Detroit, huh? Keep a close check on six. We want you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Rated
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Detroit, huh? Keep a close check on six. We want you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Rated
Grand Jury reports tend to be rather accurate, in relating the testimony:Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
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On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant ("graduate assistant") who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught. The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to report what he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno ("Paterno"), head football coach of Pemi State. The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen. Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning.
Nothing about calling the police. Sandusky called his dad (Not the police). His dad told him to tell Joe Paterno (Not the police). Sandusky then, the next morning, informed Joe Paterno (Not the police).
Three chances to tell the police, and not a damned thing done. In his testimony, he "immediately left", not "stopped the rape, and then left". He locked eyes with the victim, and "immediately left"; not "stopping the rape".
Joe Paterno then told the Finance Director (Not the police).
Seems odd, that he told the police, but they never asked him any questions while he was telling them, wouldn't you say?Quote:
Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy. Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz ("Schultz"). The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Schultz that he had witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building showers. Curley and Schultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting. The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in Grand Jury in December, 2010. The Grand
Jury finds the graduate assistant's testimony to be extremely credible.
McQueary, not Sandusky.Quote:
Originally Posted by KC2UGV
Shit. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Rated
According to the evening news:
McQueary says (in emails to friends) that he reported the incident to "the police." Not specified exactly which department.
Penn State Police & State College Police now say... well, they don't say that he did or didn't talk to someone. They both said that there is no record of him making a report. From the choice of wording, there's a nasty implication there...
Either the kid lied to the Grand Jury...
Or he lied to his friends...
Or he told the truth, and as part of the cover-up, the records pertaining to the interview are... intercepted and missing.
Also, FWIW, former Steeler Franco Harris, who has spoken out against the manor in which Paterno was fired, has been fired from his new job as a spokesman for a local casino, and is being asked by the city to step down from a charity board he serves on. There is a very nasty implication here, that if anyone dares to differ from the Politically Correct party line...
and I don't agree with Franco's position, but he has the right to say it.
Oh, and also on the news, Sandusky's lawyer is telling the media that they're only hearing/reporting one side, and just wait until you hear his defense! And the media's reaction is... how dare he mount a defense, he should just admit to it all and save everyone the trouble of a trial. So much for judicial process.
Politically Correct? PUHLeeeze!Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
Did you watch the Sandusky interview with Costas? From The Daily Show:
I can't accept the defense of all those involved with this mess as being "reasonable". Ron, YOU are protecting the brand with the "politically correct" nonsense. This whole thing is slimy and disgusting, yet people are willing to overlook ABUSES AGAINST CHILDREN to protect some fucking football program and the reputation of some goddamned COACH!Quote:
But the host reserved his harshest words for Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, who insisted that, yes, he would allow his own children to be alone in the presence of his client. Stewart suggested that Amendola, who once fathered a child with one of his teenage clients, might not be the best person to answer this kind of question. "What kind of creepy guy club do you both belong to?" he wondered. "If you're accused of sex with minors, maybe your criteria for finding a defense lawyer shouldn't be 'also has issues with sexual boundaries.'"
Again, I say. Fire them all. DP the football program. Start over in a few years. The great state of Pennsylvania is much better than acting like some over testosteroned Texas backwater sewer protecting the local team.
That is the bottom line, folks. Read it and weep. Weep not over what it expresses about higher education in the US; weep over what it expresses about the moral state of the entire nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by nx6d
And, the police state they've never met with him, prior to the Grand Jury.Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
Politically correct my ass! McQueary witnessed a rape. He did nothing. Paterno knew about it. He did nothing. That entire sporting complex needs to get completely wiped out, and new people brought in; and everyone needs to be charged with failing to report a sexual assault of a child.
No, I didn't. I can't even stand to look at him on the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by nx6d
Besides, did you really expect he would fall on his knees before Costas on a nationally telecast NBC news show and Come To Jesus? (And if he had, don't you think that that would have been Breaking News?)
The head coach, the AD, the head of Campus Security, and the University President have all been fired. Odds are more than fairly good that a new coach will be brought in from outside, and no doubt his first order of business will be to clean house and dismiss the rest of the coaching staff, regardless of how much or how little (if any) involvement they had with this mess... guilt by association, but also a not unlikely event whenever there is a change in the head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by nx6d
And I have stated more than once that I am NOT overlooking abuse of children. On the contrary. What I am driving at is a different issue... people being convicted in the media without benefit of a hearing, let alone an actual trial.
Personally, McQueary's leaked email smells of self-serving BS. It doesn't make sense that this didn't come up before with the grand jury testimony. That said, it's all speculation. Not fact.
Do not misunderstand me. I am not, have not, and will not condone child abuse. Nor will I defend someone who knowingly permits said abuse to occur or to continue. But I also strongly despise, in principle, someone being hung out to dry -- or just plain hanged period -- by a media-fueled lynch mob (a media that's after high ratings so that it can sell advertising at high prices). That's not justice, that's anarchy.
We can speculate all we want on what someone SHOULD have known, or what someone HAD TO have known, and what they SHOULD have done. Said speculation is not fact. Why don't we deal in facts?
Oh, and I think you both missed the point of the "Politically Correct party line" comment.
It is not currently Politcally Correct to say anything in support of Paterno. Franco Harris did. And it's cost him a job and at least one other position.
And I do NOT agree with Franco on this... which I said. But he has the right to say it, even if he is wrong.