Stun gun countermeasures.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

The TASER has been billed as a "Less Than Lethal" solution.
However there are also firearm rounds billed as less than lethal
http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/
Some feel that simply by using a different round this will render the weapon safe.
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....hanlethal-ammo
Yet we have had a security guard state that he was confused and shot someone with a pistol and not a TASER, yet we are expecting someone to be able to keep rounds segregated?
Anyhow, it was decided that if the Republicans or Tea Party take over Texas the schematics and technical drawings of the very much lethal TASER countermeasures device would be published.
This is 100% based on the device that some USA personnel in Iraq were Using on the Civil population.
Again, the device can be used for torture and to stun but really is built to kill.
This was not my decision and I am against this.

Thank you.

[ki4itv]

My main countermeasure is to maintain a rather large and safe distance from any LEO who looks stressed in any way.

[N8YX]

If you are doing nothing wrong, Citizen, you have nothing to fear - or to hide.

[ki4itv]

If you never look like you're doing anything wrong, Citizen, you have nothing to fear - or to hide.

fixed;)


Perception is 9.9/10ths of probable cause.

[n2ize]

fixed;)


Perception is 9.9/10ths of probable cause.

It's very hard because if you "never look like you are doing anything wrong: then you are suspicious of trying not to look suspicious.

It's like the criteria I heard for looking for suspicious people at airports..

1) If they dress too warm they are probably hiding something.
2) if they don;t dress to warm then they are trying not to look suspicious and therefore are suspicious.
3) If the person shuins crowds they are suspicious
4) if they stay in crowds they are suspicious and are deliberately trying to blend in.
5) If they seem nervous they are suspicious
6) if they appear too calm and relaxed they are suspicious
7) if they appear neither nervous or to calm they are suspicious
8) if they are acting strange they are suspicious
9) If they are normal they are suspicious and deliberately trying to divert attention.
10) walk too fast...suspicious
11) walk too slow... suspicious
12) Walk at medium...normal speed...suspicious.

In short...you can't win.

[W3WN]

If you are doing nothing wrong, Citizen, you have nothing to fear - or to hide.

I know a pizza shop owner in Mt. Lebanon who would disagree with you.

He was having an argument with a cop in front of his store regarding a disagreement over use of a parking space in front of his shop. The cop ended the argument by zapping the guy with his Taser. Put the guy in the hospital for a few days.

If I recall the newspaper account correctly, this cost the municipality (and it's insurance carrier) several million dollars.

[N8YX]

I know a pizza shop owner in Mt. Lebanon who would disagree with you.

He was having an argument with a cop in front of his store regarding a disagreement over use of a parking space in front of his shop. The cop ended the argument by zapping the guy with his Taser. Put the guy in the hospital for a few days.

If I recall the newspaper account correctly, this cost the municipality (and it's insurance carrier) several million dollars.

Guy should show deference to The Man. After all...they're always correct in what they say and do.

[W3WN]

I don't recall the full story, I'd have to look it up. As I recall, though, the pizza shop owner wasn't in the wrong, he was just getting animated and worked up.

That being said... zapping someone with a heart condition with a Taser because (and only) he won't shut up when he's asked to by a cop is wrong. Cite him for disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, place him under arrest, all sorts of other options weret availble.

Reaching for the Taser FIRST is way over the line. And I don't care if there was provocation, the cops are supposed to be trained to know better -- and I was told THAT by a Whitehall (PA) cop we know socially (best man at my son's wedding, for one)

[w3bny]

And what the police tell the public and what they actually do are two different animals! Like in P.G county here in MD. Guy hung himself in his cell with his shoe laces. Too bad no inmate is issues laces or shoes with laces. Lets go to the video...OOPS...seems the recorder in his cell mysteriously went tits up 15 minutes before the "suicide" and came back on after he did the deed.

riiiight.

On edit...

I dont get animated, upset, uptight, or anything with any LEO. Especially if its in the line of duty. All I gotta do is flail arms and say 110Mph..are you crazy..next thing the radio call for crazy meskin with a gun goes out and I get triple tapped to the melon and earn a rusty .38 in my left hand.

[N8YX]

And what the police tell the public and what they actually do are two different animals! Like in P.G county here in MD. Guy hung himself in his cell with his shoe laces. Too bad no inmate is issues laces or shoes with laces. Lets go to the video...OOPS...seems the recorder in his cell mysteriously went tits up 15 minutes before the "suicide" and came back on after he did the deed.

riiiight.

"When good tune-ups go bad!"

Isolated incident.