When in doubt, reboot....

[W1GUH]

"Cable requires a cable modem to connect, there's software there to translate one medium into another. "

Aha! THERE's the disconnect here. But that's the good news...it's not in the computer I hook up to it. (Unlike that horrible AT&T DSL I had briefly. Their software took over my compter & it took me days to undo what it did.)

"No, not necessarily. Not all things can be tested in a lab. "

(Tongue in cheek, mostly)

The famous hi-tech disclaimer. Which translates to "We had a woefully under-funded deployment budget because our fat-cat bosses are greedy."

Notice I don't put the blame on the tech guys...I put it squarely on the "usual suspects." !! :twisted:;)

[KC2UGV]

"Cable requires a cable modem to connect, there's software there to translate one medium into another. "

Aha! THERE's the disconnect here. But that's the good news...it's not in the computer I hook up to it. (Unlike that horrible AT&T DSL I had briefly. Their software took over my compter & it took me days to undo what it did.)

You don't HAVE to have any software on ANY machine with DSL... The fact that you installed their software vs. doing it the "right way" was your fault, not a sign of one technology being better than the other; or one requiring software vs. the other not. BOTH require software somewhere.

"No, not necessarily. Not all things can be tested in a lab. "

(Tongue in cheek, mostly)

The famous hi-tech disclaimer. Which translates to "We had a woefully under-funded deployment budget because our fat-cat bosses are greedy."

Notice I don't put the blame on the tech guys...I put it squarely on the "usual suspects." !! :twisted:;)

No, really. New software versions are not usually a sign of lack of testing; but rather that not all combinations can be tested in a lab. Which is why you STILL see many versions of open-sourced software. Software development is iterative, not monolithic.

[n2ize]

"Cable requires a cable modem to connect, there's software there to translate one medium into another. "

Aha! THERE's the disconnect here. But that's the good news...it's not in the computer I hook up to it. (Unlike that horrible AT&T DSL I had briefly. Their software took over my compter & it took me days to undo what it did.)

"No, not necessarily. Not all things can be tested in a lab. "

(Tongue in cheek, mostly)

The famous hi-tech disclaimer. Which translates to "We had a woefully under-funded deployment budget because our fat-cat bosses are greedy."

Notice I don't put the blame on the tech guys...I put it squarely on the "usual suspects." !! :twisted:;)

I have to go with Corey on this one. Even the most skilled and experienced developer cannot anticipate every machine, every combination of software and hardware and every glitch,mode of use, etc.. which may cause problems. Anyone who claims they can produce flawless software right out of thhe box is either...lying, or, writing extremely simple software such as

> (print "Hello World")

:)

I will say however, that some of the new "made easy" langauges can make developers overly confident and more prone to errors. In the old days when we were using Assembly, Lisp, FORTRAN, and later C or coding directly in machine we were working more carefully and making fewer mistakes. Thats why I still prefer the old langauges. Of course back in those days most programnmers were Mathematicians, Physicists, Hippies, radicals, Potheads, acidheads, and they programmed out of a sense of love and passion for what they do as opposed to today when its just done for money. For them it was more like an art than a science.

[W1GUH]

"You don't HAVE to have any software on ANY machine with DSL... The fact that you installed their software vs. doing it the "right way" was your fault, not a sign of one technology being better than the other; or one requiring software vs. the other not. BOTH require software somewhere."

C'mon Corey...that "blaming the user" is getting very, very old. Is that a reflex, or what? I take that seroisly as a personal attack, something that's not supposed to be tolerated here. What IS it with you and that syndrome?

Blaming ME for follwing AT&T's instructions? Infinite shame on you. (Not gonna use the smilie, this is dead serious. )Do I have to go back to ignoring you?

These word are serious. Please stifle yourself when you've the urge to blame the user, OK?

[KC2UGV]

"You don't HAVE to have any software on ANY machine with DSL... The fact that you installed their software vs. doing it the "right way" was your fault, not a sign of one technology being better than the other; or one requiring software vs. the other not. BOTH require software somewhere."

C'mon Corey...that "blaming the user" is getting very, very old. Is that a reflex, or what? I take that seroisly as a personal attack, something that's not supposed to be tolerated here. What IS it with you and that syndrome?

Blaming ME for follwing AT&T's instructions? Infinite shame on you. (Not gonna use the smilie, this is dead serious. )Do I have to go back to ignoring you?

These word are serious. Please stifle yourself when you've the urge to blame the user, OK?

I blame you for choices you made. You chose to install the software. You installed the software. You made the claim that cable requires no software while DSL does. You chose not to hire someone to setup a network for you. You chose to not research how to do something the first time.

So, yes, the blame for your bad experience with DSL belongs to you.

You made the same dubious claim that Linux trashed a hard drive, while you decided to ignore error warnings.

Yes, 90% of the time a computer has issues, the user​ is at fault.

And should you choose to place me on ignore, so be it. But, don't blame me for poking holes in your dubious claims.

[n2ize]

Generally when you have DSL installed they leave you with a router that is connected to the Internet. Any modern network capable operating system should be able to connect to the router and run without any need for additional software. All the additional junk is just bells and whistles for accessing the providers web junk. Most people simply don't install it.