Are "roger beeps", or otherwise known as those courtesy beeps at the end of a transmission, generally frowned upon?
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Are "roger beeps", or otherwise known as those courtesy beeps at the end of a transmission, generally frowned upon?
I have personally hunted down and killed hams who use roger beeps.
Okay, not really, but they are indeed frowned upon and I have gently suggested to new hams that they turn their roger beeps off.
Yes, they are considered to be sporn of the CB devils...
Well, I HATE when people say "roger" or "roger roger" and even worse "over" every time they finish a sentence. I just wondered why these tones aren't used to signal the end of a transmission... Instead of the GAWD-awful and heavily dreaded "over."
Over.
It's important to recognize the difference between a repeater courtesy tone and a tone generated by the individual ham operator's transceiver. Repeater courtesy tones are fine.
Typically, you know when the transmission is over by the context but in cases where it's ambiguous, you just give your call sign and say "Back to you."
10-4.
over.
In SSB, it was once common (in a galaxy far far away) to use a tone at the end of each transmission due to the nature of the mode vs other modes like AM and FM. Reason being is that in difficult or poor conditions, the op on the receiving end was not always aware of when the transmitting op was finished talking.
Then came NASA on TV and millions of people heard the end beeps at the end of each time an astronaut talked to Houston/Cape C and naturally a lot of people using CB thought this was cooler than edamame feng shui and it was adapted in AM and the rest is histronic.
We don't typically say 'over' on the repeaters or simplex channels around here. Even in the days when FM rigs didn't have S meters, you could tell when the other guy stopped transmitting. If the hams in your area are so slow that you can't tell when they've ended on FM, relocation is indicated. On SSB it can be a little more difficult, but if both parties are using VOX it doesn't matter - you are supposed to carry on a 'normal' conversation - with short transmissions like you were talking on a telephone. When you aren't talking, the rig switches over to receive automagically.
There are actual ham rigs that have roger beeps from the factory?
That's a frightening thought in itself...
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Originally Posted by KG4NEL
I know Baofengs do. As well as a part 90 emergency tone, which we are getting an ear full of on the 9100 reflector right now.
To be honest, I haven't a clue as to what that is. I always thought the emergency tone was "Somebody get their ass over here now!" :D
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Originally Posted by KG4NEL
Pretty much!
But the Baofengs have an emergency "siren" that part 90 users can activate. Someone was using it on the 9100 reflector earlier. It sounds like one of those personal alarm gadgets that the sell next to the pepper spray.
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That sounds like something that would get me to buy said pepper spray.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9CCH
Let us not forget the 5-tone Mississippi Mule Farts which are popular with the 11M crowd...and whose users sometimes forget to turn off when they venture back onto 10M to resume their 10-10 numbers chasing.
I honestly don't see a problem with roger beeps if you're doing simplex. It does designate end of transmission. But the idiots who leave them on when they switch to a repeater need to be shot.
I was guilty of that (On simplex) while learning the radio. Now, I've got it programmed for "Site Mode", so it only does an audible alarm, and not over RF.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9CCH
If the roger beep was good enough for NASA then its good enough for me. IMO all this frowning on stuff is stupid. Ohhh, you shouldn't use a roger beep, you'll look like a retard. No wonder people double with each other all the time, because its never certain that you know when someone has finished speaking! Of course there's the callsigns and handovers etc, but I'd rather hear a quick beep than alpha bravo blah blah blah kilo nine blah blah blah zzzzzzz
I'm tempted to make a roger beep that quickly says DE MW0UZO K in fast CW.
I'm not sure how things are in the UK or Europe but in the US, most repeaters have a courtesy tone that sounds when the carrier drops on the input frequency. That makes roger beeps not only unnecessary, but annoying as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mw0uzo
In fact, just 'K' at about 1/2 audio volume, 800Hz would be fast and imo inoffensive.
@BSO - Yes, i'm thinking more for HF simplex use.
Yeah, maybe, although I've never heard a roger beep on HF or seen an HF rig that has that feature. I've only heard them coming from Chinese VHF/UHF FM rigs and "import" 10m rigs that are actually not legal for sale here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mw0uzo
And, there would have to be a switch that changed K to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWqmMU1YhI
if anyone complained about it, teehee.
Sadly the practical use of such a feature is swamped by the ham disapproving BS and the toy nature on CB. Shame really.Quote:
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The Colorado Connection repeater system uses a "K" as a courtesy tone. The "main" system on the front range uses a fast "K", with the outlying repeaters using a slower "K", which lets the system users know that it's linked, and needs a bit more time to drop.
Outlying repeaters are linked via UHF. Pretty cool stuff, that fast and slow "K".
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Fixed to show my ire toward annoying roger beeps!Quote:
Originally Posted by KG4NEL
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