Is Amateur radio related to the "Prepper" Movement?

[W2NAP]

And your tribe is in your home town or city.

no true. my tribe is my friends and people I know and like. a lot of the people in my city i wouldn't waste a good pint of piss on them to put them out of they was on fire.

[KC2UGV]

And your tribe is in your home town or city.

No, it's not.

All the more reason why most people are not going to survive the long and rigorous trek into the hills.

You can survive 40 days without food. However, if you do not have a steady supply by day 15, you will begin the downward spiral.

There are a whole lot of people and not a whole lot of hill space within walking distance and not a whole lot of animals to hunt.

You'd be shocked at how close you are to being outside... Map a straight line out. NYC (and it's boroughs) are only 10 miles radius...

But it makes the most sense to create society in our existing cities and bring our cities back and functional.

I don;t know about the rest of you but in a crisis I will stay in my city.

My point is: The city isn't sustainable without outside inputs. And, in the case of collapse, inputs will be hampered for many years

To me that borders on treason. I feel a sense of loyalty to my community and to repair my community.

Go for it.

In order to repair your community, you have to be alive. Staying in a city any longer than it takes to throw stuff in your car and get out would almost guarantee the opposite. Corey is spot on, your only loyalty is to your tribe...or you immediate family, if you will. At some point, Darwin will make the cities fit for habitation again, but it'll take some time.
This is common sense, John. If you're in an area with fewer people, the less likely it will be that you'll run into someone that wants whatever it is that you have, and is willing to take it by force, necessary or not. And that "someone" may, and probably will be, a large group (20 or more) that has decided that they will survive via terrorism as an end unto itself. One person won't stop them.

As to taking to the hills...there's already a bunch of us in those hills. If you decide my patch of dirt is to your liking, we may have an issue.

Well, your last statement might be true (It is), and only by force can you keep what you have. I have no romantic notions about property laws in the event of collapse: Take and keep resources by force. Which is why you need to also build your tribe as quickly as possible, to better secure resources.

[W5GA]

Which is why you need to also build your tribe as quickly as possible, to better secure resources.

Absolutely correct. I always tell the dolts whose only plan is heading to the hills...if you haven't talked to your neighbors in those hills, and gotten them into your circle, you are going to die. No person is an island, and we all have to sleep.

[KC2UGV]

Absolutely correct. I always tell the dolts whose only plan is heading to the hills...if you haven't talked to your neighbors in those hills, and gotten them into your circle, you are going to die. No person is an island, and we all have to sleep.

You don't need the people in the hills in your circle (It helps). You just need enough force to take it. Or, good negotiation skills, and resources.

[Jeff K1NSS]

How can anyone prepare for the end of the world ?

Well, it's more like prepositioning your End of the World Tailgate Party supplies.. I always gave the Unthinkable alot of thought. In fourth grade I volunteered for Atomic Window Duty. That wasn't the job descripton, but it involved either opening or closing the big classroom windows - I forget which - with one of those cool poles with the little hook on the end. When the air raid siren went off and everybody ducked and covered, I got to play the bigshot with the pole.Our windows looked out on the playground and I thought it was cool that I might see the swings melt when the Rooskies dropped the big one.

[n2ize]

No, it's not.



You can survive 40 days without food. However, if you do not have a steady supply by day 15, you will begin the downward spiral.



You'd be shocked at how close you are to being outside... Map a straight line out. NYC (and it's boroughs) are only 10 miles radius...



My point is: The city isn't sustainable without outside inputs. And, in the case of collapse, inputs will be hampered for many years



Go for it.



Well, your last statement might be true (It is), and only by force can you keep what you have. I have no romantic notions about property laws in the event of collapse: Take and keep resources by force. Which is why you need to also build your tribe as quickly as possible, to better secure resources.

Do you really think if some major crisis happened you are going to join the "head for the hills" fraternity and survive ? Sorry, the only chance we have is for everyone to stay in their respective community (i,e, city, town, village, farm land, etc.) and get their communities running again. This is by no means easy and will be a struggle. many of us may not even survive. The quicker the farming community, the major urban community, the middle america communities get back on track and begin interacting again the sooner things will get back to normal. Heading for the hills with your tribe will only assure that things will never recover

[KC2UGV]

Do you really think if some major crisis happened you are going to join the "head for the hills" fraternity and survive ?

