Another 37 Billion $ down the drain.

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Let's watch the name calling. Poopyhead would be a more PC response.

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I dunno. The Jerky Boys 'sweetcheeks' has a certain something...

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Which doesn't change my main point: We purportedly need to slash the social safety net programs, which in totality are less than a single DoD boondoggle program.

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It actually does. You are trying to frame welfare spending as an insignificant piece of the pie. It's not.

The sequester was a $90 billion cut to the increase in spending, spread out across the federal budget. The President seems to think that it spells doom for the country. Yet $78 billion in food stamps plus how much else for social programs is insignificant?

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It actually does. You are trying to frame welfare spending as an insignificant piece of the pie. It's not.

The sequester was a $90 billion cut to the increase in spending, spread out across the federal budget. The President seems to think that it spells doom for the country. Yet $78 billion in food stamps plus how much else for social programs is insignificant?

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$78 billion for an entire swath of social safety net programs vs. $122 billion for a single project in the DoD...

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$78 billion for an entire swath of social safety net programs vs. $122 billion for a single project in the DoD...

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Yes, I agree that we waste too much on useless boondoggles, some of which are defense related. Never said that we didn't.

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Which doesn't change my main point: We purportedly need to slash the social safety net programs, which in totality are less than a single DoD boondoggle program.

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What we NEED to do is quit re-electing some of these bozos (apologies to all real Bozos out there, and clowns in general as well), and start electing some actual leaders who will be willing to set aside partisian politics and actually LEAD (*gasp!*), who will be willing to work for the good of the country, not sway to the winds of the current political party and sell out to whatever will get them re-elected.

Problem is, the people who are best equipped to do that are all too smart to be willing to run for office.

One failed plane = 1 project of the army = 400 billion up to now.
4 years social service which helps millions one failed plane is just taking space before it gets scrapped.

I honestly don't care so much about the money. I care about the principle. Let people work for their money. Is work really that bad? I have been told by people that they should be given the option to not work and still live a decent life. Not retirement, but while they are young and able bodied.

If you really fall flat on your ass, yes you should get help. But if you have no desire to lift a finger, then society should not be taking care of you. And if you come to this country to go on welfare, unless you are facing persecution and are a genuine refugee, then you really have no business being here.

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I honestly don't care so much about the money. I care about the principle. Let people work for their money. Is work really that bad? I have been told by people that they should be given the option to not work and still live a decent life. Not retirement, but while they are young and able bodied.

If you really fall flat on your ass, yes you should get help. But if you have no desire to lift a finger, then society should not be taking care of you. And if you come to this country to go on welfare, unless you are facing persecution and are a genuine refugee, then you really have no business being here.

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Which is exactly what welfare is: Median time spent collecting benefits is 19 months.

"$78 billion for an entire swath of social safety net programs vs. $122 billion for a single project in the DoD."

Too many guns and too little butter eventually brought down the Soviet Union.

"And if you come to this country to go on welfare, unless you are facing persecution and are a genuine refugee, then you really have no business being here."

That sounds uncannily Australian re: boat people.

"Which is exactly what welfare is: Median time spent collecting benefits is 19 months."

In NJ it's called Workfare. It works like Unemployment, the able bodied are required to actively seek work and homeless seek permanent shelter and fill in search forms just like Unemployment. Contacts, ten per week must be verifiable and forms submitted every two weeks, those who fail to actively seek work/shelter are disqualified. The disabled waiting for SSD to kick in are exempt from the search, however doctor's certification must be submitted monthly. Again failure results in disqualification.