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    SK Member (12/16/2011) W3MIV's Avatar
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    The evolution of an antenna...

    My first HF antenna at this QTH was a 90' wire tuned by an ICOM AH-4 auto tuner. The trees were small, all outdoor antennae verboten, and stealth was the name of the game. The tuner was mounted to the wall outside, just above the basement shack, and though it was rated for 80 thru six, it worked surprisingly well on 160 -- though highly directional. All went fairly well until the aluminum siding was replaced by vinyl; all manner of bizarre RF issues suddenly intervened.

    The trees having grown, as trees are wont to do, I decided to put a wire dipole up in place of the AH-4. Casting about for a design that would fit and be well hidden from the antenna nazis, I pored over the ARRL antenna compendia in search of some magic solution to my lot and my desires to reach as low on the bands as possible.

    I decided to try Louis Varney's ubiquitous G5RV. A host of complications badgered me -- the 34' feed line was much longer than I could manage and the wire itself was a bit long for the only spot I had that would hide it.

    Irv (I cannot now remember his call, but he was the QRZ curmudgeon from Sacramento who lurked in the Q&A forum waiting a chance to pounce upon the innocently ignorant awardees of modern licenses, skewering them for their lack of technical prowess) put me on the griddle about the G5RV and kept insisting that I read up on "conjugate matching." I confess, at the time, I thought he was citing a marriage manual.

    I was led, by the nose perhaps, to obtain a copy of "Reflections," Walt Maxwell's (W2DU) classic treatise on transmission lines and antennae, and Mr Maxwell led me to understand that those dreaded SWRs that threaten one's peace and sleep are highly over-rated as gremlins waiting to destroy one's station. If there is any single book that has influenced my on-going development as an amateur, I would put Reflections at the head of the list.

    I put 100' of insulated, 12ga wire into the trees, fed it with twisted 300Ω window line cut, not to some length from a wavelength table, but merely to fit the distance needed, attached a 1:1 current balun and made the final entry with a minimal length of coax. That antenna, with a good transmatch, works well from 80 through ten, yielding good performance -- though, as with any multi-band dipole, the lobes vary and coverage changes around the rose; also, I cannot get the antenna high enough to achieve a really low launch angle. Compromise is a large part of what I have to do.

    My first rig was an IC-725, and I used an old Heathkit 2060a tuner. Antenna performed like a champ. Growing a bit bolder, I bought a used IC-746Pro and shipped it off to Bellevue WA and had the techs at ICOM wring it out and bring it up to spec (ICOM would update any rig still in production free-of-charge). I swapped out the Heath tuner and substituted Martin Jue's fine 993B auto-tuner. The antenna continued to perform flawlessly. Finally, I retired the 746 and brought in a brandy new 756ProIII and added an AL80B with a full-limit Versa-Tuner (both of which I rarely use -- I bought the amp specifically to work Peter I Island but ended up doing so barefoot).

    A bit over two years ago, my neighbor's Bradford Pear tree invaded my fenceline during a storm, taking out the antenna mast, snapping the dipole legs and supports, and bringing the entire system down in a tangle.

    I have now replicated the antenna, and I hope shortly to have it back in the air. Alas, my schedule is complicated and crowded at present, so I cannot predict when I will be ready. I look forward to meeting some of you on the air; I will post on the sked forum when I can.
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    Hope to find you back in the air soon.

    Not much trouble with antenna nazi's, but since i know our law too well, i ironed out the kinks i thought i would get, resulting in the mayor and his merry men to be very forthcomming with helping us hams out.

    The housing firm renting out this house had a whiff of a try to get my antennna's gone, after a 23 page defense with all laws explicitely named and an demand of 500 euro a day if they removed my stuff, i never heard from them again, just that the person that started the action was laid off.

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    That ROCKS, Albi!

    I too am amazed at the silliness over SWR's. It's what gets radiated that counts...
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    of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?" ~ Professor "Dick" Soloman



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    Quote Originally Posted by W3MIV View Post
    Irv (I cannot now remember his call, but he was the QRZ curmudgeon from Sacramento who lurked in the Q&A forum waiting a chance to pounce upon the innocently ignorant awardees of modern licenses, skewering them for their lack of technical prowess) put me on the griddle about the G5RV and kept insisting that I read up on "conjugate matching." I confess, at the time, I thought he was citing a marriage manual.
    That would be Baby (H)UEY K6UEY, my neighbor to the South of the Tomato.

