splash in IR. But they'll get a great view of your rooftop and whatever is up there during the daytime.

    With buildings being so close and nosy neighbors, even putting a magnet wire long wire antenna is a big challenge. There are a few with Yagis or GR5Vs but they're homeowners willing to deal with their neighbors.
    Yet there are a lot of hams operating HF from NYC, many with very good signals, so they must be managing somehow... From what I've been told by several NYC hams its not so much the city that hassles people about antennas but the landlords / building management. Many buildings simply don;t want a tenant installing anything on their roof. Sometimes you might get a friendly landlord who will make exception and allow an antenna to be put up on the roof or strung across the yard. Of course to make this happen it's always a good idea to pay your rent on time, make sure you give the landlord a nice present around Christmastime, invite him up for dinner now and then. Landlords like that sort of stuff and sometimes might just give a smile and a nod of approval when you ask him if you can hang that skyhook. ;) Of course the other problem is the nosy neighbors who will blame you every time their home electronics malfunctions.

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    I have friends in a lot of the NYPD units. There's a reason why this isn't common knowledge so if you get a different answer, there's probably a good reason for that. It's not the antennas that they're looking for, but people who don't belong on the roof.

    The reason for making access to rooftops so hard goes back to the 1977 blackout when many snipers took to the rooftops. Landlords were required to put alarms on roof access doors and provisions were written into most leases that required permission to go on to the roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2NH View Post
    I have friends in a lot of the NYPD units. There's a reason why this isn't common knowledge so if you get a different answer, there's probably a good reason for that. It's not the antennas that they're looking for, but people who don't belong on the roof.
    Oh yeah, I get what you're saying. I didn;t think they were on patrol for antennas.

    The reason for making access to rooftops so hard goes back to the 1977 blackout when many snipers took to the rooftops. Landlords were required to put alarms on roof access doors and provisions were written into most leases that required permission to go on to the roof.
    Well, if you are going to put up an antenna you are going to need permission anyway. Although back in the early 1990's I had a friend living in downtown Brooklyn and we took it upon oursellves to go up to the roof and install an antenna. Matter of fact we used to hang out on that roof quite often. Access was easy. Climb a few very steep steps and go through a trap door and you were on the roof.

    In the old days (back in the 1940's and 50's) my Dad used to keep pigeons on the roof of his building in the Bronx. Lots of guys had pigeon coops in the Bronx. In those days going up on the roof was no problem.

    These days with the degree of paranoia and the sterilization of NYC by Guiliani and now 12 years of Bloomby Baby it's hard to do anything in that city without arousing extreme suspicion. heck, you might get arrested if you are caught with a large sized soft drink. An alcoholoc drink might get you hanged in central park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n2ize View Post
    These days with the degree of paranoia and the sterilization of NYC by Guiliani and now 12 years of Bloomby Baby it's hard to do anything in that city without arousing extreme suspicion. heck, you might get arrested if you are caught with a large sized soft drink. An alcoholoc drink might get you hanged in central park.
    Very true. I remember when Rudy I combined the three police forces into NYPD. NYPD absorbed Transit Police and Housing Police. At the time that made the NYPD the biggest police force in the country. I was waiting for a traffic light coming home one night and a newly unearthed subway cop was eying me suspiciously. My transgression? I had a mustache. That's why so few have them in NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2NH View Post
    Very true. I remember when Rudy I combined the three police forces into NYPD. NYPD absorbed Transit Police and Housing Police. At the time that made the NYPD the biggest police force in the country. I was waiting for a traffic light coming home one night and a newly unearthed subway cop was eying me suspiciously. My transgression? I had a mustache. That's why so few have them in NYC.
    Well, if you had a mustache you must be a liberal member of a certain ethnic group and probably a drug dealer too !!! All kidding aside I never thought of that. Now I'll have to start counting how many men wearing mustaches I see.

    Well, NYC elected Rudy twice and Bloomby Baby thrice so I laugh when I hear people say NYC is a left wing liberal city.
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