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    Quote Originally Posted by W1GUH View Post
    Well, I call bringing down the power for that many people over that wide an area because of one mistake by one individual (if we're being told the truth...if not, that would be a completely different issue) way too fragile. Especially after 1965, 1977, and 2003 in the NE. Isn't it something like "one plant or substation or whatnot goes down and there a catastrophic cascading of calamities? (Like the alliteration? I do!) Who do they have designing those systems? Oh yea, that's right, it's probably minimum wage workers who went to Apex Technical School and dropped out after the first week.

    But then, you're the one who believes that meltdowns aren't a bad thing, so...

    Are you actually a major stockholder in a power company with quite an agenda?
    Since you seem to know so much about it then perhaps you can propose a network that would work far better ? Of course you will not be allowed any coal, oil, or nuclear power sources. To win the prize you will have to design it in such a way that only wind, water and solar energy are used and you must achieve at least 25% of the reliably of the robust and superior third world power systems. Good Luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n2ize View Post
    Actually the power grid is built to be anything but fragile and has a great deal of built in redundancy. As far as our power grid resembling that of a third world nation, try living in a third world nation where power outages such as this are daily occurrences and many areas have no power.
    Believe want you to believe but, in fact, the events of yesterday in the southwestern U.S. would suggest otherwise. One person made an error that shut down a 500KV transmission line, which in turn began a whole cascade of failures that resulted in the loss of power to five million people in an area the size of several eastern states. I don't think that's the precise definition of "robust."
    All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ6BSO View Post
    Believe want you to believe but, in fact, the events of yesterday in the southwestern U.S. would suggest otherwise. One person made an error that shut down a 500KV transmission line, which in turn began a whole cascade of failures that resulted in the loss of power to five million people in an area the size of several eastern states. I don't think that's the precise definition of "robust."
    Consider the fact that such widespread outages are not common and most of the time the built in redundancy of the network keeps the system up and running. Of course there are outlying situations where things will go wrong. That is to be expected.
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    Wonder if there was....


    1. An SOP in effect.
    2. Did he read and understand the SOP
    3. was he qualified to perform the SOP
    4. Was the fooking SOP verified for technical correctness and signed by the plant manager


    My guess....NO!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by w3bny View Post
    Wonder if there was....


    1. An SOP in effect.
    2. Did he read and understand the SOP
    3. was he qualified to perform the SOP
    4. Was the fooking SOP verified for technical correctness and signed by the plant manager


    My guess....NO!!
    My guess is, "He's human, and humans make mistakes." Something that whoever designed the power grid failed to take into account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W1GUH View Post
    My guess is, "He's human, and humans make mistakes." Something that whoever designed the power grid failed to take into account.
    For some reason, this image came to mind:



    But, yeah, we don't know all the details yet so it's hard to criticize the person in question. He may have done everything correctly and it was a JOOTT—"Just One Of Those Things." You're right about the fragility of the electrical grid, though, there's no excuse for that.
    All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w3bny View Post
    Wonder if there was....


    1. An SOP in effect.
    2. Did he read and understand the SOP
    3. was he qualified to perform the SOP
    4. Was the fooking SOP verified for technical correctness and signed by the plant manager


    My guess....NO!!
    Could have been a case of ''measure twice, cut once.'' He was apparently confused by the map.

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    Being humble, I'll admit I make plenty of mistakes. But, I guess the number of people you make that mistake in front of does contribute to multiplying the "you idiot" factor. I'd say my best was about 10 people. That Utility Worker in my opinion has reached the unobtainable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KK4AMI View Post
    That Utility Worker in my opinion has reached the unobtainable!
    He got over four million people pissed off at him—a significant accomplishment.
    All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KK4AMI View Post
    Being humble, I'll admit I make plenty of mistakes. But, I guess the number of people you make that mistake in front of does contribute to multiplying the "you idiot" factor. I'd say my best was about 10 people. That Utility Worker in my opinion has reached the unobtainable!
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