Linux Laptops ?

Supposedly Fedora handles UEFI quite painlessly.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/...ide/index.html

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142464

Yeah, which is why the project fields hundreds of requests a day..

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Originally Posted by W4GPL

You just need to make sure you know what you're buying. There are systems with these types of UEFI (the term is getting polluted) that would make it difficult to install certain distros. Corey is right that I may have over stated the concerns, but you can find yourself in the dark if you make the wrong choice. Also I'm starting to see storage devices that cater to just Windows.. it fucking sucks.

And by the way Corey, RedHat was dead wrong to do that. It's appalling that they'd even consider getting in bed with those thugs.

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Okay, but how do I know what I am buying ? How do I know if the machine I am buying supports firmware that readily enables me to turn off UEFI and run in legacy mode without a whole lot of hassles. ? What if I just buy a bare bones machine with no operating system installed ? Or buy a MB, processor and build up my own system ? Frankly I am not interested in Windows, just hardware that I can install my favorite distros with no hassles , no problems, and without having to turn to Microsoft or pay Micro$$oft for permission to use Linux on hardware that I purchase and own ? If I need to build it myself then so be it. I am not going to let Microsoft rob me of my right to us the OS and software of my choice.

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Originally Posted by W4GPL

You just need to make sure you know what you're buying. There are systems with these types of UEFI (the term is getting polluted) that would make it difficult to install certain distros. Corey is right that I may have over stated the concerns, but you can find yourself in the dark if you make the wrong choice. Also I'm starting to see storage devices that cater to just Windows.. it fucking sucks.

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Yes, I was swapping the E and U lol.

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And by the way Corey, RedHat was dead wrong to do that. It's appalling that they'd even consider getting in bed with those thugs.

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You can be technically wrong, but still doing the right thing. And, you can be technically right, but still doing the wrong thing.

RedHat is a distro provider catering to business units. Businesses need it to work, and Redhat did it. I could see it being "appalling", if say Debian, or Slackware did it. But Redhat? That's their bread and butter, and they needed it to get installs on the newer HP stuff flawlessly.

That being said, if I were an OEM, I would just ship it disabled. Secure boot seems like a solution looking for a problem.

Screen shot of a custom system that was built last year. Windows XP and Windows 7 loaded, works fast.

UEFI Boot disabled.

ANOTHER reason to avoid Windows 8 if it requires UEFI.

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Originally Posted by N1LAF

ANOTHER reason to avoid Windows 8 if it requires UEFI.

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afaik, it doesn't. i have it loaded on a ten-year-old laptop (built before UEFI existed).

this is kinda interesting, though.

Here's another thing, I have loaded a beta version of Win 8 in VMware, don't think there is a UEFI in VM.

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Originally Posted by N1LAF

Here's another thing, I have loaded a beta version of Win 8 in VMware, don't think there is a UEFI in VM.

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UEFI isn't required for installs of Windows. It's required for OEM's to install it.

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Originally Posted by KC2UGV

UEFI isn't required for installs of Windows. It's required for OEM's to install it.

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Of course, that makes sense. Reload OS without verification, because the UEFI will take care of this(Microsoft angle). That is what it is probably about.

http://www.uefi.org/about/

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