FWIW, I think this is the most understated thread title ever.. "mess" doesn't even begin to cover it.
FWIW, I think this is the most understated thread title ever.. "mess" doesn't even begin to cover it.
It's not that it's not "politically correct"; it's the fact that speaking in support of a disgusting fuck like Paterno, who knew about child rape, and did nothing; in and of itself is fucking digusting.Originally Posted by W3WN
And, his employers have a right to terminate his employment for showing support of an accomplice to child rape.And I do NOT agree with Franco on this... which I said. But he has the right to say it, even if he is wrong.
And you know for a fact that Paterno knew about this? (Yes, I know about the grand jury transcript... )
Oh, and just to keep this in perspective: Franco objected to the manner in which Paterno's employment was terminated. Not specifically to the reasons why.
“Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. 90% of the people don’t care, the other 10% are glad it happened.” — Clint Hurdle, 2019
BAN THE DH!
Fudd's First Law of Opposition: If you push something hard enough, it WILL fall down.
Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law: It goes in, it must go out.
"The 2020 election wasn't stolen, and speaking the truth is only a crime in countries ruled by tyrants" - Liz Cheney
“Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfed.” — Bernie Sanders
The Grand Jury report states that Paterno acknowledges he was informed. And, he acknowledges that instead of calling the police, he contacted the Finance Directory for the school's sports program.
What was the manner? The board meets, and votes to terminate him? That's usually how it goes. Again, more minimization of the facts at hand here... Franco is upset because he got canned for voicing support for an accomplice to child rape.Oh, and just to keep this in perspective: Franco objected to the manner in which Paterno's employment was terminated. Not specifically to the reasons why.
Right. And the worrisome thing is that much of the mess seems to be in the mind of a few posters.
Now, this is a perfect example of how distortion works it's way into these discussions.
Paterno didn't contact "the Finance Department." He contacted both his immediate (on paper) boss, the Athletic Director, Tim Curley, and the Sr. VP for Finance & Business, Gary Schultz. Amongst Schultz's responsibilites was the Penn State Police department. (And yes, he should have done a hell of a lot more, and he has paid the price and then some for not doing so, so let's not digress)
Nor did I say that Franco was upset over being canned. He objected to how the PSU board terminated Paterno, which is NOT the same thing. And for the record, Paterno had to go, and it is unfortunate that not only didn't he see that soon enough, but that the manner in which he retired just reinforced to the board that he thought he was still calling the shots.
Franco merely stated, in not so many words, that he thought Paterno deserved a better dismissal. On that point, I strongly disagree.
So you fire the guy for stating... not that he thought the firing was wrong or unjustified (it clearly was neither wrong nor unjustified by then) but because he felt that the board wasn't polite enough when they fired him? That's a firing offense?
Last edited by W3WN; 11-17-2011 at 01:06 PM.
“Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. 90% of the people don’t care, the other 10% are glad it happened.” — Clint Hurdle, 2019
BAN THE DH!
Fudd's First Law of Opposition: If you push something hard enough, it WILL fall down.
Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law: It goes in, it must go out.
"The 2020 election wasn't stolen, and speaking the truth is only a crime in countries ruled by tyrants" - Liz Cheney
“Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfed.” — Bernie Sanders
Let's see. Maybe I can put this into simple terms; as to why all of the people involved should be tossed into jail, and left to rot forever:
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/manda.cfm
It's a law that you must report it to the police. Not some finance director, athletic director, et al. The police, or to Child Welfare services. Plain and simple.
By reporting it instead to Sr. VP for Finance, the athletic director, et al; it demonstrates more concern for the athletics program, and the money it brings in; than the welfare of a child being raped.
RAPED.
That's what happened here.
Would you call your dad first if you saw a rape occurring first hand? Or, would you call the police? Would you physically stop it? I know I would.
Any employer has the right to terminate an employee for demonstrating that an accomplice to child RAPE should have been treated better by his terminating employee.Nor did I say that Franco was upset over being canned. He objected to how the PSU board terminated Paterno, which is NOT the same thing. And for the record, Paterno had to go, and it is unfortunate that not only didn't he see that soon enough, but that the manner in which he retired just reinforced to the board that he thought he was still calling the shots.
Franco merely stated, in not so many words, that he thought Paterno deserved a better dismissal. On that point, I strongly disagree.
So you fire the guy for stating... not that he thought the firing was wrong or unjustified (it clearly was neither wrong nor unjustified by then) but because he felt that the board wasn't polite enough when they fired him? That's a firing offense?
CHILD RAPE. Publicly stating an ACCOMPLICE to a CHILD RAPE should have been fired BETTER? And, you don't think that would be ground for immediate termination?
If you sent an email out to your subordinates, stating in your official capacity, that an ACCOMPLICE to a CHILD RAPE should have been fired gentler; do you think your employer would succinctly terminate your employment?
Lack of institutional control.
Someone finally has a clue.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...n-wake-scandalNCAA president Mark Emmert sent a letter to Penn State president Rod Erickson saying that the governing body for college sports will look at "Penn State's exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics programs" in the case of Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator accused of 40 counts of child sex abuse.
This whole thing is BS. They all knew, they covered up and NOW we get the Paterno has cancer bullshit. Maybe he does, but who the fuck thinks he's an object of sympathy. This shit makes me want to throw my computer out the window, see yawning cat. FUCK! They play the sympathy game! When there's molested kids out there. I don't give a rat's ass about Joe Paterno.
And you apologists, you WILL pull the sympathy card for Paterno, and vilify anyone who states otherwise, to you I say FUCK YOU.
These people are beyond hope.
DEATH PENALTY the program. That won't happen, but it should. DP Penn State across the board. They fucked up on the women's basketball side and now this Sandusky crap. These people are totally clueless.
Now we have some pervert at Syracuse U. basketball. Same Shit. different state.
FUCK!
Last edited by WX7P; 11-19-2011 at 05:19 AM.
It is an error to think that the institutional mindset that ruled these people is any different from that of just about any other "university" in the US. As this sordid tale continues to play out, every other major "athletics program" in the nation is being carefully vetted internally to see if there are any snake hiding in cupboards. Their concern is not children, or ethics, or the value of "sport." Their sole worry is that an "incident" will cost them.
Money is all that matters; all else is incidental.
Are any of these fucksticks in or running for office? All sounds pretty familiar...
Each and every one of these shitbirds got better than they deserved.
When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence. — GARY LLOYD
The nation we live in is the nation we have built by design, each successive generation raising the wall of tyranny a little higher. - Chris Griffin
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