I have a beautiful PVC and welding rod cubical quad that Charles and Brad picked up for me in Charlotte I think it was, it worked awesomely well with my VX2R too...... I do well with wire....... hidden in the trees, than I do with anything else. Charles and I did some dual band copper tubing j-poles once...... as I recall we ended up with like 2 that worked out of 5 and the 3 that didn't work were a total FAIL........ they didn't work ANYWHERE and for no apparent reason.