Motorcycle Discussion Thread

[w2amr]

My stock Integra has issues over a lot of speed bumps... it's low enough.

...If I had a million daaahllerrs... Does it make Jetson Noises? Very cool... :drool:

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200808/victory-vision-10th--1_460x0w.jpg
Help, head spinning.

[WØTKX]

Help, head spinning.

Clown troll alert, clown troll alert. I aim to please. :dance: :mrgreen:

http://www.tafsc.com/CLOWN%20(1).JPG

My expensive tastes are more like this...
http://kurtfriedrich.googlepages.com/06fjr1300a_cherry_corner.jpg/06fjr1300a_cherry_corner-full.jpg

http://onewheeldrive.net/images/stories/2007/Reviews/Kawasaki/Concours/Kawasaki_Concours_14_IMG_9045.jpg

[w2amr]

Oh Yeah? Well take this...........

https://www.happyscooters.com/files/prodimages/b_thumbnail/mc_x260.jpg
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00tMZEBDjnCGzeM/Gas-And-Electric-Dual-Power-Moped.jpg

[WØTKX]

:lol: :lol:
Motorcycle buttaface thread anyone?
http://z.hubpages.com/u/61819_f520.jpg

[WØTKX]

Moooore Power! I am imagining a rider with MN Viking logos. :mrgreen:

http://zo-d.com/blog/images/purple-v8-build-your-own-motorcycle.jpg

[w2amr]

Moooore Power! I am imagining a rider with MN Viking logos. :mrgreen:

http://zo-d.com/blog/images/purple-v8-build-your-own-motorcycle.jpg
OK OK you win. No more. :sick

[w2amr]

[youtube:1ewm4zc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skfnxkixBp4[/youtube:1ewm4zc0]

[N8YX]

My expensive tastes are more like this...
http://kurtfriedrich.googlepages.com/06fjr1300a_cherry_corner.jpg/06fjr1300a_cherry_corner-full.jpg

http://onewheeldrive.net/images/stories/2007/Reviews/Kawasaki/Concours/Kawasaki_Concours_14_IMG_9045.jpg
One of each of those is sitting in our parking lot. Yes, I had a hand in it ... :dance

[N8YX]

:lol: :lol:
Motorcycle buttaface thread anyone?
http://z.hubpages.com/u/61819_f520.jpg
Hey - that's a Harley! Them's sacred cows!

[N8YX]

http://photo.vrccservices.com/albums/page31/31-23.jpg

[w2amr]

http://photo.vrccservices.com/albums/page31/31-23.jpg
Is that one of Paulie JR's nightmares?
:lol:

[w2amr]

:lol: :lol:
Motorcycle buttaface thread anyone?
http://z.hubpages.com/u/61819_f520.jpg
Hey - that's a Harley! Them's sacred cows!
What a shame. :(

[WØTKX]

Naa, Paulies nightmare has got him buying buildings and running a boutique. :lol:

http://www.iconocast.com/0000000010/M3/News9A_1.jpg

[w2amr]

Wow, that's some big shoes. And that open primary chain could cause some interesting problems.

[WØTKX]

Gotta wear diamond toed boots. :wall: :doh:

[w2amr]

I always liked this trike by Russell Mitchell
http://www.exilecycles.com/index.php?section=25
And it can be had for 40K
http://www.exilecycles.com/index.php?section=161

[w2amr]

Here is the current inventory. :drool:
http://www.exilecycles.com/index.php?section=1

[N8YX]

Of all the "custom" builders, Mitchell and Jesse James make what I consider to be the most sanitary, functional pieces in the business.

"Abortion" doesn't even begin to describe a lot of OCC's stuff. :sick

[WØTKX]

I like Jessie's stuff too. But Zero Engineering speaks to me...

http://zero-eng.com/Graphics-New01/gallery/g42L.jpg

[KG4CGC]

Geico caveman commercial
Two cavemen getting off of their bikes
They're both wearing full leather racing suits one red, one white and blue
They're both dismounting Harleys in the intro
WTF?

[WØTKX]

Noticed that the first time I saw it. Caveman shenanigans, the lizard made them do it.

[KB3LAZ]

I went to town and there sure was a line of bikes. The cops had the street blocked until they passed. The lead was not a bike but rather a hummer as was the tail. They belong to the local army recruiting office. Must have been a D-Day thing.

PS: Bikes of all kinds and riders from multiple generations. An interesting concept... :think

[KG4CGC]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://martinagency.com/createPreview.php%3Ffile%3Dhttp://martinagency.com/images/media/GEI_-_Motorcycle_Walkin0.flv%26time%3D%26w%3D414%26h%3D 320&imgrefurl=http://www.martinagency.com/site/C11/&h=308&w=414&sz=17&tbnid=65tFIAIXRFnp9M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgeico%2Bcaveman%2Bmotorcycle&hl=en&usg=__6Ngl2-2CFxsUJjpqJRv0JsLd-hc=&ei=kr8qSo_UJI2Ntgf93cSxCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image

Scroll down to the third screen/window/movie display.

[N8YX]

Just got back from test-riding 'DSG's Valkyrie Tourer. Put a new set of Avon Cobras and a pair of heavier-sprung shocks on it and the bike no longer handles like a large, top-heavy pig...which is exactly how a 900lb bike with a 7 gallon gas tank is supposed to feel.

While at an area motorcycle shop I checked out Harley's new XR1200 and a BMW K1300GT. Interesting bikes, both. Especially the 'GT...175 RWHP, 580lbs...traction control, ABS...but the Sportster just begs to be thrashed on the back roads.

[N8YX]

You ride this weekend, George?

[KB3LAZ]

Just got back from test-riding 'DSG's Valkyrie Tourer. Put a new set of Avon Cobras and a pair of heavier-sprung shocks on it and the bike no longer handles like a large, top-heavy pig...which is exactly how a 900lb bike with a 7 gallon gas tank is supposed to feel.

While at an area motorcycle shop I checked out Harley's new XR1200 and a BMW K1300GT. Interesting bikes, both. Especially the 'GT...175 RWHP, 580lbs...traction control, ABS...but the Sportster just begs to be thrashed on the back roads.

Hahaha...me riding a sportster would be like a gorilla riding a scooter. :lol: Such a little bike.

[w2amr]

You ride this weekend, George?
Yeah I got in a couple of hours , between chores. Saturday was scrub the birdhouse floor day.

[N8YX]

You ride this weekend, George?
Yeah I got in a couple of hours , between chores. Saturday was scrub the birdhouse floor day.
We should have taken the bikes over to the Breezeshooters Fest. The forecast was for isolated t-storms and (of course) not one was seen in the area all day.

In retrospective, it's probably good that we didn't. 356S was detoured through Butler, and we got caught in what seemed an endless set of detours while making our way along the route.

It's going to rain for the first half of the week here. Ergo, no bikey ... :-|

[KB3LAZ]

You ride this weekend, George?
Yeah I got in a couple of hours , between chores. Saturday was scrub the birdhouse floor day.
We should have taken the bikes over to the Breezeshooters Fest. The forecast was for isolated t-storms and (of course) not one was seen in the area all day.

In retrospective, it's probably good that we didn't. 356S was detoured through Butler, and we got caught in what seemed an endless set of detours while making our way along the route.

It's going to rain for the first half of the week here. Ergo, no bikey ... :-|

Well that is not entirely true. It did rain for a few minutes at the fest but you had already taken to the road. People started to pack up and panic but the rain stopped and the sun came back out. :lol:

Oh..I have a 10m beam now! My grandpa picked up a 5 element for himself for 25$ and he is going to give me the old 3 element. This 10m thing may just be possible yet, if I mod the amp and run a kw. :whistle: :lol:

[N8YX]

Well that is not entirely true. It did rain for a few minutes at the fest but you had already taken to the road. People started to pack up and panic but the rain stopped and the sun came back out. :lol:

Oh..I have a 10m beam now! My grandpa picked up a 5 element for himself for 25$ and he is going to give me the old 3 element. This 10m thing may just be possible yet, if I mod the amp and run a kw. :whistle: :lol:
Congrats on the beam!

As I posted elsewhere: All this vintage talk has got me to thinking that I ought to take my 7-line stuff out of line (for the time being) and set up my Kenwood and Yaesu hybrids in its place. I can use either the TV506 or the FTV901 to get 6M SSB, albeit with 10w out. But I've worked 6 successfully with that setup in the past...

[KB3LAZ]

Well that is not entirely true. It did rain for a few minutes at the fest but you had already taken to the road. People started to pack up and panic but the rain stopped and the sun came back out. :lol:

Oh..I have a 10m beam now! My grandpa picked up a 5 element for himself for 25$ and he is going to give me the old 3 element. This 10m thing may just be possible yet, if I mod the amp and run a kw. :whistle: :lol:
Congrats on the beam!

As I posted elsewhere: All this vintage talk has got me to thinking that I ought to take my 7-line stuff out of line (for the time being) and set up my Kenwood and Yaesu hybrids in its place. I can use either the TV506 or the FTV901 to get 6M SSB, albeit with 10w out. But I've worked 6 successfully with that setup in the past...

The 901 gets my vote.

That 301D set up sure was pretty and he sold it too. The asking price was a bit high and he lowered it toward the end to 600 for the entire setup. The 902 setup however went home with its owner.

[WØTKX]

Back to On topic... Motorcycles.

I've checked out some really neat bikes, and they all had their good points.

Found a cherry 1999 Kawasaki Concours. Under 21K miles. Flawless. Owned by a Concours nut, with a bunch of really nice extras. You know when you visit a guys garage, and it's really interesting and nice.... 8)

What's really amusing is he also collects morse code keys. OMG! He has a NOS MAC key in a box and... a pile of old bugs, hand keys, buzzers and sounders. Not a ham, just a collector. Doesn't even know Morse Code. Just thinks they are cool. Wild, man, just wild.

I really had a gas riding the tricked out 85 VTX1100 today, it was $500 less, stock looking but tweaked a bit, with a great seat, touring bag setup, and large Memphis Shades shield. It was really fun to ride.

A Virago 920 was checked out as well, one owner, pampered but ridden. 36K miles, had a Yamaha fairing on it... small but potent sound system and tasteful LED safety lighting.

But that "Connie" won my heart. The one I rode a few weeks ago was a bit ratty, and older with the higher seat. I can easily flat foot on this newer model. My 85 FZ750 had the same 90 horses, but this comes on strong at about 6k, and it's got a wider power band... nice torque once off the line just a bit.

I throw down the cash tomorrow. Geico has been notified. Looks like this one, but has a few more goodies for comfort, such as an 11 meter rig.... :lol: :mrgreen: :dance:

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2004%5C07%5C06%5Cbikepics-176531-full.jpg

[KG4CGC]

Nice bike. What's up with the brief cases?

[KB3LAZ]

Nice bike. What's up with the brief cases?
Plastic saddlebags.

[KG4CGC]

I was thinking something I'd carry into the office or a business meeting. I think I like a huger headlamp too. Seriously.

[WØTKX]

Here's an action shot... that light is bigger than it looks in the first pic.

Yes, it's a big butted bagger, but they pop off in seconds. I can carry radio stuff, batteries and camping gear. Oh yea. :dance:

http://www.ridetowork.org/files/imagecache/content/files/images/Tom_Dragon_1108_3.jpg

[KG4CGC]

Congratulations Dave.
Have a drink

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/144474-5.jpg

You know I don't always break out the Gen :)

[WØTKX]

Holy Moley that's the good stuff. Donkey Smell, Ham Bro! :mrgreen:

I had a couple from Edinburgh Scotland that were regular ski students of mine for a few years. One of those bottles was part of the customary tip, and I was impressed. They were very cool... I turned them on to Loudon Wainwright and John Prine. Cultural cross pollination is just the best.

Thanks for the pleasant memory jostling, TarBender!

http://en.futurama.wikia.com/images/e/e8/Bender_drinking_3.gif

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/2415086358_d68d24c123.jpg

[w2amr]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/2415086358_d68d24c123.jpg
I seem to spend a lot of time in your sig lines Charles.

[N8YX]

We got to ride a K1200GT, K1300S and an R1200RT yesterday.

If the 1300GT (which we haven't ridden yet) is as capable as the 1200GT, two of them may be in our garage soon...

[N8YX]

Got to ride a K1300GT today at the Buckeye Wing Rally.

Smoooooth...and the thing is as fast as a thief.

'DSG had never been on a GL1800 'Wing and she got to check one of those out as well. Liked it, but not as much as the Beemer.

I spent a bit of time talking to the owner of a 2008 Harley Crossbones Springer - was really close in appearance to the chopper I'm slowly putting together. He was getting a J&M CB and some other electronics installed on the bike. Should have set up a ham radio demo area and showed our bikes' installations to any interested parties.

We tried out our integrated VX6 and VX7 units on the way down - the setup works really well.

