I'm pretty sure the power running your city offsets whatever money our school district might have gotten from NYC... WNY: Powering NYC for 90 years and counting...Originally Posted by N2NH
I'm pretty sure the power running your city offsets whatever money our school district might have gotten from NYC... WNY: Powering NYC for 90 years and counting...
Actually we get most of our outside power from Hydro-Quebec. I'm sure that WNY gets plenty of $$$ for supplying NYC with any small amount of electricity, unlike the unreturned tax dollars collected from us. But please, based on your outrage, do let us know if WNY plans on supplying that pittance for free. I'm sure that would inspire interest here. It might make the area more famous for that than what it is famous for now. ;)
BTW:
But you know us New Yawk Eleeteests. LINK TO ABOVE.The average New Yorker consumes less than half of the electricity of someone who lives in San Francisco and nearly one-quarter the electricity consumed by someone who lives in Dallas. -- Wiki
There is also this set of facts. It puts to rest the not so factual allegations that you have made. Check out pages 12 through 14 and the nice picture which sez:
3.7 Gigawatts from Westchester (directly north of the city), 1 Gigawatt from New Jersey and 300 Megawatts from Long Island. The rest is generated internally. And since this is the latest information available on the web (2004), generation has increased inside the city to make it less dependent on outside sources since then.
If you have otherwise verifiable proof, please post it. Can't wait to get those billions of $$$ back from the state. Considering that this was decreed nearly a decade ago, I also hope to live long enough to see it spent here too. Nor can I wait to see the outrage of WNY for the monies NYC spends on their electricity.
“The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
--Philip K. Dick
Uh oh... Looks like WNY and NYC are battling it out, NYC got off with a few hard rights and a straight punch to the jaw staggering WNY but WNY came back with a series of hard jabs and a left to the temple staggering NYC momentarily. But so far neither has hit the canvas. Now NYC has come back with a few hard hits and has scored a few points. Will WNY be able to make a comeback ?? Stay tuned for the next round folks. Being that I'm betwixt east and west I am referee... or is that refugee ?
I keep my 2 feet on the ground, and my head in the twilight zone.
Sounds to me like WNY has an inferiority complex.
All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.
If that is the case, I wonder how NYC is getting Niagara Power Credits for cheap electric rates, while WNY's rates are some of the highest in the nation?
I'm cool with reserving cheap Niagara Credits for WNY, rather than allotting them to NYC...
You do know, that the power system functions on a grid, right? And, your power costs are offset by getting cheap Niagara Power Credits, right?BTW:
But you know us New Yawk Eleeteests. LINK TO ABOVE.
There is also this set of facts. It puts to rest the not so factual allegations that you have made. Check out pages 12 through 14 and the nice picture which sez:
3.7 Gigawatts from Westchester (directly north of the city), 1 Gigawatt from New Jersey and 300 Megawatts from Long Island. The rest is generated internally. And since this is the latest information available on the web (2004), generation has increased inside the city to make it less dependent on outside sources since then.
If you have otherwise verifiable proof, please post it. Can't wait to get those billions of $$$ back from the state. Considering that this was decreed nearly a decade ago, I also hope to live long enough to see it spent here too. Nor can I wait to see the outrage of WNY for the monies NYC spends on their electricity.
If you had to pay face value for the generation in your own boundaries, your price would be substantially higher.
lol
Not at all. We have no desire to be like NYC (We're already the second largest City in NYS)... And, I'm not one of those "Make NYC it's own state" groupies either.
However, unless you are ok with paying for road maintenance in my locale, don't expect me to shoulder the burden of a set of bridges I (As well as most of other NYS residents) will never use. They're not interstates, they're not interconnecting roads keeping the state adhesive. They are internal roads to NYS.
It would be akin to demanding money from the state to maintain the Sheridan Drive, or Main St. in Downtown Buffalo. Or, maintenance of the Skyway (Which is shouldered entirely by the CoB).
