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    FCC Declaratory Ruling vis a vis HOA's

    OK, this isn't directly Amateur Radio oriented, but I think it's still of interest, especially to those of us who deal with, or know of those who have to deal with, unfair antenna restrictions -- especially ones imposed by HOA fascists.

    From today's FCC Digest:
    COREY & JUANITA WALKER. Granted the Petition for Declaratory Ruling.
    Action by: Deputy Chief, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/27/2011 by Declaratory Ruling. (DA No. 11-1271). MB
    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1271A1.doc
    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1271A1.pdf
    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1271A1.txt
    In this Declaratory Ruling, we grant a Petition (“Petition”) filed by Corey and Juanita Walker (“Petitioners”) and find that the antenna restrictions of Carriage Homes @ Town Square Condominium Homeowners Association (“Association”) in Virginia Beach, Virginia are prohibited by the Commission’s Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule, 47 C.F.R. § 1.4000 (“Rule”).
    Earlier this year, the Petitioners installed a satellite dish antenna on the balcony of their condominium, completely inside the area within their exclusive use or control and part of the unit that they rented.

    After installation, a represenative of the Association contacted the Petitioners and told
    them to remove the antenna.
    The next week, the Petitioners spoke with a representative of the Association’s management company who told them, among other things, that the Association was not governed by Commission rules and that the Petitioners had to remove their antenna.

    Finally, according to the Petition and not contradicted by the Association, someone entered the Petitioners condominium and took the antenna from their balcony, leaving the door to the unit open and frightening the Petitioners’ ten year old daughter when she returned home later from school.
    We find that the Association’s rules are invalid and unenforceable
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    I saw that. Unfortunately, those FCC rules only apply to "Over-the-Air Reception Devices ", i.e. DBS dishes and possibly TV antennas and do not include amateur radio antennas.
    All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ6BSO View Post
    I saw that. Unfortunately, those FCC rules only apply to "Over-the-Air Reception Devices ", i.e. DBS dishes and possibly TV antennas and do not include amateur radio antennas.
    And never will.
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    All true.

    However, the interesting parts of that regard the FCC's take on the HOA's various antenna regulations -- what they permit, where, why -- and which ones are invalid. Especially of interest are those regarding what you can do in your "exclusive" area as opposed to what's permitted in the "common" area.

    Like I said, not directly related, but it does demonstrate that the FCC has the last word over the HOA. And it helps set a precedent over what an HOA can regulate.
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    There is everything wrong with your living arrangement. Do not attempt to receive a picture. We are controlling your lives. If we wish to make you scream louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will muzzle you. We will control your lives. You can roll the your eyes, make them flutter. We can change your focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the rest of your stay here, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is everything wrong with your living arrangement. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... TOTAL HOA CONTROL!

    We find that the Association’s rules are invalid and unenforceable.

    OK, now you'll have to take us to court and try to stop us. You'll soon find out how money talks and pee-ons like you walk. Mister landLORD says "This is America where you have the ultimate freedom, the freedom to leave."

    "And it helps set a precedent over what an HOA can regulate."
    By the time the precedent gets into case law and becomes usable by your lawyer you'll be gone and under the thumb of yet another HOA. The kid's no Pollyanna, he's a realist.
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    And that's why I don't live in an HOA.
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    On the heels of the pseudo-legal breakin , I'd be danged sure that future "visits" were in full view of concealed cameras , preferably with audio too . That would go a long way toward giving the resident a leg up in future "negotiations".
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    HOA's can go shove it AFAIAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W5RB View Post
    On the heels of the pseudo-legal breakin , I'd be danged sure that future "visits" were in full view of concealed cameras , preferably with audio too . That would go a long way toward giving the resident a leg up in future "negotiations".
    I think a bullet would fix any future break ins.
    I am surprised at such a sudden deterioration in a woman whose only ailment was a lazy anus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC9ECI View Post
    I think a bullet would fix any future break ins.
    I was afeared for my very life!
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