[w2amr]

Crotch rocket imbeciles. I could watch these idiots all day. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY8U6u0dKl4&feature=related

[N8YX]

Likewise with the "Bar and Shield Blooper Crowd":

[youtube:3p8up0em]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHEeMkrMOtE[/youtube:3p8up0em]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[w2amr]

Repeat. Is that the only one you can Find Fred? There are a million on you tube featuring crotch rocket idiots. And why not, they account for about 90% of all the motorcycle fatalities here in Jersey.

[KG4CGC]

Be sure to wear a helmet. I don't.
http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/06/02/12-unusual-and-creative-helmets/

[w2amr]

Anybody see this? I caught the first show, it's pretty good.
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/05/74654/

[N8YX]

Do not pass 'go' and don't collect anything except mandatory jail time:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/233/story/781176.html

[w2amr]

Do not pass 'go' and don't collect anything except mandatory jail time:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/233/story/781176.html
20 years minimum .

[N8YX]

Repeat. Is that the only one you can Find Fred?
Nope .. there are TONS more:

[youtube:2qefqxa0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBCTIlfMow[/youtube:2qefqxa0]

An E-Glide (even the big-inch version) is one of the easiest bikes that I've ever ridden with regards to handling at low speeds, and 'DSG echoes that sentiment. How this knucklehead managed to wad his into a parked car is beyond either of us.

[w2amr]

Ok Fred, game on.
From consumer report.

Motorcycle death rates doubled; supersport bikes the most dangerous
Riding motorcycles is commonly considered a dangerous recreational pursuit. Just how risky? Motorcyclist fatalities have more than doubled in 10 years and reached 4,810 in 2006, accounting for 11 percent of total highway fatalities, according to recent analysis by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI). In addition, 88,000 riders were injured last year, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

Motorcycle deaths are on the rise, while automotive fatalities are decreasing accoding to reports from IIHS, NHTSA, and other safety agencies. The trends do reflect an increasing number of younger motorcyclists piloting performance bikes, as well as continued improvement in car safety. However, averaged across all registered motorcycles for 2005, 99.9 percent of riders did not meet an untimely demise.

What motorcycles show the greatest risks?
Supersport bike riders have death rates that are four times greater than average for all motorcycle types, says the IIHS. These so-called rockets are essentially racing bikes modified for highway use. Engineered for speed, they typically have more horsepower per pound than other bikes. A 2006 model Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, for example, produces 111 horsepower and weighs 404 pounds. In contrast, the 2006 model Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic Electra Glide, a touring motorcycle, produces 65 horsepower and weighs 788 pounds.

"Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths."

The fatality rates for cruiser and "standard" riders rank the lowest, at 5.7 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles. Touring bikes, such as the Harley example, averaged 6.5 deaths, with sport bikes totaling 10.7 deaths per 10,000.

Why the increased fatalities?
There are a growing number of motorcycles on the road, with total registrations climbing 51 percent between 2000 and 2005. While cruisers and standard motorcycles made up the bulk of registrations, supersport bikes see registrations up 83 percent in 2005 compared with 2000. In 2005 supersport bikes accounted for 9 percent of registrations, cruisers made up 47 percent, and standards 4 percent.

"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."

Speeding and driver error were bigger factors in fatal crashes of supersport, sport, and unclad sport bikes compared with other motorcycle classes. In contrast, speed was cited in 57 percent of supersport riders' fatal crashes in 2005, compared to 27 percent of fatal crashes among riders on cruisers and standards and 22 percent on touring motorcycles.

Alcohol was a factor in the fatal crashes of 19 percent of supersport riders and 23 percent of sport and unclad sport riders. Alcohol impairment was an even bigger factor in the fatal crashes of cruisers and standard bikes and touring motorcycles, particularly among riders 30-49 years old.

"With more motorcyclists on the road and fewer of them wearing helmets, the result is bound to be an increase in deaths and injuries," says McCartt. "Motorcycles are inherently risky, and when crashes occur head injury is a leading cause of death. The most effective way we know to reduce head injury risk is to wear helmets that meet federal safety standards. Wearing a helmet would have saved at least 700 motorcyclists' lives in 2005, an Institute analysis shows."

Certain bike types may invite dangerous behavior, but ultimately it is the driver that takes the risks. Whatever is your vehicle of choice, obey the law and drive responsibly for all our sakes.

—Jeff Bartlett

[N8YX]

Ok Fred, game on.
This ought to be fun!

From consumer report.
(You mean the "lies, damn lies and statistics" rag?)


Motorcycle death rates doubled; supersport bikes the most dangerous
Oh noes! Teh Evilz Thingz! (Maybe we ought to follow the money trail and see who - or what - is funding this piece...)


<snip>

What motorcycles show the greatest risks?
Supersport bike riders have death rates that are four times greater than average for all motorcycle types, says the IIHS. These so-called rockets are essentially racing bikes modified for highway use. Engineered for speed, they typically have more horsepower per pound than other bikes. A 2006 model Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, for example, produces 111 horsepower and weighs 404 pounds. In contrast, the 2006 model Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic Electra Glide, a touring motorcycle, produces 65 horsepower and weighs 788 pounds.

Oh, the poor underpowered ZX6! :(

How can it ever get out of its own way? :chin:

My idea of a "supersport" is a Muzzy-piped ZX10R: 220 RWHP, 358 lbs gassed. Yes, I've ridden them at speed. No, the front wheel never left the ground. Imagine that - they actually come equipped with a throttle! Whoda thunk it?

Back to the Harley:


...a touring motorcycle, produces 65 horsepower and weighs 788 pounds.
Trust me - if it wasn't about "power", such aftermarket shops as S&S, V&H, Harley's own "Screamin' Eagle/CVO" program and a myriad of other performance-oriented outfits wouldn't exist.

Inside every Big Twin rider is a frustrated racer-boi just dying to get out. $5 billion a year spent in the aftermarket speed-parts industry tends to validate that statement.


The fatality rates for cruiser and "standard" riders rank the lowest, at 5.7 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles. Touring bikes, such as the Harley example, averaged 6.5 deaths, with sport bikes totaling 10.7 deaths per 10,000.

Why the increased fatalities?
There are a growing number of motorcycles on the road, with total registrations climbing 51 percent between 2000 and 2005. While cruisers and standard motorcycles made up the bulk of registrations, supersport bikes see registrations up 83 percent in 2005 compared with 2000. In 2005 supersport bikes accounted for 9 percent of registrations, cruisers made up 47 percent, and standards 4 percent.

"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."

Speeding and driver error were bigger factors in fatal crashes of supersport, sport, and unclad sport bikes compared with other motorcycle classes. In contrast, speed was cited in 57 percent of supersport riders' fatal crashes in 2005, compared to 27 percent of fatal crashes among riders on cruisers and standards and 22 percent on touring motorcycles.
There's that 'damn lies' bit again. How about breaking the sportbike demographic down into age and rider experience categories, then re-run the figures?

If everyone were riding Sportsters, there would still be crashes from inexperience. Remember: I began riding when there were no such things as sportbikes...only hopped-up Beezers, Trumpets, Norton and Sporties. And invariably, the neophyte riders of my era managed to wreck those "hotrod" (read:slow) bikes just as often as they do their modern-day counterparts.

Look at my bolded comment above. Then consider that the majority of so-called 'experienced' riders - as loosely defined by this article - don't own sportbikes.


Alcohol was a factor in the fatal crashes of 19 percent of supersport riders and 23 percent of sport and unclad sport riders. Alcohol impairment was an even bigger factor in the fatal crashes of cruisers and standard bikes and touring motorcycles, particularly among riders 30-49 years old.
Uh oh...this guy is implying that all Harley and cruiser riders are drunks. :evil:


"With more motorcyclists on the road and fewer of them wearing helmets, the result is bound to be an increase in deaths and injuries," says McCartt. "Motorcycles are inherently risky, and when crashes occur head injury is a leading cause of death. The most effective way we know to reduce head injury risk is to wear helmets that meet federal safety standards. Wearing a helmet would have saved at least 700 motorcyclists' lives in 2005, an Institute analysis shows."
Laughable. Every sportbike or sport-touring rider I know has considerable sums of money invested in gear, and wears it whenever they're riding. Between myself and 'DSG, for example, we could easily buy another bike with what we've spent on helmets, body armor, gloves, heated clothing and whatnot. But when you're spending upwards of $800 on a full-face helmet which is IDBA-certified, it's easy to do.


Certain bike types may invite dangerous behavior, but ultimately it is the driver that takes the risks. Whatever is your vehicle of choice, obey the law and drive responsibly for all our sakes.
This is the only sensible passage in the entire article.

In all my saddle time on sportbikes, I've yet to aggressively loft the front end on one - or even have a close call due to inattentiveness. But then again, I don't pretend the street is my private racetrack. Same goes for any type of bike I own or have ridden; there's a time and a place for excessive speed - rush-hour traffic isn't it.

[KB3LAZ]

When I ride(which is not often anymore as I am bikeless at the moment)my safety gear consists of a (partial)brain bucket, glasses, gloves, jeans, boots, and a leather jacket. Sure I could wear more but if crash chances are that I am dead anyway. :wall: Most I have ever done is lay a bike down(at around 45mph). I slid, my jeans and jacket saved my skin for the most part but my bones and muscles were sore for a few days. Got a bit of gravel stuck in my palms. Now when dad had his accident that was bad. A deer took him of his bike at about 65mph. They had to cut off the helm and he had some nasty road rash. Spent a few weeks in the hospitable.

Ive thought about it and I am really considering selling the Z to fund a bike. As I said before, I have had a few offers on it and my quad. Neither of which get ample attention anymore. I grew out of the quad stage and the Z is a gas hog and a biitch on the insurance. Dads not happy that I am contemplating this as he does not want me to get another bike. :roll:

With my savings and what I would get from the quad and the Z I would have between 14-16K. Not quite enough(IMO)to shop with. Then again I would be looking at new. So if I beat myself into submission at some point then I will bank the cash until next summer. Or maybe settle on something cheaper. Hard to say. I change my mind every 30 seconds.(Yes I am that way about everything.)

I could get a loaded VTX1300T for around 12-13k. If I settled for a 750 I could load it out for under 10k. :chin: I could almost buy 2 if I went with a 750. :lol:

Now comes the inner battle. :wall

[WØTKX]

I keep the hooliganism on the snow, above treeline. Some of my friends ride like idiots. I don't ride with them. Prefer to ride alone, the whole point is to clear the mind and Zen out in the twisties. Be here now. Be here now. :mrgreen:

Personally, I don't think there are enough smaller displacement UJM's around. The sportbikes are the best value on paper, and people buy on specs. Doesn't matter if they can handle the bike or not, it's all about the purchase.

And a beginners bike is just not cool, even for a beginner.

A lot of folks thought I should get an SV650. I rode one, and it was great. But not as easy as riding an old CB-450 or KZ-440 is. And they are all fun. I wish I still had my little Honda Dream... it was retro-cool.

The "motard" style is amusing... one can be a bad ass while running a lighter and more forgiving bike. Maybe starter bikes need to be more in that "style. I may find a cheap dual purpose bike and do just that. 60+ mpg on those little boogers, perfect urban assult vehicle.

http://www.pashnit.com/pics/martin/Martin-Brown-drz-3-sm.jpg

[N8YX]

I could get a loaded VTX1300T for around 12-13k. If I settled for a 750 I could load it out for under 10k. :chin: I could almost buy 2 if I went with a 750. :lol:

Now comes the inner battle. :wall
DL1000 or Bandit 1200.

KTM Adventure 990.

Honda 750 Nighthawk.

You could also shop around and get a year (or two)-old Softail for the price of the VTX...maybe a V-Rod as well.

[N8YX]

The "motard" style is cool...
Get a KTM SuperMotard and lose yer license quickly. They're FAR too easy to wheelie ... :lol:

[KB3LAZ]

I could get a loaded VTX1300T for around 12-13k. If I settled for a 750 I could load it out for under 10k. :chin: I could almost buy 2 if I went with a 750. :lol:

Now comes the inner battle. :wall
DL1000 or Bandit 1200.

KTM Adventure 990.

Honda 750 Nighthawk.

You could also shop around and get a year (or two)-old Softail for the price of the VTX...maybe a V-Rod as well.
Are you razzing me? Those are all way of par for my taste. If I were to get a 750 it would be a spirit or an Aero. I do like the VTX a bit better but it is excess to my needs. Back streets, back and forth to town, and bike night. I dont need anything special but I have to like it. :D

[WØTKX]

Well yea, isn't riding wheelies what all motorcyclists aspire to? :roll:

Never ridden a wheelie on a street bike, it's dumb. The 'ol Honda CR500. Yea.

This is impressive I guess.

http://faithcottage.smugmug.com/photos/137169861-L.jpg

Nope... this is better! Wheeee!

http://concours.org/scrapbook/sre1.jpg

[KB3LAZ]

Well yea, isn't riding wheelies what all motorcyclists aspire to? :roll:

Never ridden a wheelie on a street bike, it's dumb. The 'ol Honda CR500. Yea.

