Okay, Albi, it's your turn! Tell us all what we want to know!
I'm curious about your history with the gubberment.
Okay, Albi, it's your turn! Tell us all what we want to know!
I'm curious about your history with the gubberment.
All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.
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If I were to tell you all about those years, I would have to travel out to the Left Coast, find you, and kill you. I like you, Carlo, so I would rather not.
Suffice to say, I went in the US Army in the mid-sixties. All of this was over forty-five years ago. I trained to kill with a bayonetat Fort Jax, SC, then I was trained to kill with subtler tools :shock: at the US Army Intelligence School, Fort Holabird in Balto, MD. I was assigned to duty in Europe with a military intelligence detachment and sent immediately to the USA Intelligence School at Oberammergau, Germany, where I spent the winter of 1964/65 in the Alps 8) studying all things German, including intensive study in the language. Upon graduation (third in the class with a final of 92.7, I might add
) I was assigned to duties as a counterintelligence agent attached to a division HQ in a CI section. :roll:
After a few months, I was promoted to SAIC of a resident office attached to an infantry brigade and div arty in another city (away from HQ), where I conducted investigations as ordered by higher HQ -- I had three "higher HQs" to which I reported.Much of the work was routine, such as background investigations and physical security inspections, and other work was not. Some of it was sensitive. I was an inspector on IG teams on occasion, because I was cleared for a bunch of code-name programs. None of it is going to be revealed on a public forum on the internet.
My ordinary duties often involved liaison with German civil and military authorities, and I periodically participated in military field exercises in field uniform (fatigues) -- mostly I wore civilian clothes and lived in an apartment downtown after I was relocated to my new office. Prior to that, I lived in the BOQ shown in the pic on my QRZ bio.
I could have made a career out of it, and was urged to do so by a number of well-meaning and honorable friends. LBJ, however, was practicing some serious escalatio by then, so I opted for a ticket back to the land of the round door knob, where I re-established myself in my former graphics occupation and lived happily ever after.
Unusual for someone with that background to become such an outspoken liberal, Albi. That alone says much about you.
All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.
Not everyone in the military is a dittohead, Carl. My brother is a retired Army Military Intelligence Colonel, and he's pretty liberal, as were some of his ex-coworkers. Never stopped him from doing his job, especially in the '80's.Originally Posted by KJ6BSO
A little bit of tangent here, sorry to steal your thunder Albert, but this whole concept of the military being made up of mostly right wing leaning people makes me think we need to reinstate the draft, without deferments. This would give a true cross section of society in the military, instead of the right leaning group we have now.
No theft involved, Dave. I agree totally.
One of the reasons Charlie Rangel was -- and remains -- a hero to me is that Rangel knew this at the gut level. Every new Congress, Rangel would introduce legislation to restore the peace-time draft. Most people misunderstood this, and Rangel always suffered bad press at the hands of both liberals and loonies.
What Rangel understood so clearly was that without a draft, war is detached from the public. It becomes a sort of "private matter" among the politicians, the defense industry and the professional military -- three groups that never saw a war they did not like. Unless the casualty lists are being nailed up on that Civil War monument down front of the courthouse, people have the opportunity to ignore whatever killing is taking place. After all, it is just a few "isolated" families here and there who lose a son to death or maiming. Unless the risk is shared generally among the whole public, the killing continues.
This nation has been in a constant state of war since 1947, when HST sent US troops into Greece. Since that time, US kids have been put in harm's way every year, by every president or either party. With the notable exceptions of Korea and VN, most of the actions have been small -- that is, they were small until the idiot Bush Dynasty valued oil above US lives.
Had the draft still been on the books when the Bushes began their oleaginous crusades, VN style demonstrations and mass incidences of civil disobedience may have saved some of the lives that were sacrificed to stupidity and greed. That Obama continues this evil tradition does not give me any satisfaction.
anyone who dreamed otherwise hasn't the sense god gave geese.
Let us return those, who wish no part of it, once again into the flesh grinder in a hope that somehow it will reign in our completely insane and out of control government fits me as quite morbid.
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Why? Let those who can see through it all be spared the Bravo Sierra. Efficiently providing shot off asses for those bone headed enough to suck God, Wall Street, and their corrupt, money is everything, politico masters.
I don't necessarily agree with that appraisal, Carl. A bit of insightful reflection should ignite for you a few torches in the darker corners of security work. Consider, for example, the kinds of personal profiles that might generate inquiries as to an individual's loyalty, and then extrapolate to the kinds of insinuations that might lead to a formal investigation. The "Army-McCarthy Hearings" taught the Army as much as they taught McCarthy.
I understand what you're saying but you have to admit there were hundreds--if not thousands--of other people with backgrounds similar to yours who have not seen the light, metaphorically speaking. That's what I meant when I said it says much of you. You were able to absorb a lesson that many others have not. Kudos to you, my friend.
Last edited by NQ6U; 10-31-2010 at 08:46 PM.
All the world’s a stage, but obviously the play is unrehearsed and everybody is ad-libbing his lines. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to tell if we’re living in a tragedy or a farce.
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