Worked them on 15 CW, what a zoo.
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Worked them on 15 CW, what a zoo.
I get off in 5 minutes, but hear they are fading out! WORKING SUCKS!!!
I'll wait until next week. Maybe it will only be a major CF, instead of a gigantic CF.
CW is much less of a CF that's for sure. 20M SSB was a zoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by KJ3N
... an annoying noise that I can't stand. Pass. :hand:Quote:
Originally Posted by wm3o
those that can do ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KJ3N
And those that can't stand it, don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by wm3o
Those that can't use PSK31! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wm3o
sure, i used to say the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KJ3N
Now, now boys. Fight nice.
Besides, until the paperwork is submitted, it doesn't count.
It is what it is. Some people find the magic in it, some don't. Life's too short to worry about such trivial things.
life is way too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by KC9ECI
WFWL. Worked them on 20 and 17 last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
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Originally Posted by KJ3N
No worries. Its music to me...and by the sounds of it, one less station to grapple for space with.
Meanwhile, my desk mic is gathering dust.
how very Vogan.Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
NO copy in SoCal last night. Think it is a DAYTIME shot only. Might have to take off work for a prayer at working them. Haven't heard anything from our San Diego DX CLub of anyone working them yet. We need to wait till all of the East Coast and Midwest are finished. So this is PAYBACK time for all the Pacific DXpeditions!
Yeah....100w, inverted V, QTH Nevada, east coast/EU wall...ill be lucky to SWL them!
Then again, ive netted some biggies in the past...if i can hear them, ill go after 'em!
I'm sorry, but I have to LMAO at this one. Are you trying to discourage people from working them? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by W3WN
Repeat after me - Work First, Worry Later.
Got them on 3 bands so far - 17 cw, 15 cw and 20 SSB. Mostly insurance QSOs but it's nice to have the challenge points.
I tried 30m last night but boy oh boy... what a zoo! Even with 3 elements and 200 watts it was just too crazy. At one point they were doing over 20kHz split. I guess they had to because it was worse than CQ world war. I shudder to think what the pileups will be like if/when P5 gets activated.
In a few days the pileups will thin down.Quote:
Originally Posted by N7YA
However, I like to work DXpeditions on the first day/night for the challenge. But understandably if you have compromise antennas and low power, you may have to QRX a bit.
Propagation favors the west coast better than europe on some bands at some times. Try after 2100z on 15m. As much as when I hate when they do this, they sometimes also work by the numbers.
dupe
N6PSE wouldn't be on the DXpedition if he wasn't 100% sure the contacts will count. They must have ROCK HARD docs in hand. Don't know how they did it, but someone got paid off in Yemen. (He noted in Visalia that is Standard procedure in 3rd and 4th world countries just like Yemen) But notice how SECRET everything was until the day they started operations. Most secret DXpedition probably in Ham Radio history. Most likely for national security reasons, as Yemen is the Hotbed of AlQueada!
So, if Yemen can be put on the air, there IS hope for P5 North Korea. Just gotta pay off the right official!
Oh i hate the numbers too! But its the DX' call as to how things are run, so i have to keep plugging away. Right now, i hear the pile on 17m CW for them, but a veeeeerrrrry faint whisper of them. I also missed Spratly, they werent very strong here for some reason and the pile was too much for my pissant setup.
Again, i have a couple hundred nice cards using only wires and no more than 100w...never say never!
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Originally Posted by wa6mhz
Fingers crossed! The last thing from NK that was accepted at the DXCC counter was about 400 or so qso's by Martti. I think i would hear them just fine from here. Getting through that pileup would be another matter!
I don't think DPRK will be as easy. I notice that in Yemen they let them take lots of photos of regular people. Won't really happen in DPRK. I believe they are a lot tighter.
I also get a feeling that part of the deal was specifically to promote tourism for Socotra island. Notice how the web link to the tourist resort went up yesterday.
There usually is some kind of trade off when it comes to these things. Unless its a wildlife preserve or some kind of sensitive ecosystem, its usually political.
They are building now on 17, but so is the pileup. They are about 559...the pile is 599+20. And i need to get to bed....its after 7!
They have an ONLINE Propogation map that shows just which bands have prop to where and when Doesn't look good for West Coast. Very poor propogation on all bands all day and night
http://www.yemen2012.com/propagation.php
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by W5GA
They were coming through here a little faint but very copyable last night. The zoo calling was horrific though.
They're going to be there for 2 weeks. I'm going to wait a couple of days for the feeding frenzy to die down a little.
Just need one Q, after all...