This is impressive I guess.

http://faithcottage.smugmug.com/photos/137169861-L.jpg

Nope... this is better! Wheeee!

http://concours.org/scrapbook/sre1.jpg

Naw, I will stick to jumping out of airplanes, its safer. :shock:

[N8YX]

Well yea, isn't riding wheelies what all motorcyclists aspire to?
Only on a closed course, and under controlled conditions. Public roads present far too many variables which could conspire against the rider during execution of a wheelie at speed...

[N8YX]

Are you razzing me? Those are all way of par for my taste. If I were to get a 750 it would be a spirit or an Aero. I do like the VTX a bit better but it is excess to my needs. Back streets, back and forth to town, and bike night. I dont need anything special but I have to like it. :D
Nope - just suggesting the best bang for the buck.

You really ought to consider a 750 Magna. Fast little sumbitch ...

[KB3LAZ]

Are you razzing me? Those are all way of par for my taste. If I were to get a 750 it would be a spirit or an Aero. I do like the VTX a bit better but it is excess to my needs. Back streets, back and forth to town, and bike night. I dont need anything special but I have to like it. :D
Nope - just suggesting the best bang for the buck.

You really ought to consider a 750 Magna. Fast little sumbitch ...

My uncle restored his and sold it cheap....He was supposed to contact me first. :evil: They are not too bad looking. Again, fast means noting to me. If it will do the speed limit then that is fine by me. They no longer make the Magna, right?

I will tell you this much. I am not spending upward of 10K on something used and if I sell my car I am spending all of the money on a new bike. I have a rule, if I sell one toy I must use 100% of the proceeds to replace it!

[KG4CGC]

You can spend 6K on a Shadow and put the other 4K in your radio fund.
Just saying.

[KB3LAZ]

You can spend 6K on a Shadow and put the other 4K in your radio fund.
Just saying.

Well, more like 9k but yes. Gotta have bags, a windshield, and of course new boots, helm, jacket, and gloves. :mrgreen: However buying a bike will piss off my dad, dropping 4k more into radios will have me living back on campus. :lol:

[WØTKX]

The Kawasaki ZG1000 Concours was dropped off at work today by the nice gent I got it from. Kept it under 4k for the bike, insurance, taxes and everything... of course I have a list of things to buy for it... heh heh farkles to finagle. :mrgreen:

So, I'm leaving the steel cage at work, and riding it home. In just a few minutes! :dance

[KG4CGC]

You can spend 6K on a Shadow and put the other 4K in your radio fund.
Just saying.

Well, more like 9k but yes. Gotta have bags, a windshield, and of course new boots, helm, jacket, and gloves. :mrgreen: However buying a bike will piss off my dad, dropping 4k more into radios will have me living back on campus. :lol:
Hey, you gotta have your priorities, right?

[KB3LAZ]

You can spend 6K on a Shadow and put the other 4K in your radio fund.
Just saying.

Well, more like 9k but yes. Gotta have bags, a windshield, and of course new boots, helm, jacket, and gloves. :mrgreen: However buying a bike will piss off my dad, dropping 4k more into radios will have me living back on campus. :lol:
Hey, you gotta have your priorities, right?

:lol: Ya, I think a rent free environment is quite nice though. :mrgreen:

[KG4CGC]

Minor bun engine made Benny Lava.

[WØTKX]

Ok, so I take off from work, and finally get to play. Damn thing gets to 100 like greased snot. Without trying, the front wheel started to lift when I opened it up in 3rd gear at about 40. Not wide open either, maybe 3/4. :shock:

Howwweee Sh1T. :mrgreen:

I got to navigate stripped pavement and cone zones around my neighborhood. Got practice with the slow speed in town thing. Not fun, but doable. I can flat foot the bike, but barely.

That 7.5 gallon tank is full, and it's noticeable. :shock: I gotta mod the shift lever a bit for my riding boots. The fairing and windscreen are wonderful, and is awesome at speed... it gets really good at 70+, the semi truck wake hardly buffets me at all.

I can hardly wait for sunrise... :dance

'scuse me... I'm going off a bit here... :drool: :drool: :drool

[W7XF]

I could get a loaded VTX1300T for around 12-13k. If I settled for a 750 I could load it out for under 10k. :chin: I could almost buy 2 if I went with a 750. :lol:

Now comes the inner battle. :wall
DL1000 or Bandit 1200.

KTM Adventure 990.

Honda 750 Nighthawk.

You could also shop around and get a year (or two)-old Softail for the price of the VTX...maybe a V-Rod as well.

DL1000...that's what I ride.
Yes it can lift the front wheel.
Yes, it will give a Gixxer a run for the money.
But, who will Da Man go after first??? The Gixxer.

[WØTKX]

DL1000...that's what I ride.
Yes it can lift the front wheel.
Yes, it will give a Gixxer a run for the money.
But, who will Da Man go after first??? The Gixxer.

The DL1000 is really cool. Have not ridden one, yet. I hope the Concours proves to be boring and sensible to the man... almost invisible. Maybe the Barney Purple will help. :mrgreen:

http://images.psndealer.com/dealersite/images/blackhillspowersports/VP1262135_1.jpg

[KG4CGC]

DL1000...that's what I ride.
Yes it can lift the front wheel.
Yes, it will give a Gixxer a run for the money.
But, who will Da Man go after first??? The Gixxer.

The DL1000 is really cool. Have not ridden one, yet. I hope the Concours proves to be boring and sensible to the man... almost invisible. Maybe the Barney Purple will help. :mrgreen:

http://images.psndealer.com/dealersite/images/blackhillspowersports/VP1262135_1.jpg
What's your estimated cruising range and what is the seat height?
Without getting personal, what length pants do you buy?

[W7XF]

DL1000...that's what I ride.
Yes it can lift the front wheel.
Yes, it will give a Gixxer a run for the money.
But, who will Da Man go after first??? The Gixxer.

The DL1000 is really cool. Have not ridden one, yet. I hope the Concours proves to be boring and sensible to the man... almost invisible. Maybe the Barney Purple will help. :mrgreen:

http://images.psndealer.com/dealersite/images/blackhillspowersports/VP1262135_1.jpg
What's your estimated cruising range and what is the seat height?
Without getting personal, what length pants do you buy?

Remember, I'm 310 lb soaking wet.
My inseam is 29
Average cruising range is probably around 200-220 mi.
I won't go past 180-190 usually.
And, the DL1000 will run fine on mid-grade.
It has a ping sensor so you can run regular in a pinch...but don't do it often...you can tell the difference.

[w2amr]

[quote=w2amr]Ok Fred, game on.
This ought to be fun!

From consumer report.
(You mean the "lies, damn lies and statistics" rag?)


Motorcycle death rates doubled; supersport bikes the most dangerous
Oh noes! Teh Evilz Thingz! (Maybe we ought to follow the money trail and see who - or what - is funding this piece...)


<snip>

What motorcycles show the greatest risks?
Supersport bike riders have death rates that are four times greater than average for all motorcycle types, says the IIHS. These so-called rockets are essentially racing bikes modified for highway use. Engineered for speed, they typically have more horsepower per pound than other bikes. A 2006 model Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, for example, produces 111 horsepower and weighs 404 pounds. In contrast, the 2006 model Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic Electra Glide, a touring motorcycle, produces 65 horsepower and weighs 788 pounds.

Oh, the poor underpowered ZX6! :(

How can it ever get out of its own way? :chin:

My idea of a "supersport" is a Muzzy-piped ZX10R: 220 RWHP, 358 lbs gassed. Yes, I've ridden them at speed. No, the front wheel never left the ground. Imagine that - they actually come equipped with a throttle! Whoda thunk it?

Back to the Harley:


...a touring motorcycle, produces 65 horsepower and weighs 788 pounds.
Trust me - if it wasn't about "power", such aftermarket shops as S&S, V&H, Harley's own "Screamin' Eagle/CVO" program and a myriad of other performance-oriented outfits wouldn't exist.

Inside every Big Twin rider is a frustrated racer-boi just dying to get out. $5 billion a year spent in the aftermarket speed-parts industry tends to validate that statement.


The fatality rates for cruiser and "standard" riders rank the lowest, at 5.7 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles. Touring bikes, such as the Harley example, averaged 6.5 deaths, with sport bikes totaling 10.7 deaths per 10,000.

Why the increased fatalities?
There are a growing number of motorcycles on the road, with total registrations climbing 51 percent between 2000 and 2005. While cruisers and standard motorcycles made up the bulk of registrations, supersport bikes see registrations up 83 percent in 2005 compared with 2000. In 2005 supersport bikes accounted for 9 percent of registrations, cruisers made up 47 percent, and standards 4 percent.

"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."

Speeding and driver error were bigger factors in fatal crashes of supersport, sport, and unclad sport bikes compared with other motorcycle classes. In contrast, speed was cited in 57 percent of supersport riders' fatal crashes in 2005, compared to 27 percent of fatal crashes among riders on cruisers and standards and 22 percent on touring motorcycles.
There's that 'damn lies' bit again. How about breaking the sportbike demographic down into age and rider experience categories, then re-run the figures?

If everyone were riding Sportsters, there would still be crashes from inexperience. Remember: I began riding when there were no such things as sportbikes...only hopped-up Beezers, Trumpets, Norton and Sporties. And invariably, the neophyte riders of my era managed to wreck those "hotrod" (read:slow) bikes just as often as they do their modern-day counterparts.

Look at my bolded comment above. Then consider that the majority of so-called 'experienced' riders - as loosely defined by this article - don't own sportbikes.


Alcohol was a factor in the fatal crashes of 19 percent of supersport riders and 23 percent of sport and unclad sport riders. Alcohol impairment was an even bigger factor in the fatal crashes of cruisers and standard bikes and touring motorcycles, particularly among riders 30-49 years old.
Uh oh...this guy is implying that all Harley and cruiser riders are drunks. :evil:


"With more motorcyclists on the road and fewer of them wearing helmets, the result is bound to be an increase in deaths and injuries," says McCartt. "Motorcycles are inherently risky, and when crashes occur head injury is a leading cause of death. The most effective way we know to reduce head injury risk is to wear helmets that meet federal safety standards. Wearing a helmet would have saved at least 700 motorcyclists' lives in 2005, an Institute analysis shows."
Laughable. Every sportbike or sport-touring rider I know has considerable sums of money invested in gear, and wears it whenever they're riding. Between myself and 'DSG, for example, we could easily buy another bike with what we've spent on helmets, body armor, gloves, heated clothing and whatnot. But when you're spending upwards of $800 on a full-face helmet which is IDBA-certified, it's easy to do.


Certain bike types may invite dangerous behavior, but ultimately it is the driver that takes the risks. Whatever is your vehicle of choice, obey the law and drive responsibly for all our sakes.
This is the only sensible passage in the entire article.

.[/quote:1xq3ycyf]
What about this one?
"Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths."
Or this one?
"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."
My original point was , crotch rocket pilots are much more likely to cause an accident as a result of careless driving than Harley riders. And, I have proven that with statistics. All the other BS that you have brought into this argument is irrelevant.

[N8YX]

What about this one?
"Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths."
Age demographics and rider skills (experience) missing there, OM? To say the article is vague in terms of facts is a bit of an understatement.


Or this one?
"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."
My original point was , crotch rocket pilots are much more likely to cause an accident as a result of careless driving than Harley riders. And, I have proven that with statistics. All the other BS that you have brought into this argument is irrelevant.
Your statistics are skewed at best and prove little. Again...try "young" vs. "old" rather than "sport bike" vs. "Harley".
Practically no one I know below the age of 30 rides a Harley of ANY type; most get what they can afford and that is almost always a sport bike. Most of these riders are new to the sport, so inexperience is playing a non-insignificant role here. (Of course, the article omits that factoid...)

As far as "riding a bike like it was on a racetrack" is concerned...you mean like these two?

[youtube:1cn8cufc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZFpIpaFMlc[/youtube:1cn8cufc]

Looks real "sportbike" to me....yep...

[KG4CGC]

http://www.imz-ural.com/wolf/

[N8YX]

Ok, so I take off from work, and finally get to play. Damn thing gets to 100 like greased snot.
This may cause mass panic with riders of lesser machines, but the ZX-10R I mentioned earlier can hit 100mph in first gear.

I looked at the new Connie and a number of other sport-touring bikes...was set on the C14 until I test-rode this:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/bmw-k-1300-gt-2009/bmw_k1300gt_2009_01.jpg

For them that is skeered, there's an electronic system fitted to the bike which limits its ability to wheelie and/or burn the tire up in corners - but this can be defeated with the press of a handlebar-mounted button. ABS is standard, and one can get heated grips, seat, Xenon HID headlights and a number of other safety-related options installed during manufacture. These bikes are built to order.

