What they all did, Ron, was to collude to try to keep a lid on the scandal instead of coming to Jesus straight off the bat. The campus police, BTW, is NOT a real police department. They should have taken the allegations to the real authorities as soon as they realized they had such a problem on their hands.
No excuses. No whining. This is not point-fixing or steroid use. This is serious shit.
With all due respect... at least at Penn State, the campus police ARE real police. Same training, same authority. You can verify that with the local magistrate up there, who is a former officer on the State College police force. His name is Carmine Prestia, Jr. Incidentally, he's also K3CWP.Originally Posted by W3MIV
Nor am I making excuses. My point, and maybe I didn't make it as well as I thought I did, was that these are ALLEGATIONS under the law, serious and heinous as they are. All of the people accused of varying degrees of cover-up or inaction, all of them, have been convicted by the media in the court of public opinion, NOT in a court of law.
It's cost Sandusky his freedom (for the moment) and his reputation... which from all accounts it appears it should have. It's also cost the AD and his boss their jobs... which it should IF the allegations prove true, and the indictment for perjury is a pretty strong indication that there's a lot of truth in the allegations of a cover-up.
I'm just saying that we should not rush to judgement. Which seems to be a favorite of the media, especially when it comes to college athletics and sex. But we don't know everything. And sometimes things are not as they first appear... just ask the lacrosse players at Duke.
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My only judgment is that the factotums of the university athletics programs acted first to protect the system, to save their own asses and reputations and futures, and that the seriousness of the charges was almost an afterthought in that process. I make no apologies for my disgust; it is all part and parcel of what higher education in the US has become, and I would have not the least pang of conscience to shovel them wholesale into the pit.
No argument about the appearance of CYA. That's already cost 2 people their jobs (and if this is true, as it appears to be, rightfully so) with more necks on the chopping block.
Nor do I have a problem with the guilty paying for their crimes, even if they pay dearly, as their alleged actions have consequences of their own making.
Let's just make sure they are actually guilty first, that's all.
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I had a feeling that this one was coming... didn't expect it today, mind you, but I didn't think it would be much longer:
"Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...t.html?_r=1&hp
“Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. 90% of the people don’t care, the other 10% are glad it happened.” — Clint Hurdle, 2019
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"The 2020 election wasn't stolen, and speaking the truth is only a crime in countries ruled by tyrants" - Liz Cheney
“Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfed.” — Bernie Sanders
They've got to have a scapegoat, guilty or not. Penn State is not a school; it is a major, for-profit corporation which owes its first and only loyalty to itself. Screw all of the expendables who work for it, from the president down to the janitorial staff. The board is circling its wagons and anyone who is within range is gonna get shot out of the saddle until this scandal is off the front pages.
In the wonderful light of 20-20 hindsight, one wishes that when this first surfaced 10 years ago, a proper investigation would have taken place, and appropriate actions taken. If nothing else, Sandusky's office on campus & his rights to use the facilities (both part of his retirement package, when he was also named an assistant professor emeritus) should have been suspended at LEAST while the investigation was ongoing, and when all was revealed, those rights revoked. To say NOTHING of charges being brought.
Instead, it appears that the two administrators who should have investigated and called in the proper authorities (State Police, Welfare/Human Services/Social Workers, whatever) tried to cover it up and ignore it. And it just blew up in their faces and has cost both of them their jobs, their careers, and their reputations.
What I am having trouble with is knowing what role Paterno had. And word is that he was prepared to discuss it at today's press conference, which the University President's office cancelled. I simply can not believe that JoePa would ignore this or condone it. It does not fit the pattern of the man's life and actions, and the morality that he has demanded of his student-athletes. I know, some of you won't believe that, and will say that he's just another hypocritical major college football coach. I'd like to still believe that's not true of him...
I suspect that the truth, if it ever comes out, will be more on the lines that he reported it, and was told by those conducting the cover-up that there was nothing to it, to put it in a few words. And yes, he definitely should have done more... it could be nothing more than he simply couldn't believe that he one-time heir apparant, friend, etc. was in reality a sexual predator. (How many of us would believe that of someone we'd worked with for decades, based on a single accusation, no matter how heinous?). So he was human, and chose to believe the cover-up, because the accusation seemed so absurd. (How often do most people be thankful that they hear what they wanted to hear, rather than be told an uncomfortable truth. And who does that protect in the long run? No one, it only causes more long term damage). Only, as it now appears as more details (and alleged victims) are surfacing, absurd it wasn't.
Faith in someone who lied to your face as part of a cover-up, someone who chose to hide a crime rather than risk public exposure... what a way to lose your career and your reputation.
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“Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfed.” — Bernie Sanders
Sad as it is, keep reminding everyone everyday that we are talking about anal sex with 10 year old boys. This should never EVER be hushed out of the media spotlight.
Constant deification to the point of sainthood will eventually corrupt even the most perfect individual.
JoePa put Penn State on the map and was rewarded by an extended tenure that outlived the shelf life by about 15 years.
I get your innocent until proven guilty thing, Ron, but this thing is way bigger than lying about phone calls to recruits or having knowledge of illicit tattoos. Paterno would have been better off not commenting at all, rather than issue that mind bogglingly stupid statement saying he reported the incident, so he's cool. What bullshit. I'm not sure who's worse, Paterno, or the that weasly graduate assistant who A. Didn't stop Sandusky from assaulting that child, and B. Didn't go to the cops himself. If it had been me in that locker room, the assault would have been over even it meant I got the hell beat out of me.
We can talk about fairness and doing the right thing, but this stuff was nothing but illegal, non-consential assault on MINORS, and some people felt the program and JoePa was far more important than doing the right thing.
All of these clowns should resign or be fired NOW, including JoePa. Who knows what else is being covered up?
Last edited by WX7P; 11-08-2011 at 09:09 PM.
Let's get real with this issue. I would think most folks on this forum would have beaten the shit out of the pervert if we witnessed what several Penn State connected people did. I would think I would have beaten the shit out of the perv. I am a gay man, and this gay man would have gotten violent if I saw that. I am a parent, and a grandparent. I would probably go to prison if someone did that to my children, or grandchildren. I am a peaceful person, but if someone fucks with my kids I would probably take the law in my hands. I am just saying.
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