    Great story!
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    Heheh, I've talked to that silly son of a... heheh.
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    of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?" ~ Professor "Dick" Soloman



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    Good story, Albi, nice to see you can write as well about ham radio as you can about politics! I am relatively lucky in that my home burg is lenient about allowing antennas, my only restriction being the XYL veto. I am gradually wearing her down, though.

    I too learned a lot from reading "Reflections," and I would recommend it to any amateur radio operator. I have a PDF of it and would be happy to send a copy to anyone who wants one. Just PM me with your e-mail address.

    So, get that antenna up ASAP, Albi--I'd love to have a QSO with you one of these days. My station is also very modest but it gets out very well on 20m, especially in the PSK31 mode.
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    At one time, I worked digital modes almost exclusively, and I packed a bunch of log entries in PSK31 and RTTY. In fact, I am an early member of the European PSK club, holding number 59 in that august body. Variations in typing abilities, however, gradually began to irritate me. Some guys could never figure out that you could type ahead, building an entire reply as you read the lines screening up. Watching one letter slowly appear after another became tiresome. I gradually fell away from twenty for PSK because of the "wham, bam, thankee ma'am" contacts that obviated long, chatty QSOs -- which, to my mind (as a raconteur and bullshit artist), are the raison d'etre of amateur radio. Seventeen and forty are far more pleasant.

    Thanks, Dave, for reminding me of UEY. I got his name close, but no cigar. As I now remember, it was Orv, not Irv. Irascible sucker, but knowledgeable and his style, though obnoxious, forced you to think a process out. He would not give easy answers. Never had the pleasure of a QSO, though. Wonder if he's still giving 'em hell over there.
    73 de Albi

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    Quote Originally Posted by W3MIV View Post
    Thanks, Dave, for reminding me of UEY. I got his name close, but no cigar. As I now remember, it was Orv, not Irv. Irascible sucker, but knowledgeable and his style, though obnoxious, forced you to think a process out. He would not give easy answers. Never had the pleasure of a QSO, though. Wonder if he's still giving 'em hell over there.
    Sadly, no. With the new "kinder, gentler" incarnation of the place, inflammable commentary is no longer condoned.

    Mr. Maxwell's observations regarding transmission-line radiation, balanced feedline and a load which is much shorter than an electrical 1/2 wavelength are in error - the underlying physics having been substantiated by myself and a couple other ham/RF engineer friends. Given the fact that no one dares piss on "their golden boy" these days, I will refrain from replying to select comments by Walt in a number of threads. Some of which even witnessed 'GQ getting the answer correct but nevertheless being "silverbacked" off to the sidelines ... :roll:
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8YX View Post
    Mr. Maxwell's observations regarding transmission-line radiation, balanced feedline and a load which is much shorter than an electrical 1/2 wavelength are in error - the underlying physics having been substantiated by myself and a couple other ham/RF engineer friends. Given the fact that no one dares piss on "their golden boy" these days, I will refrain from replying to select comments by Walt in a number of threads. Some of which even witnessed 'GQ getting the answer correct but nevertheless being "silverbacked" off to the sidelines ... :roll:
    While I don't intend to get into a major argument, I have used Maxwell's 90'-100' dipole fed with 300Ω window line cut to minimum dimension needed to fit the site and it has worked for me on 80 precisely as he indicated it would. I confess that I have neither the background nor the equipment to make sophisticated analyses of his work, but the practical results I have obtained verify his recommendation. Forgive my bluntness, but I shall stick with him.
    73 de Albi

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    Quote Originally Posted by W3MIV View Post
    While I don't intend to get into a major argument, I have used Maxwell's 90'-100' dipole fed with 300Ω window line cut to minimum dimension needed to fit the site and it has worked for me on 80 precisely as he indicated it would. I confess that I have neither the background nor the equipment to make sophisticated analyses of his work, but the practical results I have obtained verify his recommendation. Forgive my bluntness, but I shall stick with him.
    Which it will, because the radiator in question isn't substantially shorter that a half wavelength at the desired frequency. Now try that trick with, say, a 50-foot (overall) dipole and it'll still work after a fashion...but...at 'low' (3-4 MHz and below) frequencies, the feedline will comprise part of the antenna. This is the point of contention I speak of - Maxwell claims the feedline won't radiate under such conditions and a number of folks (including myself) opine that it will...
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