We're going to say "no" to the ESA II ride control. It's only $900 as delivered from BMW but the replacement cost for a rear shock is in the neighborhood of $3k. I would rather fit an Ohlins and dial it in for my weight and riding style. The bike will never be ridden 2-up, as 'DSG will have her own...which will also be set up for her weight.

A couple other things I'm planning on are: Installing a matching top case, installing a JMCB2003, Yaesu FTM10-SR and a Zumo 550 on each bike. Then build a set of antenna mounts for the 11M and 2/440/AM-FM whips which will be fitted.

Stereo on a sport bike? Say it ain't so, but this isn't your daddy's GeezerGlide...

[N8YX]

http://www.imz-ural.com/wolf/
A friend has one of these - complete with OEM Soviet-era machine gun:

http://www.imz-ural.com/patrol/

[w2amr]

What about this one?
"Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths."
Age demographics and rider skills (experience) missing there, OM? To say the article is vague in facts is a bit of an understatement.


Or this one?
"Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt says. "Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes."
My original point was , crotch rocket pilots are much more likely to cause an accident as a result of careless driving than Harley riders. And, I have proven that with statistics. All the other BS that you have brought into this argument is irrelevant.
Your statistics are skewed at best and prove little. Again...try "young" vs. "old" rather than "sport bike" vs. "Harley".
Practically no one I know below the age of 30 rides a Harley of ANY type; most get what they can afford and that is almost always a sport bike. Most of these riders are new to the sport, so inexperience is playing a non-insignificant role here. (Of course, the article omits that factoid...)

As far as "riding a bike like it was on a racetrack" is concerned...you mean like these two?

[youtube:3gs9adtp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZFpIpaFMlc[/youtube:3gs9adtp]

Looks real "sportbike" to me....yep...
Spin, spin , spin.
Try these "skewed statistics"

Supersport Riders Over Three Times More Likely to Die
Thursday September 13, 2007
Though revered for their acceleration, stopping power, and maneuverability, supersport bikes-- street motorcycles based on racing platforms-- were heavily criticized in a recent Insurance Institute of Highway Safety report. The press release not only mentions that motorcycle fatalities in general have more than doubled between 1996 and 2006, but that supersport riders are almost four times more likely to die in road accidents.

IIHS research VP Anne McCartt says, “[Supersport] bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths.” Supersports also lead in insurance losses: the Honda CBR1000RR, for example, is more than 12 times more likely to be stolen than the average motorcycle.

With irresponsible sportbike riding having recently made headlines and a web rumor suggests that a 100 horsepower limit might be imposed on motorcycles in France, one can't help but wonder if this golden age of affordable, hyperfast supersports might start to see a decline.

[N8YX]

Spin, spin , spin.
Which is what most of the MCN 'article' is...

Try these "skewed statistics":


IIHS research VP Anne McCartt says, “[Supersport] bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths.”
So...where is the age and experience breakdown? :chin: Someone failed 'Statistics' class, from the looks of it. Or these figures were purposefully omitted?

Supersports also lead in insurance losses: the Honda CBR1000RR, for example, is more than 12 times more likely to be stolen than the average motorcycle.
Damn nice strawman if you ask me. It also beckons the question as to who is funding this bit of "research".


With irresponsible sportbike riding having recently made headlines and a web rumor suggests that a 100 horsepower limit might be imposed on motorcycles in France, one can't help but wonder if this golden age of affordable, hyperfast supersports might start to see a decline.
Ahhh...the picture becomes a little clearer now. 100hp limit? Let's see...whose motorcycles cannot exceed that figure by a long shot? :chin:

Want to do make motorcycling safer and more enjoyable for all? Do something proactive, instead of carping about someone else's choice of machine. For instance...become an MSF BRC or ARC Instructor then volunteer some of your time on the weekends teaching the various MSF classes.

If only (Brand XYZ) existed, then you would see lots of (BrandXYZ)-related crashes. Machine type and displacement has relatively little to do with it; rider skill and judgement, on the other hand...

ETA: Just how long do you think someone will leave his or her bike "stock" at that magic 100hp figure? A competent tuner should be able to almost double that figure by non-forced-aspirated means, especially on a 1000cc+ engine.

One chuckles when someone who fears something attempts to legislate it away from those who don't, and the articles quoted are fraught with that type of (illogical) reasoning.

[w2amr]

Spin, spin , spin.
Which is what most of the MCN 'article' is...

Try these "skewed statistics":


IIHS research VP Anne McCartt says, “[Supersport] bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths.”
So...where is the age and experience breakdown? :chin: Someone failed 'Statistics' class, from the looks of it. Or these figures were purposefully omitted?

I could show you stats from anywhere and you still would question them. You just don't have the ability to admit you're wrong. I'm done with this.

[N8YX]

I could show you stats from anywhere and you still would question them. You just don't have the ability to admit you're wrong. I'm done with this.
Here are a few excerpts from a 'stats' page, along with a link to the complete article:


4. In the single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slide out and fall due to over braking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.


15. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph.
(This would tend to invalidate your earlier comments about super-high speeds...)


19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly over-represented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly under represented. Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female motorcycle riders are significantly over represented in the accident data.
Now guess which age bracket is most likely to own a sport bike?


20. Craftsmen, laborers, and students comprise most of the accident-involved motorcycle riders. Professionals, sales workers, and craftsmen are under represented and laborers, students and unemployed are over- represented in the accidents
...because most of us have actually bothered to learn what we're doing...


22. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.
Been to an MSF Basic Rider Course lately? I highly recommend it. Ditto the Advanced Rider Course. I was up for a BRC instructor spot a few years ago but had to decline, owing to the fact that - at the time - I had a sick parent who needed medical care...and there was no one else to handle the situation.


23. More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly under represented in the accident data.
Interesting. I rode dirt bikes for 12 years before acquiring my first road bike, and the dirt experience has made me a far better rider. For example, I can power-slide your 800lb 'Glide/Softail/whatever through a corner and keep it upright, without breaking a sweat.


32. Motorcycles equipped with fairings and windshields are under represented in accidents, most likely because of the contribution to conspicuity and the association with more experienced and trained riders.
In other words...the older crowd is less likely to be riding a Hayabusa or ZX14 than they are a Gold Wing or a Road Glide. Put the same experienced riders on sport bikes...and the diminished accident trend will follow accordingly.

http://www.motorcycle-accidents.com/pages/stats.html

Here's more:



By Type of Motorcycle:
According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), riders of “supersports” motorcycles have driver death rates per 10,000 registered vehicles nearly four times higher than for drivers of other types of motorcycles. Supersports have more horsepower than conventional motorcycles and can reach speeds of up to 190 mph. They are built on racing platforms and are modified for street use.
(ZOMG! Teh H0rr0rz!)

The bikes are popular with riders under the age of 30.
...which, by the way, is the age demographic most closely linked with inexperience...


The bikes are light-weight and aerodynamically styled. In 2005, these bikes registered 22.5 driver deaths per 10,000 registered vehicles compared with 10.7 deaths for other sport models (related to supersports but do not have the acceleration, stability and handling of supersports). Standards and cruisers and touring bikes, with upright handlebars, have rates of 5.7 and 6.5 per 10,000 vehicles. In 2005, supersports accounted for 9 percent of registrations, and standards and cruisers made up 51 percent of registrations. Among fatally injured drivers, the IIHS says that drivers of supersports were the youngest—with an average age of 27. Touring motorcycle drivers were the oldest, 51 years old. Fatally injured drivers of other sports models were 34, on average; standard and cruiser drivers were 44 years old. Speeding and driver error were bigger factors in supersport and sport fatal crashes. Speed was cited in 57 percent of supersport riders’ fatal crashes in 2005 and in 46 percent for sport model riders. Speed was a factor in 27 of fatal crashes of riders of cruisers and standards, and for 22 percent of riders of touring models.
Pay close attention to the two bolded sentences, because the devil's in them details. "Young, inexperienced and speeding" looks to be more of a causative factor than type of motorcycle ridden.

http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/motorcycle/

[WØTKX]

What's your estimated cruising range and what is the seat height?
Without getting personal, what length pants do you buy?

275 Miles flogging it and getting into reserve, as carefully tested by the previous owner... He ran out at just about 290 miles. So 200-250, with a safety margin. That's really nice.

Seat height is an issue. 31.5 stock, can be tweaked. I may do that.

I'm about 200lbs, and purchase jeans with a 30 inseam. On a personal note, all three of my legs are different lengths. :mrgreen:

I don't think I will ever have the funds to buy a really expensive bike, unless I do payments.

[N8YX]

The ZG1000 is a good platform, and if taken care of will give you years of dependable service.

If still available new, I would probably grab hold of one. As it stands - I might get a used one, though I'm leaning towards the new Beemer due to the fact that it has a 1kW alternator fitted as standard.

[KB3LAZ]

Ok, so I take off from work, and finally get to play. Damn thing gets to 100 like greased snot.
This may cause mass panic with riders of lesser machines, but the ZX-10R I mentioned earlier can hit 100mph in first gear.

I looked at the new Connie and a number of other sport-touring bikes...was set on the C14 until I test-rode this:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/bmw-k-1300-gt-2009/bmw_k1300gt_2009_01.jpg

For them that is skeered, there's an electronic system fitted to the bike which limits its ability to wheelie and/or burn the tire up in corners - but this can be defeated with the press of a handlebar-mounted button. ABS is standard, and one can get heated grips, seat, Xenon HID headlights and a number of other safety-related options installed during manufacture. These bikes are built to order.

We're going to say "no" to the ESA II ride control. It's only $900 as delivered from BMW but the replacement cost for a rear shock is in the neighborhood of $3k. I would rather fit an Ohlins and dial it in for my weight and riding style. The bike will never be ridden 2-up, as 'DSG will have her own...which will also be set up for her weight.

A couple other things I'm planning on are: Installing a matching top case, installing a JMCB2003, Yaesu FTM10-SR and a Zumo 550 on each bike. Then build a set of antenna mounts for the 11M and 2/440/AM-FM whips which will be fitted.

Stereo on a sport bike? Say it ain't so, but this isn't your daddy's GeezerGlide...

100 in first, that is dumb and should be illegal. Never did understand why vehicles were capable of going over the max speed limit. All vehicles should be governed at around 70-80mph. Then again you would still get the jackasses doing 80 in a 20. :wall

[w2amr]

Ok, so I take off from work, and finally get to play. Damn thing gets to 100 like greased snot.
This may cause mass panic with riders of lesser machines, but the ZX-10R I mentioned earlier can hit 100mph in first gear.

I looked at the new Connie and a number of other sport-touring bikes...was set on the C14 until I test-rode this:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/bmw-k-1300-gt-2009/bmw_k1300gt_2009_01.jpg

For them that is skeered, there's an electronic system fitted to the bike which limits its ability to wheelie and/or burn the tire up in corners - but this can be defeated with the press of a handlebar-mounted button. ABS is standard, and one can get heated grips, seat, Xenon HID headlights and a number of other safety-related options installed during manufacture. These bikes are built to order.

We're going to say "no" to the ESA II ride control. It's only $900 as delivered from BMW but the replacement cost for a rear shock is in the neighborhood of $3k. I would rather fit an Ohlins and dial it in for my weight and riding style. The bike will never be ridden 2-up, as 'DSG will have her own...which will also be set up for her weight.

A couple other things I'm planning on are: Installing a matching top case, installing a JMCB2003, Yaesu FTM10-SR and a Zumo 550 on each bike. Then build a set of antenna mounts for the 11M and 2/440/AM-FM whips which will be fitted.

Stereo on a sport bike? Say it ain't so, but this isn't your daddy's GeezerGlide...

100 in first, that is dumb and should be illegal. Never did understand why vehicles were capable of going over the max speed limit. All vehicles should be governed at around 70-80mph. Then again you would still get the jackasses doing 80 in a 20. :wall
Wow, you just don't know what it take to be a REAL man. :lol:

[KB3LAZ]

Ok, so I take off from work, and finally get to play. Damn thing gets to 100 like greased snot.
This may cause mass panic with riders of lesser machines, but the ZX-10R I mentioned earlier can hit 100mph in first gear.

I looked at the new Connie and a number of other sport-touring bikes...was set on the C14 until I test-rode this:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/bmw-k-1300-gt-2009/bmw_k1300gt_2009_01.jpg

For them that is skeered, there's an electronic system fitted to the bike which limits its ability to wheelie and/or burn the tire up in corners - but this can be defeated with the press of a handlebar-mounted button. ABS is standard, and one can get heated grips, seat, Xenon HID headlights and a number of other safety-related options installed during manufacture. These bikes are built to order.

We're going to say "no" to the ESA II ride control. It's only $900 as delivered from BMW but the replacement cost for a rear shock is in the neighborhood of $3k. I would rather fit an Ohlins and dial it in for my weight and riding style. The bike will never be ridden 2-up, as 'DSG will have her own...which will also be set up for her weight.