Yes. And, it aint no fraternity. It's pure survival.

Sorry, the only chance we have is for everyone to stay in their respective community (i,e, city, town, village, farm land, etc.) and get their communities running again.

... or build new communities.

This is by no means easy and will be a struggle. many of us may not even survive. The quicker the farming community, the major urban community, the middle america communities get back on track and begin interacting again the sooner things will get back to normal. Heading for the hills with your tribe will only assure that things will never recover

In the event of a societal collapse, it will be many generations before any semblance of "America" ever shows it's face. How do you think society was initially built? By tribes building stable communities.

[n2ize]

You'd be shocked at how close you are to being outside... Map a straight line out. NYC (and it's boroughs) are only 10 miles radius...

And do you know what lies just outside those boroughs in the "hills" ? Hundreds of suburban communities consisting of densely populated towns, cities, and villiages with hundreds of thousands of people, cars, roadways, etc. You have Jersey, Long Island, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess counties,... all heavily populated counties. Not to mention Connecticut, Rhode island, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, etc. The only true remote "hills" you'll find are maybe up in the Adirondacks which is extremely rugged, has brutal winters, is not really suitable for farming and which I doubt those living there will be looking forward to accommodating the "tribes" from Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, Putnam, Westchester, Rochester, Utica, Albany, Buffalo, etc. Yeah, there are a lot of able bodied people down here who can readily spring northward with their "tribes".

Face it, in a major crisis the only chance you have is to get your community running again and get the communities interacting and providing for one another so we can rebuild the economy and the society and the nation. If you live in Buffalo why not stay in Buffalo and bring Buffalo back and make it live again. If I lived there i sure as heck would. We need to be proud of our communities, wherever they may be.

[KC2UGV]

And do you know what lies just outside those boroughs in the "hills" ? Hundreds of suburban communities consisting of densely populated towns, cities, and villiages with hundreds of thousands of people, cars, roadways, etc. You have Jersey, Long Island, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess counties,... all heavily populated counties. Not to mention Connecticut, Rhode island, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, etc. The only true remote "hills" you'll find are maybe up in the Adirondacks which is extremely rugged, has brutal winters, is not really suitable for farming and which I doubt those living there will be looking forward to accommodating the "tribes" from Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, Putnam, Westchester, Rochester, Utica, Albany, Buffalo, etc. Yeah, there are a lot of able bodied people down here who can readily spring northward with their "tribes".

Quickly looking at NYC on Google Earth, I see (Within 10 miles) 3 giant areas of sparse population: New Canaan, West Orange, and Oyster Bay.

Will the survivors there be welcoming? Maybe. But, probably not. You'll need a sizable force to take resources, and defend them.

Face it, in a major crisis the only chance you have is to get your community running again and get the communities interacting and providing for one another so we can rebuild the economy and the society and the nation. If you live in Buffalo why not stay in Buffalo and bring Buffalo back and make it live again. If I lived there i sure as heck would. We need to be proud of our communities, wherever they may be.

Because major population centers will be a source of plague, violence, and death. I'll take starting over on Grand Island, or Squaw Island. Or, Wheatfield, or one of the many, large, open, rural regions here.

[n2ize]

Quickly looking at NYC on Google Earth, I see (Within 10 miles) 3 giant areas of sparse population: New Canaan, West Orange, and Oyster Bay.

Hah... New Caanan is "sparse" but massive in population and surrounded by major populated areas. Oyster Bay LI ?? Is located on densely populated Long Island. Good luck getting off of it or surviving in it in a major crisis. If you are in LI your best bet might be to head east towards Montauk or Rhode Island or grab a boat and head seaward. Ditto for West orange. The only true remote areas are in upstate New York. namely the Adirondack regions and the Adirondack riflemen (among the best in the world) will be well prepared to stop invading tribes from taking their communities.

Will the survivors there be welcoming? Maybe. But, probably not. You'll need a sizable force to take resources, and defend them.



Because major population centers will be a source of plague, violence, and death. I'll take starting over on Grand Island, or Squaw Island. Or, Wheatfield, or one of the many, large, open, rural regions here.

All this can be avoided by not re-inventing the wheel. It's already been invented. Let's just fix it should the need arise. And lets do our best to prevent the need from arising.

Another thing about this area is, we are close to the sea. The sea is a great resource for food and travel and survival. Why would I head for the hills when I am near the sea ?