And thanks for all the fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by wm3o
Not at all. Just trying to calm a couple of people down.Quote:
Originally Posted by N2RJ
Besides... look how long it took to get 7O1YGF approved. Ham radio politics at it's finest [/sarcasm]...
& I have it straight from a former ARRL official that the hold-up was the lack of documentation that clearly showed they were legally in the country, let alone an actual license (which never did materialize). But that's not the point.
I wish I could have a decent tower and a small beam, but that's just not in the cards right now. You are fortunate to be in a position to have them Ryan, and more power to you for that. Not complaining, mind you, just recognizing reality. (And I do pretty well with what I have, regardless)Quote:
Originally Posted by N2RJ
Now I'm not going to say that someone in the government got... monetary incentives. That's pure speculation, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by wa6mhz
But I can tell you this Pat:
I've had many a long conversation with my Dayton ride over the years on this subject, and he's retired Air Force who spent some time in that part of the world while on active duty. For example, he's told me about how the military contingent would arrive in some of these countries in civilian attire to avoid inciting problems, and he's told me quite a bit about how that part of the world worked when he served there. Incentives aren't unheard of... but revealing them can be, ah, risky. So I'd rather not speculate on that for obvious reasons.
One of the issues is that it's easier to say "No!" than "Yes!", since often times, granting approval risks sticking one's neck out... literally.
I'm barely touching on a lot of what he's said, but it would be best to get it from him first-hand, rather than rely on my faulty memory.
But, the reason I bring this up: There is a real concern, IMHO, that 7O6T could run into some of the same, ah, issues that 7O1YGF did.
- First, I'm convinced that the 'YGF guys had proper authorization to operate, from the civilian side of the government.
- Second, I'm reasonably convinced that someone on the military side wasn't initially informed (or claimed as such), and thus never authorized the operation. So when they found out, that started a chain of events that caused the proverbial plug to be pulled.
- Third, the 'YGF guys were most likely promised a physical license from the civilians, but after the military raised a fuss, that promise evaporated as no one was willing to risk the wrath of the military over the alleged transgression. And once they equipment was impounded, and the team was, shall we say, invited to make a retreat to other parts of the world... getting that license became near impossible.
Now, I'm very hopeful that the current 7O guys do have their proverbial ducks in order, and that they do have an actual license or written authorization. That said, until said documentation surfaces, yes, definitely, WFWL, but don't sweat the small stuff either.
Actually, I think Martti's "demo" QSO's were the first ones accepted for DPRK. P5/4L4FN had a few thousand Q's.Quote:
Originally Posted by N7YA
I heard P5/4L4FN more than a few times on the upper bands, but never could get through the pile-ups. So it goes.
Now if you could get an international team together that could convince the sitting government (civilian & military) to let a 3 or 4 week P5 op take place, as a "gesture of good will" and all that other politically correct rubbish... nah, forget it, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
There was all this sabre rattling over the P5 Missile dud, and then the US canceled the food supplies we had promised.
Had they just let them shoot it (knowing they had their head up their ass and couldn't get it right), then we would be on MUCH better condx with P5. So that bridge is burnt. The US is MOONING P5 right now, so no hope of getting a US based operation there. WHO LEFT are friends with P5? Maybe China? Lotsa good BY ops now. Maybe they can pull it off as long as P5 sees no US ties into the venture. But P5 pretty well has isolated itself from the whole world with their childish ways and seems to stubborn to try and get along.
Well, I must be in a hole. They're barely above the noise floor here on 12m and 17m SSB.
As usual, the idiots calling can't seem to figure out what split operation is. :roll:
...which is why I said an "international" team. To be more specific, consisting of operators not from North America, and probably not from most of Europe as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by wa6mhz
Simply because I don't think the DPRK would let operators from countries representing the West in right now... or if they did, too great a risk of them becoming political hostages.
And the "up" cops are worse than the disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by KJ3N
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Originally Posted by wa6mhz
Maybe they will forbid the ops to make W contacts as a stipulation. Mandatory log checks and such....their way of mooning us back. Because you just know how much political clout we hams have in the states. :lol:
Anyway, im listening to the 7O right now, solid signal, but the pile, the people who dont know what spilt means and the cops yelling at them for it, are all horrendous. I am going to wait, like i usually have to. :yes:
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Originally Posted by W5GA
I dont mind one "up"...not 25 "UP LID" in a row.
7O6T is on 17M right now.... 18.145.00 listening up ^^^^^ (The usual 5KHz) Bunch of morons calling him on 145 and a bunch of others telling them how stupid they are... :lol:
If they get stronger I may try........