A couple other things I'm planning on are: Installing a matching top case, installing a JMCB2003, Yaesu FTM10-SR and a Zumo 550 on each bike. Then build a set of antenna mounts for the 11M and 2/440/AM-FM whips which will be fitted.

Stereo on a sport bike? Say it ain't so, but this isn't your daddy's GeezerGlide...

100 in first, that is dumb and should be illegal. Never did understand why vehicles were capable of going over the max speed limit. All vehicles should be governed at around 70-80mph. Then again you would still get the jackasses doing 80 in a 20. :wall
Wow, you just don't know what it take to be a REAL man. :lol:

You mean a flat man! Ive seen bike accidents.

[KG4CGC]

Well as long as we have the government telling us what to do, let's limit all vehicles to 50 mph and make bikers wear 2 inches of heavy armor.

[w2amr]

You mean a flat man! Ive seen bike accidents.



You mean you don't want a bike that does 100 MPH in first gear? What the hell is wrong with you?
:lol:

[KB3LAZ]

You mean a flat man! Ive seen bike accidents.



You mean you don't want a bike that does 100 MPH in first gear? What the hell is wrong with you?
:lol:

"My first thought would be, a lot." :mrgreen:

[KB3LAZ]

Well as long as we have the government telling us what to do, let's limit all vehicles to 50 mph and make bikers wear 2 inches of heavy armor.

Hum...we already have speed limits and are required to wear certian gear for protection. Is that a bad thing? Hell no! Many vehicles are governed but it is at 100mph.

[KG4CGC]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

[w2amr]

Well as long as we have the government telling us what to do, let's limit all vehicles to 50 mph and make bikers wear 2 inches of heavy armor.

Hum...we already have speed limits and are required to wear certian gear for protection. Is that a bad thing? Hell no! Many vehicles are governed but it is at 100mph.I already have a governer, it's located in between my ears. ;)

[KB3LAZ]

Well as long as we have the government telling us what to do, let's limit all vehicles to 50 mph and make bikers wear 2 inches of heavy armor.

Hum...we already have speed limits and are required to wear certian gear for protection. Is that a bad thing? Hell no! Many vehicles are governed but it is at 100mph.I already have a governer, it's located in between my ears. ;)

Good! Unfortunately some people are not that smart.

[KB3LAZ]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

Well we(humanity)dont have a very good track record. So I like the idea of treating us like children(for the most part). "The person is smart, people are dumb."

[w2amr]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

Well we(humanity)dont have a very good track record. So I like the idea of treating us like children(for the most part).
If you don't mind, I think I'll pass on that one.

[KB3LAZ]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

Well we(humanity)dont have a very good track record. So I like the idea of treating us like children(for the most part).
If you don't mind, I think I'll pass on that one.

Its already being done and has been for years.

[w2amr]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

Well we(humanity)dont have a very good track record. So I like the idea of treating us like children(for the most part).
If you don't mind, I think I'll pass on that one.

Its already being done and has been for years.
That doesn't mean I have to like or support it.

[KG4CGC]

I was being sarcastic of course. How about training?

[N8YX]

Wow, you just don't know what it take to be a REAL man. :lol:
Just like rodding a Chevelle then taking it to the strip, right?

[KB3LAZ]

I was being sarcastic of course. How about training?

You dont think I was being serious do you? People need to have personal responsibility.

We actually have a training course around here, it is optional but if you take it you get your license automatically(no permit period). Well, there is not permit period for anyone over 21 anyway. However the course also lowers your insurance. The bike and all of the gear is provided for you, all you need is $125 and a few hours of free time a day(for a week, I think).

[KB3LAZ]

Wow, you just don't know what it take to be a REAL man. :lol:
Just like rodding a Chevelle then taking it to the strip, right?

Never done that either. At least it is a somewhat controlled environment. Be it bike or car I have no issues with them doing such things as long as they are at they track where the belong. On the road, no way! But I think we can agree on that.

[N8YX]

100 in first, that is dumb and should be illegal.
It IS illegal, but not on a racetrack.

Never did understand why vehicles were capable of going over the max speed limit. All vehicles should be governed at around 70-80mph. Then again you would still get the jackasses doing 80 in a 20. :wall
Because sometimes the throttle - instead of the brake - is your friend.

Wisdom comes from knowing what to use, and when.

And which "speed limit" are we referring to, by the way? The one on the Autobahn, or on a potholed road in Podunk, PA?

[N8YX]

On the road, no way! But I think we can agree on that.
But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere. Cars, however, seem to be another matter entirely...

[KB3LAZ]

100 in first, that is dumb and should be illegal.
It IS illegal, but not on a racetrack.

Never did understand why vehicles were capable of going over the max speed limit. All vehicles should be governed at around 70-80mph. Then again you would still get the jackasses doing 80 in a 20. :wall
Because sometimes the throttle - instead of the brake - is your friend.

Wisdom comes from knowing what to use, and when.

And which "speed limit" are we referring to, by the way? The one on the Autobahn, or on a potholed road in Podunk, PA?

The autobahn is not in the US. But I never thought of the accelerator thing. I have done just that to avoid being hit on the highway from a moron that was talking on his phone. Good point.

[KG4CGC]

There is a certain responsibility that goes with operating any vehicle. Problem with morons isn't new and it isn't just confined to certain geographic regions.
Living in a free society has it's hazards and the need for responsible behavior. This is something that a good percentage of the populace has forgotten about and or has never learned to begin with.
Someone starts screaming that something needs to be done to stop it but looking at why we act irresponsibly is overlooked so we are force by our nannies to ride with training wheels and knee pads.
Personally, with my knees sometimes, knee pads would actually be a good idea for their future preservation. I think I cracked my left patella at a party last December because I stepped in a pothole on a dark street while helping someone look for their glasses. A little over a week ago I tripped over some rocks in the dark at the lake while fishing. I instinctively bowed up to minimize landing directly on my knees but they still got swolled up a bit.

[N8YX]

The autobahn is not in the US. But I never thought of the accelerator thing. I have done just that to avoid being hit on the highway from a moron that was talking on his phone. Good point.
The point with the Autobahn vs. a screwed-up road is that one is definitely safer to travel at higher speeds than the other. Traffic and weather conditions should dictate your speed - within reason, of course. If it's slick or dark, I tend to cut my speed back a bit and open up the gap between myself and surrounding vehicles.

What works best is to match the prevailing traffic flow speed - give yourself ample following distance - and not go excessively fast OR slow. Being a "rolling roadblock" is a sure-fire way for cellphone mom to run up your bike's a$$ with her minivan. Again, this is where the throttle can save you. It's not so much about being 'fast' as 'quick' - in the time and space it takes the average vehicle to gain 10-15 MPH, a higher-performance version of such can open the gap wide enough to neutralize the threat.

I have very limited use for the wheelstands and reckless antics of the showoff crowd when they're performed in rush-hour traffic but then again, I'm capable of doing the same on a 900lb touring bike. The difference is that I practice restraint, and won't put myself or other motorists in danger with this type of behavior. A closed course is another matter entirely.

Punish the rider for his or her misdeeds, not the bike for its capabilities. Many of my rider friends who are older own sportbikes or sport-touring rigs and I never see them getting written up for reckless op, excessive speed and whatnot. Nor do I seem them involved in accidents - they've taken the time to hone their skills - and with them, their judgment.

[w2amr]

On the road, no way! But I think we can agree on that.
But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere. Cars, however, seem to be another matter entirely...
WTF are you talking about? When did I say that?

[KG4CGC]

One thing that needs to be mentioned is road paint. Lines, dashes, lettering. All a serious hazard for two wheelers and dumb four wheelers.
A bit of morning dew or a quick 30 second rain shower and those things can be deadly.

[KB3LAZ]

The autobahn is not in the US. But I never thought of the accelerator thing. I have done just that to avoid being hit on the highway from a moron that was talking on his phone. Good point.
The point with the Autobahn vs. a screwed-up road is that one is definitely safer to travel at higher speeds than the other. Traffic and weather conditions should dictate your speed - within reason, of course. If it's slick or dark, I tend to cut my speed back a bit and open up the gap between myself and surrounding vehicles.

What works best is to match the prevailing traffic flow speed - give yourself ample following distance - and not go excessively fast OR slow. Being a "rolling roadblock" is a sure-fire way for cellphone mom to run up your bike's a$$ with her minivan. Again, this is where the throttle can save you. It's not so much about being 'fast' as 'quick' - in the time and space it takes the average vehicle to gain 10-15 MPH, a higher-performance version of such can open the gap wide enough to neutralize the threat.

I have very limited use for the wheelstands and reckless antics of the showoff crowd when they're performed in rush-hour traffic but then again, I'm capable of doing the same on a 900lb touring bike. The difference is that I practice restraint, and won't put myself or other motorists in danger with this type of behavior. A closed course is another matter entirely.

Punish the rider for his or her misdeeds, not the bike for its capabilities. Many of my rider friends who are older own sportbikes or sport-touring rigs and I never see them getting written up for reckless op, excessive speed and whatnot. Nor do I seem them involved in accidents - they've taken the time to hone their skills - and with them, their judgment.

I must confess, I find this bike to be sexy. :oops:

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20L ... =sportbike (http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX-R750/2009/GSXR750.aspx?category=sportbike)

Damn, I cant copy the image location.

(Gorge, you dont wanna look. :lol: )

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/rocket3chopper.jpg

[KB3LAZ]

One thing that needs to be mentioned is road paint. Lines, dashes, lettering. All a serious hazard for two wheelers and dumb four wheelers.
A bit of morning dew or a quick 30 second rain shower and those things can be deadly.

We dont have pain on our roads as they are gravel. Gravel roads are dangerous altogether. Of course they are not so bad if you are used to it, know the road, and pay attention. I have used a dirt bike to travel back and forth between my house and my grandfathers for years with only one lay down(when I was 15).

[W7XF]

The autobahn is not in the US. But I never thought of the accelerator thing. I have done just that to avoid being hit on the highway from a moron that was talking on his phone. Good point.

Travis,

It is apparent you have not driven on the following:
Interstate 5: Lebec, CA to Stockton, CA (flow of traffic avg 85mph)
Interstate 8: El Cajon, CA - El Centro, CA and Wellton, AZ to Casa Grande, AZ (AZ part has regular 100+ clockings)
Interstate 10: Indio, CA to Tolleson, AZ, Tucson, AZ to El Paso, TX, El Paso, TX to San Antonio, TX
Interstate 15: Barstow, CA to Salt Lake City, UT (they don't slow down for Las Vegas!)
Interstate 20: Junction I-10 to Abilene, TX
Interstate 40: Barstow, CA to Flagstaff, AZ and Flagstaff, AZ to Albuquerque, NM
Interstate 70: Junction I-15 to Vail, CO (nothing out here...where the Ferrari's and Lambo's play)
Interstate 80: Reno, NV to Salt Lake City, UT (Nevada really doesn't do heavy speed enforcement unless one is being stupid)

that's just a small list... open, remote Interstates that can SAFELY accommodate 100mph travel if drivers had sufficient training.

[KB3LAZ]

The autobahn is not in the US. But I never thought of the accelerator thing. I have done just that to avoid being hit on the highway from a moron that was talking on his phone. Good point.

Travis,

It is apparent you have not driven on the following:
Interstate 5: Lebec, CA to Stockton, CA (flow of traffic avg 85mph)
Interstate 8: El Cajon, CA - El Centro, CA and Wellton, AZ to Casa Grande, AZ (AZ part has regular 100+ clockings)
Interstate 10: Indio, CA to Tolleson, AZ, Tucson, AZ to El Paso, TX, El Paso, TX to San Antonio, TX
Interstate 15: Barstow, CA to Salt Lake City, UT (they don't slow down for Las Vegas!)
Interstate 20: Junction I-10 to Abilene, TX
Interstate 40: Barstow, CA to Flagstaff, AZ and Flagstaff, AZ to Albuquerque, NM
Interstate 70: Junction I-15 to Vail, CO (nothing out here...where the Ferrari's and Lambo's play)
Interstate 80: Reno, NV to Salt Lake City, UT (Nevada really doesn't do heavy speed enforcement unless one is being stupid)

that's just a small list... open, remote Interstates that can SAFELY accommodate 100mph travel if drivers had sufficient training.

I dont like to leave the east coast, too many crazies. :mrgreen:

[N8YX]

...open, remote Interstates that can SAFELY accommodate 100mph travel if drivers had sufficient training.
This.

"Sufficient training" does NOT encompass mastery of the following

1) Putting on one's makeup while consuming Breakfast McSlopsage;

2) Talking on the cell-phone while turning around to swat kids who are not belted or restrained in car seats

There are times that I'm glad for the amount of horsepower and torque which is available to me at my right wrist. Either of the above in my immediate vicinity definitely qualify.

