Guns Don't Kill ?

[n2ize]

We all heard "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Duh ?? No brainer there

By the same token...

Atomic bombs don't kill people, people kill people
Knives don't kill people, people kill people
Lances, swords, and clubs don't kill people, people kill people.

I am 100% all for 2nd amendment rights and am all for guns but, sometimes people use guns to kill people. My point, some of the cliches used by the good pro-gun folks are really lame. I think they need to come up with some better slogans.

[KC2UGV]

My view as well, by and large.

[AB5S]

I'm just slightly right of Attilla the Hun.
I have defended my family with a handgun.
I, my wife and oldest daughter would be raped and dead
if I hadn't had it or been trained and willing to use it.

However: I also think a person should be screened, trained and licensed to own a handgun.
We require that of drivers, pilots, machine operators, doctors and all manner
of people who might kill someone if they're an ass-hat.
And there are a bunch of ass-hats out there.

But there is a big problem with that:
Once such a law is in place, you Leftys will do the "camel's nose in the tent"
deal until only the local thugs have a weapon.
Better a few casualties as the price for citizen gun ownership
than many casualties among a disarmed population of sheep.
Quote for the day:
"If you go through life like a grazing antelope, a predator is going to eat you."

[n2ize]

I'm just slightly right of Attilla the Hun.
I have defended my family with a handgun.
I, my wife and oldest daughter would be raped and dead
if I hadn't had it or been trained and willing to use it.

However: I also think a person should be screened, trained and licensed to own a handgun.
We require that of drivers, pilots, machine operators, doctors and all manner
of people who might kill someone if they're an ass-hat.
And there are a bunch of ass-hats out there.

But there is a big problem with that:
Once such a law is in place, you Leftys will do the "camel's nose in the tent"
deal until only the local thugs have a weapon.
Better a few casualties as the price for citizen gun ownership
than many casualties among a disarmed population of sheep.
Quote for the day:
"If you go through life like a grazing antelope, a predator is going to eat you."

I agree with you for the most part. However I disagree with the term "lefty's" because it only serves to divide and conquer, placing people into one of two categories when in reality people are much more complex. For example, I am considered by many to be a "liberal / lefty" yet on many issues I take on a traditionally conservative view. For example I am pro gun, and pro-death penalty, pro-atomic energy, all views for which I get sharply criticized by many of my anti-gun / anti-nuke liberal friends. Yet I know conservatives who are also anti-nukers.

Except for some people who sit at the fringes of each end of the spectrum I think we are all a balanced mix of views and there is no such thing as a "righty" or "lefty"

Far as guns go I am opposed to registration and regulations. I feel anyone should be allowed to walk into a store, buy a gun and ammo, no questions asked, and be able to load the gun, holster it, and walk out of the store, no questions, no hassles, no background checks. I am all for 100% unfettered gun ownership. And I do agree. The gun is a tool, and one of its uses is defense. If a creep comes into your home to rob you you shoot the creep. And yes, we are going to have to tolerate a number of accidental deaths. Such is the price we pay, much as we do with cars.

And yes, I agree. There are some extreme nutters in the anti-gun movement who will keep fighting against guns until they are banned entirely. These are the types which no level of regulation can satisfy. Their aim is to disarm all Americans. They are just like some of the extreme anti-smoking fringers. Bans on smoking in bars, restaurants, parks, trains, buses, beaches, etc. is not enough for them. They won't rest until it is a crime to smoke in the privacy of your own home or anywhere.

[KG4NEL]

Far as guns go I am opposed to registration and regulations. I feel anyone should be allowed to walk into a store, buy a gun and ammo, no questions asked, and be able to load the gun, holster it, and walk out of the store, no questions, no hassles, no background checks. I am all for 100% unfettered gun ownership. And I do agree. The gun is a tool, and one of its uses is defense. If a creep comes into your home to rob you you shoot the creep. And yes, we are going to have to tolerate a number of accidental deaths. Such is the price we pay, much as we do with cars.

This seems like much less of a standard than we have with cars.

[NQ6U]

This seems like much less of a standard than we have with cars.

Don't pay too much attention to John on this issue. He's well-established as the Island's resident troll.

[W5GA]

This seems like much less of a standard than we have with cars.

First you'd have find a fundamental, individual right concerning cars.

[N2RJ]

This seems like much less of a standard than we have with cars.

If you're comparing it with cars, you do know that most people get a license at the end of the application process... not so with gun permits in places that require them (including carry permits).

[NQ6U]

Once such a law is in place, you Leftys will do the "camel's nose in the tent" deal until only the local thugs have a weapon.

With one possible exception, you won't find that sort of thinking here on the Island. Most of us are gun owners. Hell, I even used to belong to the NRA until the Neil Knox faction took it over and it lurched to the crazy right.

[N2RJ]

However: I also think a person should be screened, trained and licensed to own a handgun.
We require that of drivers, pilots, machine operators, doctors and all manner
of people who might kill someone if they're an ass-hat.
And there are a bunch of ass-hats out there.

100% fine with that, but as you mentioned the whole "nose in the tent" thing.

For example, concealed carry permits aren't illegal in New Jersey. However, good luck getting one. There was a guy who was repeatedly robbed and beaten up, and kidnapped from his place of business. He was refused a concealed carry permit several times. The state said it was not necessary.