Gas mileage of ethanol-added gasoline?

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Originally Posted by N1LAF

Gas mileage does increase with non-ethanol gasoline.

Here is the crazy part, You have to consume more ethanol based gasoline than non-gasoline to go the same distance. Ethanol based gasoline produces more CO2 for the same distanc

e as non-ethanol based gasoline. Ethanol based gasoline releases more CO2 to the environment than non-ethanol gasoline? Where are the AGW alarmists?

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burning ethanol actually produces 54% more CO2 as global warming pollutant than gasoline due to the fact that ethanol has lower fuel efficiency.
http://www.intota.com/docs/ethanol-pollution.asp

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This "Expert" uses calcs based on dodecane...Try using octane..54% goes to like 0%.
Thanks for the info though.
My personal favorite was " Octane (n-dodecane):" like WTF man???
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Throwing out all the facts and figures and pontificating... I don't put that shit in my car's gas tank unless I'm stuck. Personal experience tells me that 100% sure gasoline is better performing and is less taxing on the car itself. [/eof]

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Originally Posted by W4GPL

Throwing out all the facts and figures and pontificating... I don't put that shit in my car's gas tank unless I'm stuck. Personal experience tells me that 100% sure gasoline is better performing and is less taxing on the car itself. [/eof]

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It might get you less gas mileage, but in today's cars (Which are designed to burn it), it's just as good as gasoline. Computer control monitors burn, and controls air/fuel mixture into optimal settings.

As a matter of fact, my owners manual says to specifically avoid ethanol based gasoline if possible. But everyone else is an expert...

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Originally Posted by KC2UGV

It might get you less gas mileage, but in today's cars (Which are designed to burn it), it's just as good as gasoline. Computer control monitors burn, and controls air/fuel mixture into optimal settings.

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It's not "just as good as gasoline." It is marginally worse.

Flex fuel vehicles designed to run E85 have to have stainless steel hoses and gas tanks because that alcohol shit is so corrosive. You don't find that in most regular cars.

And that's just for cars - small engines in lawn mowers, generators, go-karts etc are being ruined by the thousands because of ethanol which picks up water like a sponge.

In fact it can't even be piped for very long distances because it is so hygroscopic. This is why you won't find many flex fuel gas stations outside of the corn belt. It has to be trucked, which means more diesel fuel being burned (and more CO2 in the air) by tankers driving from the corn belt to out of state refineries.

It's another stupid Government mandate that the auto manufacturers have to work around. GM, Chrysler and Ford are the only ones really putting out flex fuel vehicles anyway.

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Originally Posted by W4GPL

As a matter of fact, my owners manual says to specifically avoid ethanol based gasoline if possible. But everyone else is an expert...

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And you have a Ford... who makes E85 flex fuel vehicles too.

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Originally Posted by W4GPL

As a matter of fact, my owners manual says to specifically avoid ethanol based gasoline if possible. But everyone else is an expert...

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Of course it does. You don't have a duel-fuel vehicle :) However, it runs just fine with the 10% ethanol. And, I'm not an expert: I asked my mechanic, and two friends who are mechanics.

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Originally Posted by N2RJ

And you have a Ford... who makes E85 flex fuel vehicles too.

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Which mine is not. When I got the car, they gave me a very bright red addendum to the owners manual that specifically covered ethanol fuels and and octane. Our regular grade gas in Colorado is 85 octane, where as in the most parts of the country it's 87 -- this is due to the elevation. They stressed that you should only use 87 octane or greater and avoid ethanol blends.

And what you said about lawn mowers and other small engines is true. Ethanol clearly degrades parts faster, people like Corey can argue with me until they're blue in the face with facts and Wikipedia snippets, but I've seen if with my own two eyes. I don't need to read through dozens of forums posts and bullshit politically based data to know the truth.

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Originally Posted by KC2UGV

Of course it does. You don't have a duel-fuel vehicle :) However, it runs just fine with the 10% ethanol. And, I'm not an expert: I asked my mechanic, and two friends who are mechanics.

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No, it specifically said to even avoid 10% blends. See above.

Ethanol as a gasoline additive is a scam perpetuated on us by politicians on both sides of the aisle who are pandering to farm interests in the Midwest, simple as that. It started out as a well-intentioned attempt at reducing the country's dependence on imported oil but it turned into yet another pork barrel project that neither Republican or Democrat has the will to label as the environmentally unsound boondoggle it actually is.

Money talks, boys...