[KG4CGC]

Stupidity with cellphones isn't limited to 4 wheelers as I have just seen. Two guys on big bikes, approaching a red light, both with cellphones in hand and thumb texting.

[WØTKX]

Yea, that a nice bike. I like this one better... http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX650F/2009/GSX650F.aspx

Especially for a general street rider. Motorcycles for regular folks give plenty of thrills. But the marketing and competitive side of motorcycling means that the bikes that sell are the fastest for the least amount of $$.

What about utility, ease of use, mileage... and just plain fun? This is still one of my favorite bikes, and always will be...

http://vjmc.org/articles/honda360/projec11.jpg

[KG4CGC]

Yea, that a nice bike. I like this one better... http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX650F/2009/GSX650F.aspx

Especially for a general street rider. Motorcycles for regular folks give plenty of thrills. But the marketing and competitive side of motorcycling means that the bikes that sell are the fastest for the least amount of $$.

What about utility, ease of use, mileage... and just plain fun? This is still one of my favorite bikes, and always will be...

http://vjmc.org/articles/honda360/projec11.jpg
Now that's a nice bike!

[N8YX]

What about utility, ease of use, mileage... and just plain fun? This is still one of my favorite bikes, and always will be...

http://vjmc.org/articles/honda360/projec11.jpg
I had the CB350 version of that. My friend had the 360T (Scrambler).

Wonderful little machine. Learned all about rebuilding engines with mine, when the alternator-side crank bearing came apart. Tore the sucker down and put it back together...got many more miles out of the bike afterwards. Then...the CB750 Four lured me away ... :-|

[WØTKX]

Wonderful little machine. Learned all about rebuilding engines with mine, when the alternator-side crank bearing came apart. Tore the sucker down and put it back together...got many more miles out of the bike afterwards. Then...the CB750 Four lured me away ... :-|

I had a few variants. I think it's a shame that the mid displacement bikes are not around like they used to be. Went to a 550 and drove the heck out it... GS-550.

http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/1977_GS550_450.jpg

[N8YX]

Went to a 550 and drove the heck out it... GS-550.
Have a buddy who owned one of these for a while - we piped it (Kerker) and I did a tune job for him. Fast little sucker:

http://malawimission.com/WWG/images/1979_GS550E.jpg

[KB3LAZ]

Wonderful little machine. Learned all about rebuilding engines with mine, when the alternator-side crank bearing came apart. Tore the sucker down and put it back together...got many more miles out of the bike afterwards. Then...the CB750 Four lured me away ... :-|

I had a few variants. I think it's a shame that the mid displacement bikes are not around like they used to be. Went to a 550 and drove the heck out it... GS-550.

http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/1977_GS550_450.jpg

My first was a Gs-450.

[W7XF]

This was the 'crotch rocket' du jour when I was in high school:

[attachment=0:15h6johr]yamaha-rd-3501.jpg[/attachment:15h6johr]

[KB3LAZ]

This was the 'crotch rocket' du jour when I was in high school:

[attachment=0:1vrktl6n]yamaha-rd-3501.jpg[/attachment:1vrktl6n]

Hahaha...I had a 200 electric that I got for free. That little thing actually pulled me at like 50mph. :lol: I was not even 16 when I got it and used it to travel the back roads to my grandpas. ;)

Dude those frame stands are a biitch to put up!

[KG4CGC]

Hahaha...I had a 200 electric that I got for free. That little thing actually pulled me at like 50mph. :lol: I was not even 16 when I got it and used it to travel the back roads to my grandpas. ;)

Dude those frame stands are a biitch to put up!
Could you dig up more info on that? I'd be curious just to know about it.
Just Saying.

[KB3LAZ]

Hahaha...I had a 200 electric that I got for free. That little thing actually pulled me at like 50mph. :lol: I was not even 16 when I got it and used it to travel the back roads to my grandpas. ;)

Dude those frame stands are a biitch to put up!
Could you dig up more info on that? I'd be curious just to know about it.
Just Saying.

Oh boy...I may still have the manual for it but if not I know where the bike is to this day. I sold it to a local ham about 4 years ago.

Here you go, a pic(mine was identical).

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/yamaha/1975/9673_0_1_2_rd%20200_Image%20credits%20-%20Electric%20Keith%20Lock.jpg
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_rd_200_1975.php

Here is all the info you should need. I will tell you this, the carbs were a biitch to keep adjusted. Then again every Yamaha that I have owned rattled the carb adjusters loose once or twice a week, along with every other nut and bolt. :lol:

I took my test on that bike and failed! It was way to small and I could not pull off the figure 8. Never went back(I just renew my permit :shifty ). If I pick up a bike then I will take the test but as of late I have only borrowed my uncles bike a few times and I was back before dark so the permit sufficed. From 16-19 I rode without even that, got stopped too. :wall: Got a warning from a local boy. :mrgreen:

[KG4CGC]

You confused me with the "electric" part.

[w2amr]

On the road, no way! But I think we can agree on that.
But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere. Cars, however, seem to be another matter entirely...
WTF are you talking about? When did I say that?
I asked you a question Fred.

[KB3LAZ]

You confused me with the "electric" part.

Ya, I dont know why they called it a 200 electric beings it was gas powered. :-? I rarely had to fill the little bugger up, though.

[KG4CGC]

You confused me with the "electric" part.

Ya, I dont know why they called it a 200 electric beings it was gas powered. :-? I rarely had to fill the little bugger up, though.
But thanks none the less. Another piece of ignorance is chipped away. :)

[w2amr]

My first motorcycle looked just like this one. A 150 Honda dream, back in the early 60's
http://www.cmsnl.com/img/community/vehicles/2/21/217/21797/big_200709101558010.Ebay%20and%20Dogs%20053.jpg

[KG4CGC]

My first motorcycle looked just like this one. A 150 Honda dream, back in the early 60's
http://www.cmsnl.com/img/community/vehicles/2/21/217/21797/big_200709101558010.Ebay%20and%20Dogs%20053.jpg
There's another fine bike. Something tells it would hard to find these days.

[w2amr]

And if you did find one, they would want a small fortune for it.

I had one of these too. A street legal 125 Yamaha 2 stroke. I used to ride it on the trails along the river. In fact, my wife learned to ride on it in our back yard.
http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/attachment.php?attachmentid=16506&stc=1

[w2amr]

As you've seen, speed limits don't work. People just can't be trusted to do what's right so we're going to treat them like children.

Well we(humanity)dont have a very good track record. So I like the idea of treating us like children(for the most part).
If you don't mind, I think I'll pass on that one.

Its already being done and has been for years.
I know helmet laws are probably a good thing, but there are time when I would like to take a ride in the country and leave the damn thing home. When I was at Owens-Corning Fiberglas , I would go out with a couple of guys I worked with , and we would go to Delaware so we could ride for a couple of hours without a helmet.

[N8YX]

I asked you a question Fred.
Weren't you "done with this" a few pages back?

All through the particular thread, you've railed anti-sport bike. And you've done so elsewhere on this site, I might add.

Further, your sig-line pic has on occasion showed 'street rods' which may have (and probably were) engaged in a few side-street drag races in their day....and a bracket dragster which is easily capable of supra-legal speeds if run on the street. Not that it ever would be driven in such a fashion...and not that anyone would ever take a supersport bike up to its max top end on anything other than a closed course, right?

One can readily infer bias in your comments, written or not.

If it were up to you, there would be absolutely no sport bikes on the roads of the United States...but Harleys and muscle cars are good to go. Am I correct in surmising this?

[N8YX]

http://www.cmsnl.com/img/community/vehicles/2/21/217/21797/big_200709101558010.Ebay%20and%20Dogs%20053.jpg
There's another fine bike. Something tells it would hard to find these days.
http://www.walnecks.com

Have fun...

[N8YX]

Found one for you:

http://www.walnecks.com/find/listing/1965-HONDA-CB150-95006650

http://images.traderonline.com//img/5/dealer/748064/95006650_1thumb_550x410.jpg

[w2amr]

I asked you a question Fred.
Weren't you "done with this" a few pages back?

All through the particular thread, you've railed anti-sport bike. And you've done so elsewhere on this site, I might add.

Further, your sig-line pic has on occasion showed 'street rods' which may have (and probably were) engaged in a few side-street drag races in their day....and a bracket dragster which is easily capable of supra-legal speeds if run on the street. Not that it ever would be driven in such a fashion...and not that anyone would ever take a supersport bike up to its max top end on anything other than a closed course, right?

One can readily infer bias in your comments, written or not.

If it were up to you, there would be absolutely no sport bikes on the roads of the United States...but Harleys and muscle cars are good to go. Am I correct in surmising this?

I'll try one more time.

You said .......
"But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere."
I am challenging you to show me where I said that. And no BS about surmising or Implying.

[N8YX]

"But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere."
I am challenging you to show me where I said that. And no BS about surmising or Implying.
Here's one:

Big engine pissing contests never turned me on. For me there's more to riding than seeing how fast it will go
Another:

Even more exhilarating driving into the back of a semi @110 mph . Not too refreshing though
Another (a followup to the comment above):

I wouldn't try. Unlike most crotch rocket pilots around this area, I can have fun riding without acting like a total tool
(Implying anyone who exceeds posted speed limits is a "dick", right?)

Of course, the "insinuation" that no one who rides a sport bike knows what they're doing:

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt27/IllicoPresto/Motivational/YoureDoingItWrong7.jpg

Then a segue into snide remarks in reply to Travis' anti-speed commentary:

Wow, you just don't know what it take to be a REAL man. :lol:
And:

You mean you don't want a bike that does 100 MPH in first gear? What the hell is wrong with you? :lol:
Etc. All taken from this thread, by the way.

ETA: From a different thread in this forum:

I'll just wait till I see one wrapped around a tree, and just walk over. I'll even pee on his back pack.
That's a pretty nice gesture towards both a fellow biker and an accident victim, I might add - and I seriously hope you're being tongue-in-cheek with it. If not, please remind me to extend the same courtesy to a Harley rider who's just gone off the road at 2AM while trying to avoid a deer and is bleeding to death in some cornfield. It's generally against my principles for me to turn my back on ANY biker in need but I'll make an exception for those who dislike my choice of ride and/or my riding style.

Your expressed as well as your implied sentiments regarding speed and a certain class of motorcycle are plainly visible.

Here's a suggestion: If you folks are having such a problem with sport bike riders, up your local taxes and subsequently put more police on the streets to catch the violators. That approach has worked well in this area. There's no need to crucify those who can handle them (sport bikes) responsibly.

[w2amr]

Well Fred I have learned several things from this post.
A- you have no sense of humor. Hint, when you see one of those laughing icons Fred, that means the post is meant to be humorous.
B- You lack the ability to admit when you are wrong. But, we already knew that.
C- You take yourself way to seriously.
D- you assume too much.
All I did was point out that there seems to be a disproportionate number of motorcycle fatalities involving jap sport bikes compared to other types of bikes. I also pointed out that on the road , I see a disproportionate number driving like idiots , compared to the drivers of other types of bikes i see. Driving fast on an open road is one thing, doing 40 MPH wheelies in a residential neighborhood is another.
I happen to be a fan of several types of motorcycle racing, so your comment that I said " motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere" is just stupid and wrong.
I won't even address the tongue in cheek , and humorous comments that I made. Your lack of humor and obviously thin skin concerning this topic is your problem not mine.
If you find my posts so upsetting I suggest you put me on your ignore list. Oh Yeah, And stop making posts accusing me of saying things I never said.

[N8YX]

Hint, when you see one of those laughing icons Fred, that means the post is meant to be humorous.
Such as the one conspicuously missing from this?


I'll just wait till I see one wrapped around a tree, and just walk over. I'll even pee on his back pack.
Now...were you being "serious" here, or not? Enlighten me, please.


You lack the ability to admit when you are wrong. But, we already knew that.
I will readily admit to it if in fact I am. Which - in this case - I am not.


C- You take yourself way to seriously.
D- you assume too much.
One could say that about a number of people who are members here. And we all know the bit about "opinions", right?


All I did was point out that there seems to be a disproportionate number of motorcycle fatalities involving jap sport bikes compared to other types of bikes. I also pointed out that on the road , I see a disproportionate number driving like idiots , compared to the drivers of other types of bikes i see. Driving fast on an open road is one thing, doing 40 MPH wheelies in a residential neighborhood is another.
And I pointed out the root cause, which you seemed eager to dismiss.

If you are upset with reckless riders, then work to get the behavior stopped. I can provide you with tools to do it - legal tools - which DON'T vilify the machine but instead help to prosecute the offender. But you have to remember the old maxim: "Don't invite The Man into you life". Get the po-po looking for motorcycle-centric violations in your area and ALL riders (regardless of machine) become suspects. Law of Unintended Consequences, as it's known...


If you find my posts so upsetting I suggest you put me on your ignore list.
Won't happen. You don't upset me in the least, and if you think you are then you're the one doing the "assuming".

