Mac Versus PC

[n6hcm]

You don't find Perl, awk, sed, grep, find and a bunch more command line utilities that make Windows cmd look like a bootstrap loader, useful?

cygwin.

[KC2UGV]

You don't find Perl, awk, sed, grep, find and a bunch more command line utilities that make Windows cmd look like a bootstrap loader, useful?

There's three things right there at support regular expressions. Windows? Not so much.

Sure, you get those on a Linux box. And you get stuck running XFree86 or Xorg. Neither of those make my nipples twinge.

Why are you stuck using XFree or Xorg? And, what don't you like about those? They basically just provide a video driver...

[ka8ncr]

Why are you stuck using XFree or Xorg? And, what don't you like about those? They basically just provide a video driver...

What else are you going to use for video on Linux?

The problem is that they are terribly slow. Gnome is a good looking UI, but by the time you get that stapled onto a window manager driven by X, it's not particularly a good experience.

[KC2UGV]

What else are you going to use for video on Linux?

The problem is that they are terribly slow. Gnome is a good looking UI, but by the time you get that stapled onto a window manager driven by X, it's not particularly a good experience.

Fresco, Y Window Manager, DirectFB, MicroXWin...

You have several options available.

As for it being "slow", compared to what? With a proper driver loaded, I've yet to see anything that's "faster" than X. Win32 and MacOS windowing is no faster than X. In fact, the windowing system is a moot point really when comparing speed alone. I've not seen any of them being faster than any other.

If it's Gnome that's slow, you have countless alternatives. BlackBox, XFCE, Ratpoison are among some of the fastest display managers I've seen, and beat the pants off of Win32 and MacOS when basing on speed alone.

[n2ize]

Always liked PCs and I don't feel that I've missed anything. Wouldn't mind running Mac OS on the PC, but otherwise, there's nothing I find useful on a Mac. I even trouble-shot a down Mac Laptop a few years ago. Talk about building better idiots, someone found a way to munge the startup files.

I have found that Macs have a real place in my life though. Picked one up on the sidewalk in the trash the other day. It makes a great doorstop.

I re-engineered a few macs in my day. Talk about a nightmare. They seem pretty nice when they're running but the hardware looks like a bunch of Kindergaten kids designed it. Whew.

[n2ize]

Fresco, Y Window Manager, DirectFB, MicroXWin...

You have several options available.

As for it being "slow", compared to what? With a proper driver loaded, I've yet to see anything that's "faster" than X. Win32 and MacOS windowing is no faster than X. In fact, the windowing system is a moot point really when comparing speed alone. I've not seen any of them being faster than any other.

If it's Gnome that's slow, you have countless alternatives. BlackBox, XFCE, Ratpoison are among some of the fastest display managers I've seen, and beat the pants off of Win32 and MacOS when basing on speed alone.

Actually I've never run into any major issues with the speed of any window manager. Only thing that was ever a nightmare for me was Winders. I sure as heck don;t mind using PC's as long as I don't havta use Winders.

[ad4mg]

Actually I've never run into any major issues with the speed of any window manager. Only thing that was ever a nightmare for me was Winders. I sure as heck don;t mind using PC's as long as I don't havta use Winders.

Windows is a capable operating system, but I resent having to constantly pay for expensive upgrades. I stopped the upgrade cycle here at XP Pro. I won't have Vista or Windows 7 unless I buy a computer with it pre-installed. There's just no reason to shell out all that money when modern, capable, and up to date Linux distributions of all flavors are available for free.

Plus, I don't miss constantly working on the computers to remove viruses, trojans, and malware. I've settled on Ubuntu for all of my PC's, except my wife's laptop. She just can't seem to get comfortable with another OS.

[W1GUH]

I re-engineered a few macs in my day. Talk about a nightmare. They seem pretty nice when they're running but the hardware looks like a bunch of Kindergaten kids designed it. Whew.

The whole company behaves like it's all Kindergarten kids.

[W4GPL]

Actually I've never run into any major issues with the speed of any window manager.

Yeah, I run Gnome (albeit pretty stripped back) on an AMD Athlon 2000 with 786MB of RAM. It's not fast, but it isn't horribly slow either. Running Blackbox makes it only marginally faster.

[KC2UGV]

Yeah, I run Gnome (albeit pretty stripped back) on an AMD Athlon 2000 with 786MB of RAM. It's not fast, but it isn't horribly slow either. Running Blackbox makes it only marginally faster.

I've not seen any extreme performance bumps in switching windowing systems, at all. Blackbox and Ratpoison are my favorites, due to speed. But, it isn't performance speed, but rather a model of efficiency (my hands seldom leave the keyboard).