NYC needs to stop worrying about other's picking up the tab for their reckless use of cars.
NYC is a massive and incredibly busy place, to the point of mind boggling. NYC's mass transit system it's incoming and outgoing rail lines are already taxed to the max. Bikers, walkers ? the roads are filled with them. Unlike some other cities NYC is relatively friendly to bikers and pedestrians. But even with that massive mass transit system the roadways are taxed to the max as well. There is no getting arounf it. If NYC is going to run those roads are going to be filled with traffic all the time. Bottom line, it takes a lot to run a city as massive and as intensely busy as NYC. I've lived in or near it al my life and I am still amazed at what goes on there and what it takes to run the place. The traffic, the services, the tourism, the amount of work being done at any given moment. The place runs 24/365 thats for sure. No wonder NYC has the largest economy of any city in the USA and the second largest of any city on the world.
Not only can NYC be its own state, it could be its own country...literally.
Last edited by n2ize; 08-17-2011 at 11:24 AM.
I keep my 2 feet on the ground, and my head in the twilight zone.
I understand how busy NYC is. But, then, it should follow, NYC picks up it's own tab, right?
For the most part but I also thing shared funding is beneficial as well. For example NYC pays it back in goods and services, revenue, etc. that it generates for the state. For example, I have no problem with some of my money going towards helping Buffalo and other parts of the state to maintain its roads and infrastructure. I look at it as money spent to keep the state alive and functional as a whole.
I keep my 2 feet on the ground, and my head in the twilight zone.
I don't agree here. Perhaps interstates. Maybe State Highways. But, for one city to support another's infrastructure is just ridiculous, and leads to the ever spiraling problem of people will keep moving there, because they never see the full impact of their own choices.
It's the same reason why I am appalled whenever the MTA fund gets tapped for a project in Albany, Rochester, or Buffalo. The MTA should fund the MTA. NFTA should fund the NFTA.
Cities should pay for their own infrastructures, and not depend on outside funding for it. Because only then, will people learn the full cost of their decision for living in a particular area.
I see it differently. I like to look at the whole picture, the entire state so to speak. I think each part of the state contributes something or other to the entire body of the state and contribute to the states entire revenue base. That's why I have no problem with some of my money going to help fund infrastructure among other things in NYC or in Buffalo. At one time Buffalo provided a great deal of manufacturing and industrial products and during those times if a percentage of my money went to fund things that were beneficial to Buffalo's industrial progress then so be it because, it was ultimately good for the state. If some of my money nowadays goes to improve Buffalo's infrastructure so they can improve, for arguments sake, the tourist trade, the IT industry, or make things more desirable for new residents then so be it. It helps increase the tax base and, overall provides revenue for the state which is a good thing. Likewise, if NYC ca improve its roads and mass transit infrastructure making it more desirable for new employers to move into the region, more tourists to visit, etc. then overall it helps bring more jobs and revenue into the state. Its a win-win for everybody. That's why I am a firm believer in sharing of funds from region to region. I think it makes good sense with respect to the state as a whole and in the long haul. Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that we should go overboard with the idea of revenue sharing between areas. Local needs need to take priority. For instance, the critical needs of Buffalo shouldn't take a back seat to the needs of NYC or vice versa. But within reason shared capital makes sense and is beneficial to the state.
Think of it this way. It can also help me in a direct sense as well. As a resident of NY all areas are open to me.I may not live in Buffalo but it is a part of my home state and I may travel there and it is in my best interest that it's roads are well maintained and safe and its infrastructure in good condition. Likewise, the same conditions are important if or when I do business with companies that are located in Buffalo. If they can function better because more money was available to maintain infrastructure then I am better served. Likewise if you travel to NYC or conduct business with someone based in NYC. The better the infrastructure the better your needs are served.
So, direct or indirect I say sharing of capital is a worthwhile endeavor from which we all benefit.
Last edited by n2ize; 08-17-2011 at 04:27 PM.
I keep my 2 feet on the ground, and my head in the twilight zone.
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