Now...let's examine something:


involving jap sport bikes

Take a look at the following. Which one(s) are of Asian manufacture?

http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/buell.jpg

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/buell/2006/22390_0_1_2_lightning%20xb12scg_Image%20credits%20-%20Buell.jpg

http://www.webbikeworld.com/ktm/rc8/ktm-rc8-left.jpg

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/mv%20agusta/2007/24664_0_1_2_f4%201000s%201+1_Image%20credits%20-%20MV%20Agusta.jpg

http://www.tanimodimotoclub.it/foto-moto/foto-grandi/ducati-1098-s-tricolore.jpg

http://forum.motorcycle-usa.com/attach.aspx/3429/Bimota.tesi.jpg

ETA -

By the way...Charles hit upon the best solution to this 'problem' a few pages back. Care to volunteer some of your time as an MSF Rider Coach, and thereby directly address the problem of "no training"?

[N8YX]

I'll add one more bit:


"But according to George, motorcycles have no need to go that fast anywhere."

Let me formally apologize for and hereby retract that statement - which I feel is NOT in error, but which you do - and offer the following in its place:

"One may deduce from his numerous comments on the subject that - on the street - George would have us all riding motorcycles which barely possess the ability to get out of their own way, and which likely pose a significant risk to their rider due to their inadequacies in the braking, acceleration and handling domains."

Better?

[N8YX]

You take yourself way to seriously.
Perhaps you have me confused with one of my counterparts from elsewhere? Please follow the embedded linque...

http://forums.hamisland.net/viewtopic.php?p=146258#p146258

[WØTKX]

http://zo-d.com/blog/archives/images/second-ugliest-motorcycle-build-your-own.jpg

[N8YX]

http://zo-d.com/blog/archives/images/second-ugliest-motorcycle-build-your-own.jpg
Darned crazy Russians are at it again ... :lol:

[WØTKX]

http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/cache/Cargobike/10.jpg_w500.jpg

[N8YX]

http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/cache/Cargobike/10.jpg_w500.jpg
Cadbury, meet Yamaha ... :lol:

[WØTKX]

Cadbury, meet Yamaha ... :lol:

Where the rider is the Creme in the Egg...

And now for something completely different. Shiny Harley Race Bike (http://people.exeter.ac.uk/pbhook/harley.htm)

http://people.exeter.ac.uk/pbhook/Harley2.jpg

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/se-service-harrier-modern-custom.jpg

[w2amr]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/se-service-harrier-modern-custom.jpg
Ahhhhhh. Huh?

[KG4CGC]

By the way...Charles hit upon the best solution to this 'problem' a few pages back. Care to volunteer some of your time as an MSF Rider Coach, and thereby directly address the problem of "no training"?
Now I have to look up the exact law in SC. I believe that here, you must be an employee of the state but don't hold me to that. I'll need to research that one.

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/se-service-harrier-modern-custom.jpg
Ahhhhhh. Huh?
Yeah, all I know is that it's a Harrier.
http://www.porhomme.com/tag/motorcycles/

[N8YX]

Ahhhhhh. Huh?
Center-hub steering and all that. Think Bimota Tesi, or the following:

http://gts.jp.gentei.org/about/colors/redgts.jpg

[KB3LAZ]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/se-service-harrier-modern-custom.jpg

I have a bad feeling about that one. :lol:

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/se-service-harrier-modern-custom.jpg

I have a bad feeling about that one. :lol:
I'd like to see it incorporated into a cruiser.

[w2amr]

EJ Potter , The Michigan madman.
He was on the program at Atco Dragway one night many years ago ,when I was running my car. What a show this guy put on.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vRK4ja6aPT8/SWd_HI-M9eI/AAAAAAAAAoA/BVBvriG3Jc0/s400/EJPotter.jpg

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/05/08/ej-potter-michigan-madman/

[KG4CGC]

EJ Potter , The Michigan madman.
He was on the program at Atco Dragway one night many years ago ,when I was running my car. What a show this guy put on.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vRK4ja6aPT8/SWd_HI-M9eI/AAAAAAAAAoA/BVBvriG3Jc0/s400/EJPotter.jpg

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/05/08/ej-potter-michigan-madman/
That's a HOT six!

[w2amr]

At the end of the night we helped him push it onto the trailer. That thing was heavy.

[KG4CGC]

Is that an old pic?

[w2amr]

Is that an old pic?
Very. When I saw him run it was around 1970

[w2amr]

Here is a later version, Notice there is no real frame. The back section of the bike is bolted to the right side of the engine, The front end is bolted to the left side.
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/03/medium_3333254455_7fe4f425b1_o.jpg

[w2amr]

I always enjoyed watching speedway racing on TV, but I don't see it on anymore.
[youtube:arhr1tln]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lYp-mPL43I[/youtube:arhr1tln]

[WØTKX]

[youtube:2hbernzp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klteYv1Uv9A[/youtube:2hbernzp]

[WØTKX]

[youtube:11kgfvbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdhcNZOMTN8[/youtube:11kgfvbj]

[KG4CGC]

Those were cool. Gotta roll with the flow of traffic Brah.

[w2amr]

Heh heh heh heh heh..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOL5eoKrfWE&NR=1

[KG4CGC]

Kids!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSe3R0-r-sA&feature=related'

Whole lot of morons on this page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoE2BHmmffw&feature=related

[KG4CGC]

How to ruin a date.
Oooo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVjGW7cD5EM&feature=related

[KG4CGC]

Hey Gunther! Look how smart I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDMMj3AQlM&feature=related

[w2amr]

Hey Gunther! Look how smart I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDMMj3AQlM&feature=related
Bwaaaaaaa :lol:
Cycletards.

[w2amr]

I know, there isn't any motorcycle. But still........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvweU4WxuQ8&feature=related

[KG4CGC]

I know, there isn't any motorcycle. But still........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvweU4WxuQ8&feature=related
HAA! I think I woke the neighborhood with an outburst!

[w2amr]

A kid who used to work with us, stopped in yesterday to show us the 1200 CC sportster he just bought. It got me to thinking, Harley has been making the Sporty for 52 years. I doubt that record will ever be topped by any motorcycle manufacturer.

[N8YX]

Took this pic at the Cleveland IX Center - Cycle World show - a few years back. Both a huffer and NOS present:

http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_3785/Dragbk1.jpg

[N8YX]

A kid who used to work with us, stopped in yesterday to show us the 1200 CC sportster he just bought. It got me to thinking, Harley has been making the Sporty for 52 years. I doubt that record will ever be topped by any motorcycle manufacturer.
Sorry, George...but that honor goes to Royal Enfield:

http://www.bikesandscooters.com.au/forum/news-feeds/8728-royal-enfield-bullet-world-s-longest-running-production-motorcycle.html

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2008models/2008-RoyalEnfield-Bullet500esClassica.jpg

In production since 1948, and demand in Indonesia, India and nearby regions is at an all-time high.

[WØTKX]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley. :shock:

Royal Enfield (India) Bullet Machismo 500 Limited Edition (http://www.royalenfield.com/Motorcycles/machismo500.aspx)

Oooooooo! Shiiiiinnny! :mrgreen: :lol: Aye LIKE it!

http://www.royalenfield.com/images/Products/machismo-500-landing.jpg

[N8YX]

I have a number of Indian friends - continental and native American, both. There is a displacement limit for motorcycles in India, and when one of our Mumbai-based coworkers was in town a couple years back, we took him outside our main facility and into the motorcycle parking area. He was blown away by the Valkyries, Harley dressers, Gold Wings and other large-displacement bikes which were present.

That's why they all want to emigrate here - there's simply no replacement for displacement. :lol:

My friend Amit currently has two bikes. His main commuter is a 150cc single and I've joked with him that my starter motor makes more horsepower than his bike does!

[w2amr]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

[WØTKX]

Yea, they have lots of smaller displacement cars too. Different rules, but the enthusiasm for cars and bikes in India is really cool... they do interesting things with their machines because, and sometimes in spite of, those rules. 8)

http://www.indiaon2wheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tvs-apache-rtr-180.jpg

[youtube:i0noy80l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E82HK-ZKl9M[/youtube:i0noy80l]

[w2amr]

A kid who used to work with us, stopped in yesterday to show us the 1200 CC sportster he just bought. It got me to thinking, Harley has been making the Sporty for 52 years. I doubt that record will ever be topped by any motorcycle manufacturer.
Sorry, George...but that honor goes to Royal Enfield:

http://www.bikesandscooters.com.au/forum/news-feeds/8728-royal-enfield-bullet-world-s-longest-running-production-motorcycle.html

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2008models/2008-RoyalEnfield-Bullet500esClassica.jpg

In production since 1948, and demand in Indonesia, India and nearby regions is at an all-time high.
My bad, never heard of it.

[WØTKX]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

No. Why the hell would I? :lol: :lol: :lol:

While I have dealt with flooded bikes (no kick available) it's quite doubtful I would ever find myself in that predicament. Particularly after witnessing other riders dealing with it.

Message from the other side of the universe:
Taking off all the plastic to fix the flooding is just as much of a PITA. ;)

[w2amr]

[quote="WØTKX":qtv7c1fz]Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

No. Why the hell would I? :lol: :lol: :lol:

While I have dealt with flooded bikes (no kick available) it's quite doubtful I would ever find myself in that predicament. Particularly after witnessing other riders dealing with it.

Message from the other side of the universe:
Taking off all the plastic to fix the flooding is just as much of a PITA. ;)[/quote:qtv7c1fz]
Well, you did mention a MAN'S motorcycle. :lol:

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/THE-MASTER-LOCKING-TAPE-MEASURE-368.jpg

[WØTKX]

Darn good thing that measuring "unit" is in safety yellow. :mrgreen:

[w2amr]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AMNWSVVHL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[KB3LAZ]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

Ever try to start an 80's model FatBoy? What a PITA. I used to ride my uncles(hes not really my uncle but rather a family friend) and that sob was such a pita to start. He had two of them and they were both the same way. It was fun to bet someone $50 that they could not start it with 3 kicks or less. :mrgreen:

He still has both of them but one is in a box. :doh:

[N8YX]

Ever try to start an 80's model FatBoy?
Nope...considering that model wasn't introduced until 1991 ... :naughty:

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/1062sc.jpg

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/89091side2big.jpg

[N8YX]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/89091side2big.jpg
There's a certain "Forbidden Zone" thread where such a device is needed ... :roll: :lol:

[KG4CGC]

Yeah, I don't think there is a tape measure large enough for it though.

[KB3LAZ]

Ever try to start an 80's model FatBoy?
Nope...considering that model wasn't introduced until 1991 ... :naughty:

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/1062sc.jpg

Must be mistaken on the model then. It was awhile back. :oops: However research shows that the first fatboy came off the line in 1989 and was up for sale in mid 1990. ;)

[WØTKX]

http://www.normanrockwellvt.com/FramedPrintsII/MeasuringUp.jpg

[w2amr]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

Ever try to start an 80's model FatBoy? What a PITA. I used to ride my uncles(hes not really my uncle but rather a family friend) and that sob was such a pita to start. He had two of them and they were both the same way. It was fun to bet someone $50 that they could not start it with 3 kicks or less. :mrgreen:

He still has both of them but one is in a box. :doh:
A Fat Boy with a kick starter? I learn something new every day.

[KB3LAZ]

Here is the real man's Motorcycle. Nope, not a Harley.
Have you ever tried to start a flooded XLCH Sportster?

Ever try to start an 80's model FatBoy? What a PITA. I used to ride my uncles(hes not really my uncle but rather a family friend) and that sob was such a pita to start. He had two of them and they were both the same way. It was fun to bet someone $50 that they could not start it with 3 kicks or less. :mrgreen:

He still has both of them but one is in a box. :doh:
A Fat Boy with a kick starter? I learn something new every day.

Hehe..i called him. I was mistaken the fatboy was a 1992. The bikes I remember were a 1973 and 1989 lowrider. :whistle: So I cant remember models for shiit. :wall: I was also told that if I can find a Fatboy of either year that he would pay any price for. :lol:

[N8YX]

A Fat Boy with a kick starter? I learn something new every day.
Throw one of these in it and you're all set. May have to lose the shotgun pipes, though:

http://img.jpcycles.com/product/620-320_A.jpg

http://www.jpcycles.com/Search/ProductDetail?sku=620-320&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=product_number&Ne=0&N=0&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=sku_search&results=10

[N8YX]

Must be mistaken on the model then. It was awhile back. :oops: However research shows that the first fatboy came off the line in 1989 and was up for sale in mid 1990. ;)
Correct. Off-by-one error on my part.

Extra points if you can tell me what role Duc Dufour had in the creation of the FLSTF model.

And by the way...I know where one of the two originals are sitting. Neener!

