Penn State Mess

[W3WN]

It's not that it's not "politically correct"; it's the fact that speaking in support of a disgusting fuck like Paterno, who knew about child rape, and did nothing; in and of itself is fucking digusting.

And, his employers have a right to terminate his employment for showing support of an accomplice to child rape.

And you know for a fact that Paterno knew about this? (Yes, I know about the grand jury transcript... )

Oh, and just to keep this in perspective: Franco objected to the manner in which Paterno's employment was terminated. Not specifically to the reasons why.

[KC2UGV]

And you know for a fact that Paterno knew about this? (Yes, I know about the grand jury transcript... )

The Grand Jury report states that Paterno acknowledges he was informed. And, he acknowledges that instead of calling the police, he contacted the Finance Directory for the school's sports program.

Oh, and just to keep this in perspective: Franco objected to the manner in which Paterno's employment was terminated. Not specifically to the reasons why.

What was the manner? The board meets, and votes to terminate him? That's usually how it goes. Again, more minimization of the facts at hand here... Franco is upset because he got canned for voicing support for an accomplice to child rape.

[W3WN]

The Grand Jury report states that Paterno acknowledges he was informed. And, he acknowledges that instead of calling the police, he contacted the Finance Directory for the school's sports program.

What was the manner? The board meets, and votes to terminate him? That's usually how it goes. Again, more minimization of the facts at hand here... Franco is upset because he got canned for voicing support for an accomplice to child rape.

Now, this is a perfect example of how distortion works it's way into these discussions.

Paterno didn't contact "the Finance Department." He contacted both his immediate (on paper) boss, the Athletic Director, Tim Curley, and the Sr. VP for Finance & Business, Gary Schultz. Amongst Schultz's responsibilites was the Penn State Police department. (And yes, he should have done a hell of a lot more, and he has paid the price and then some for not doing so, so let's not digress)

Nor did I say that Franco was upset over being canned. He objected to how the PSU board terminated Paterno, which is NOT the same thing. And for the record, Paterno had to go, and it is unfortunate that not only didn't he see that soon enough, but that the manner in which he retired just reinforced to the board that he thought he was still calling the shots.

Franco merely stated, in not so many words, that he thought Paterno deserved a better dismissal. On that point, I strongly disagree.

So you fire the guy for stating... not that he thought the firing was wrong or unjustified (it clearly was neither wrong nor unjustified by then) but because he felt that the board wasn't polite enough when they fired him? That's a firing offense?

[KC2UGV]

Now, this is a perfect example of how distortion works it's way into these discussions.

Paterno didn't contact "the Finance Department." He contacted both his immediate (on paper) boss, the Athletic Director, Tim Curley, and the Sr. VP for Finance & Business, Gary Schultz. Amongst Schultz's responsibilites was the Penn State Police department. (And yes, he should have done a hell of a lot more, and he has paid the price and then some for not doing so, so let's not digress)

Let's see. Maybe I can put this into simple terms; as to why all of the people involved should be tossed into jail, and left to rot forever:
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/manda.cfm

It's a law that you must report it to the police. Not some finance director, athletic director, et al. The police, or to Child Welfare services. Plain and simple.

By reporting it instead to Sr. VP for Finance, the athletic director, et al; it demonstrates more concern for the athletics program, and the money it brings in; than the welfare of a child being raped.

RAPED.

That's what happened here.

Would you call your dad first if you saw a rape occurring first hand? Or, would you call the police? Would you physically stop it? I know I would.

Nor did I say that Franco was upset over being canned. He objected to how the PSU board terminated Paterno, which is NOT the same thing. And for the record, Paterno had to go, and it is unfortunate that not only didn't he see that soon enough, but that the manner in which he retired just reinforced to the board that he thought he was still calling the shots.

Franco merely stated, in not so many words, that he thought Paterno deserved a better dismissal. On that point, I strongly disagree.

So you fire the guy for stating... not that he thought the firing was wrong or unjustified (it clearly was neither wrong nor unjustified by then) but because he felt that the board wasn't polite enough when they fired him? That's a firing offense?

Any employer has the right to terminate an employee for demonstrating that an accomplice to child RAPE should have been treated better by his terminating employee.

CHILD RAPE. Publicly stating an ACCOMPLICE to a CHILD RAPE should have been fired BETTER? And, you don't think that would be ground for immediate termination?

If you sent an email out to your subordinates, stating in your official capacity, that an ACCOMPLICE to a CHILD RAPE should have been fired gentler; do you think your employer would succinctly terminate your employment?