[W7XF]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/89091side2big.jpg
There's a certain "Forbidden Zone" thread where such a device is needed ... :roll: :lol:

Change the buttons to knobs and it'll be right at home on QRZ... :lol:

[w2amr]

A Fat Boy with a kick starter? I learn something new every day.
Throw one of these in it and you're all set. May have to lose the shotgun pipes, though:

http://img.jpcycles.com/product/620-320_A.jpg

http://www.jpcycles.com/Search/ProductDetail?sku=620-320&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=product_number&Ne=0&N=0&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=sku_search&results=10
No thanks, The button works just fine.

[KB3LAZ]

A Fat Boy with a kick starter? I learn something new every day.
Throw one of these in it and you're all set. May have to lose the shotgun pipes, though:

http://img.jpcycles.com/product/620-320_A.jpg

http://www.jpcycles.com/Search/ProductDetail?sku=620-320&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=product_number&Ne=0&N=0&Ntt=620-320&Ntk=sku_search&results=10
No thanks, The button works just fine.

Ain't man enough to kick it? ;)

[N8YX]

Ain't man enough to kick it? ;)
When he still owned the bike, I could start my buddy's '75 FX by "kicking" with my arm.

[KB3LAZ]

Ain't man enough to kick it? ;)
When he still owned the bike, I could start my buddy's '75 FX by "kicking" with my arm.

No compression? :chin: I could not even do that with my dirt bikes.

[WØTKX]

:lol:

[youtube:16ada1gg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMFEnbwBJGc[/youtube:16ada1gg]

[N8YX]

Ain't man enough to kick it? ;)
When he still owned the bike, I could start my buddy's '75 FX by "kicking" with my arm.

No compression? :chin: I could not even do that with my dirt bikes.
9.5:1 is hardly "no compression".

It's all in the trans gearing, and the compensating sprocket/clutch sprocket tooth ratios. Think "mechanical advantage". If the various parts of the system are set up correctly then they're very easy to kick start.

My CB350 was more of a handful in that department ...

[w2amr]

A Yamaha Stratoliner is for sale in front of a house that Leyna and I pass every day on our walk. It is a 2006 with only 350 miles on the clock. It really is a slick looking bike.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200608/2007-yamaha-stratoliner_460x0w.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/yamaha-stratoliner/ke1807.html&usg=__NTmN5Hj_BI_tT5P2wOQsBT6C3D8=&h=307&w=460&sz=26&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=sbPZKNt_eRjL_M:&tbnh=85&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3D2006%2Byamaha%2Btouring%2Bbike%26hl%3 Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/347021221.jpg

[w2amr]

That did not end well. :lol:

[KB3LAZ]

A Yamaha Stratoliner is for sale in front of a house that Leyna and I pass every day on our walk. It is a 2006 with only 350 miles on the clock. It really is a slick looking bike.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200608/2007-yamaha-stratoliner_460x0w.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/yamaha-stratoliner/ke1807.html&usg=__NTmN5Hj_BI_tT5P2wOQsBT6C3D8=&h=307&w=460&sz=26&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=sbPZKNt_eRjL_M:&tbnh=85&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3D2006%2Byamaha%2Btouring%2Bbike%26hl%3 Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

My uncle Bill has a Royal star Venture, not sexy but it is comfy. His son has a V-Star 650, a bit small for my likes.

[W7XF]

I had to go to the Suzuki m/c dealer today to order a part for my bike....
and was promptly advised by the salessheep (no salescritter there is a day over 21) that they had a 'Busa marked down to $11995. Not a bad deal...but that is NOT a bike to be owned by someone that holds a CDL. Can we say COP MAGNET???

Was told by the sales manager (when they figured out I'm an obviously mature rider with no desire to ride or own such a ludicrous excess of motorcycle) they had it sold 8 times so far, just to have the buyer back out when he/she discovered that any insurance over and above basic liability was unavailable to them. So... they saw me as someone that had a chance to be able to insure it... and pounced.

There are a couple of Gixxer 1000's there I would not mind owning... but not a 'Busa. And, a 2009 model of what I already own. Not interested in another monthly payment for a while.

[WØTKX]

I've put about 500 miles on that 1999 Concours now. No payments... :mrgreen:

[w2amr]

Morons, the best of. :dance:
[youtube:35dpmslz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPPcxpCZMfw[/youtube:35dpmslz]

[N8YX]

Morons, the best of.
Indeed!
[youtube:sgyhzo5i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHEeMkrMOtE[/youtube:sgyhzo5i]

[KG4CGC]

What a waste.

[N8YX]

Was told by the sales manager (when they figured out I'm an obviously mature rider with no desire to ride or own such a ludicrous excess of motorcycle) they had it sold 8 times so far, just to have the buyer back out when he/she discovered that any insurance over and above basic liability was unavailable to them. So... they saw me as someone that had a chance to be able to insure it... and pounced.
I checked on insurance for a new ZX14. Full coverage; sky-high maximums, the works...only adds $500/yr to my existing premiums. If I were to reduce the full-coverage maximums so as to be in line with those which my touring bikes enjoy, the yearly fee drops to 2/3 of that.

[N8YX]

What a waste.
Look at it this way: All those totaled Hogs keep the swap-meet parts scene hoppin' ! :dance

[KG4CGC]

All the bikes were a waste.
Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.

[N8YX]

Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.
The subtly thrilling adventure of motocross is sadly lost on you, Charles ... :-|

[KG4CGC]

Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.
The subtly thrilling adventure of motocross is sadly lost on you, Charles ... :-|
Motocross has not entered the picture but thanks none the less.

[N8YX]

Motocross has not entered the picture but thanks none the less.
You really need a dual-sport bike. Or what we used to call an "Enduro". Being able to run on fire roads, abandoned right-of-ways and similar trails opens up an entirely new dimension to motorcycling.

[KG4CGC]

Motocross has not entered the picture but thanks none the less.
You really need a dual-sport bike. Or what we used to call an "Enduro". Being able to run on fire roads, abandoned right-of-ways and similar trails opens up an entirely new dimension to motorcycling.
Hmmm, sounds socialist.

[w2amr]

All the bikes were a waste.
Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.
I'm sure the dealers would love to see more of this stuff.

[N8YX]

Hmmm, sounds socialist.
Quite bourgeois, as a matter of fact.

[w2amr]

Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.
The subtly thrilling adventure of motocross is sadly lost on you, Charles ... :-|
Motocross has not entered the picture but thanks none the less.
Yeah, I must have missed that too. :lol:

[N8YX]

All the bikes were a waste.
Hands on the bars and feet on the pegs with both wheels on the ground at all times is all the fun I need.
I'm sure the dealers would love to see more of this stuff.
Gotta turn Harley's sales slump around somehow ...

[KG4CGC]

bolsheviks

[N8YX]

Yeah, I must have missed that too. :lol:
Get back to building your tube radios. We're talking high-speed DDS here. :lol:

[w2amr]

Yeah, I must have missed that too. :lol:
Get back to building your tube radios. We're talking high-speed DDS here. :lol:
No, we were talking about morons crashing sport bikes. Remember?

[N8YX]

No, we were talking about morons crashing sport bikes. Remember?
"Two dopes; one ditch".

Thought for sure those were Road Kings ... :mrgreen:

[w2amr]

I give this one a 9.5
[youtube:q8xi8870]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUYz0MBbaVU[/youtube:q8xi8870]

[N8YX]

Here's a good one:

[youtube:1ck2a3fk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQFRfIadnk8[/youtube:1ck2a3fk]

[w2amr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AeRbqhi0I&feature=related

[N8YX]

Oopsie! Yet ANOTHER Harley "sportbike" crash - around the 2:40 mark:

[youtube:krpgpml8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qc5HHDpF9s[/youtube:krpgpml8]

[N8YX]

I hear George is "easily distracted" while on his Softail:

(NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI

[KG4CGC]

(NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI
Love that bit! :P

[w2amr]

(NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI
Love that bit! :P
Isn't that Christina Applegate?

[KG4CGC]

yeppers

[W7XF]

I checked on insurance for a new ZX14. Full coverage; sky-high maximums, the works...only adds $500/yr to my existing premiums. If I were to reduce the full-coverage maximums so as to be in line with those which my touring bikes enjoy, the yearly fee drops to 2/3 of that.

For someone like you or I, being mature, experienced riders, we don't warrant insurance premiums that are in the F2 layer.
But, a 18, 19, 20 year old rider....if he/she can get any insurance above liability, the premiums can EASILY be double, triple or even quadruple what you or I pay, or even those multiples of the note on the bike if they have as much as one ticket.

Yes, I have a capable, fast motorcycle. But...with all it taking is a trooper's punching in the tag number of it in his in-car computer, BINGO!!!! The trooper now knows I have a CDL...and is instantly looking for an excuse. My MVR is spotless. 'Nuff said.

[N8YX]

Yes, I have a capable, fast motorcycle. But...with all it taking is a trooper's punching in the tag number of it in his in-car computer, BINGO!!!! The trooper now knows I have a CDL...and is instantly looking for an excuse. My MVR is spotless. 'Nuff said.
Make sure you ride at or under the speed limit and verify this with a GPS, whose electronic "trail" is admissible in court as evidence. Be mighty embarrassing for Sooper Trooper to write you for, say, 80 in a 55 and be handed his butt. Be funnier yet if a demonstrative pattern of incompetence on said Trooper's behalf was evidenced.

[W7XF]

Yes, I have a capable, fast motorcycle. But...with all it taking is a trooper's punching in the tag number of it in his in-car computer, BINGO!!!! The trooper now knows I have a CDL...and is instantly looking for an excuse. My MVR is spotless. 'Nuff said.
Make sure you ride at or under the speed limit and verify this with a GPS, whose electronic "trail" is admissible in court as evidence. Be mighty embarrassing for Sooper Trooper to write you for, say, 80 in a 55 and be handed his butt. Be funnier yet if a demonstrative pattern of incompetence on said Trooper's behalf was evidenced.

Actually, if that happened, I'd be handing that trooper's butt to the US Marshals Service upon my acquittal. Ya know, da Fedz don't take lightly to perjury, false arrest and unlawful detention charges against a law enforcement officer.

[KG4CGC]

Guy just came out of nowhere!
Not for the squeeemish.





















http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/2ltrnzq.gif

Not sure which one was running the light but as you can see, the car always wins. Rule #1.

[WØTKX]

And now for something much happier, and enlightening.

Even if the batteries are heavy. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzi4tL3QMWk

[youtube:ykaowz4d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzi4tL3QMWk[/youtube:ykaowz4d]

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/16hjgqx.gif

[WØTKX]

Charles. Seriously... WTF is your system ? :clap:

http://members.tripod.com/~JeanetteY/thumb163.jpg

:snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker:

[KG4CGC]

I like these.

http://future-motorcycles.com/serpent-custom-bike/
http://bikeweek.com/news.cfm/mode/details/id/2395
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43191
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Custom%20Bikes/aito_custom_bike.htm
http://www.rawhorsepower.com/Bikes/gallery01bikes.htm

Not that I'd actually want to ride any of them. They just look ... different.
I don't want to bottom out the frame or scrape in a turn. Too much shift to worry about on normal roads.

[N8YX]

If I had $80k to shell out...it would be for the following. There's just something to be said for a 260 RWHP, supercharged production motorcycle. :lol:

http://www.autoevolution.com/images/moto_gallery/medium/MUNCHMAMUTH2000-medium-1277_6.jpg

[KG4CGC]

If I had $80k to shell out...it would be for the following. There's just something to be said for a 260 RWHP, supercharged production motorcycle. :lol:

http://www.autoevolution.com/images/moto_gallery/medium/MUNCHMAMUTH2000-medium-1277_6.jpg
Where do the saddle bags and fanny pack go?

[KG4CGC]

I'm also afraid that the handlebars aren't big enough to keep the tassels from getting sucked into the intake.

[N8YX]

Where do the saddle bags and fanny pack go?
On my other motorcycles. :dance

[N8YX]

Hey George...you still thinking about a tank for your 750?

I'm headed to the vintage swap meet tomorrow, and will also be at the event on Saturday and Sunday. I'll have a camera/phone with me to take pix "on the spot" if you want to check it out before I buy...

[w2amr]

Hey George...you still thinking about a tank for your 750?

I'm headed to the vintage swap meet tomorrow, and will also be at the event on Saturday and Sunday. I'll have a camera/phone with me to take pix "on the spot" if you want to check it out before I buy...
Tnx Fred but I'm going to keep what I have. I have the Chevelle apart for an underhood makeover, and funds are tight.

[w2amr]

Hey George...you still thinking about a tank for your 750?

I'm headed to the vintage swap meet tomorrow, and will also be at the event on Saturday and Sunday. I'll have a camera/phone with me to take pix "on the spot" if you want to check it out before I buy...
Tnx Fred but I'm going to keep what I have. I have the Chevelle apart for an underhood makeover, and funds are tight.
I found a new chrome brake booster and master cylinder for it on Craigs list . Niiiiiiice. :dance: