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ad4mg
06-21-2021, 07:51 AM
On January 19, 2007, Mike, AL2N started the "Island of Misfit Hams". To say that the years since have been a bumpy ride for the forums is a major understatement. Many members have come and gone... too many departed as silent keys. Management has changed several times... ditto for "ownership". "Ownership" barely has an application in the real world in regards to the forums, as the site has a very low dollar value.

While that is true, the site has a very high sentimental value. This is confirmed by the very loyal core group who has supported the forums for many years in one manner or the other, be it via active posts and contributions to actual financial donations.

It seems that amateur radio related forums have suffered a steep decline in active membership and activity. They may deny this, but traffic at QRZ is very low compared to what it used to be. eHam also seems to be losing serious contributors these days. HamIsland is no exception... since the 1st of the year, the daily number of posts/comments has averaged less than 4. The statistics indicate 1,427 members, with 222 being considered "active". I'll need to review the criteria used by the software to determine what constitutes an active member. I do note that, on an average day, only 1 or 2 dozen registered members visit the site in that 24 hour period. No matter how you interpret those figures, less than 4 posts per day is very, very low. When compared to server expenses/software/domain registrations, we're looking at a cost of over $1.00 per post.

Donations are on a similar path. Here are the numbers from Jan 1, 2021, to today:

Donated: $ 35.00
Fees: $ 1.62
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Net: $ 33.38

Jan - Jun: $569.70
Net Donations: $ 33.38
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Shortfall: $536.32

That "shortfall" is coming out of my pocket. That, my friends, has been the norm for as long as I have pushed, fought, and committed to keeping us on the web. Looking back, I can recall 4 server migrations, a software upgrade to vBulletin, and 4 "owners". We currently recognize 3 owners on the main page, but I count that group as 1 for the sake of discussion.

Clearly, none of this is sustainable. Even though I never expected the site to net any sort of profit, it is becoming insane how much money I have put into this. My only goal was to provide a forum for fellow amateur radio operators to communicate common interests without being hassled by strong-armed forum administration.

Going forward, I will be turning everyday operations over to an interested party soon, a person who has new ideas for the site. I feel that I have carried my share of the burden long enough. I intend to stay active here in whatever manner is deemed necessary. There is no hard timeline for this transition at this time, but it is inevitable.

Changes are required to make this worth the effort. First, and most important, all of our members need to become more active. With over 200 active members, it isn't realistic to accept that nobody has anything to contribute in the vast number of topics discussed here. There are several forums dedicated to the technical aspects of the service with excellent signal to noise ratios not found on other forums. We have forums dedicated to other hobbies and interests, and are always open to suggestions regarding new forums, within reason. We are nearly at the point now that we are at forum overload, with just too many different forums for one site. We don't want to emulate QRZ with their endless list of forums and sub-forums, many of which are totally ignored by their members.

Photographs! We need more! Field Day, Contests, antennas, shack photos, pet photos, and photos which are simply meant to be shared. I will look at the allowable size for images later today, and will increase those limits, within reason. We won't allow a 4240x3200 12MB JPEG that will "blow up" the forum layout on any sized monitor, but we'll find a happy medium.

Donations... ever since I have been involved in donations here, it is always the same 10-12 individuals who pony up. And, like I did when Jeff was the owner, some contribute too much. It has never been expected that a few individuals would shoulder so much of the financial load. I personally never expected that I would have to consistently assume so much of the financial burden to keep us going. I'm not complaining, but I am grumbling a bit because, frankly it's getting old.

So, lets see some comments on this, and a hell of an increase in the overall commenting activity in the forums. As always, I'll leave donations up to the individual, and will state that any donation is greatly appreciated.

73,
Luke - ad4mg

ad4mg
06-21-2021, 07:57 PM
Activity after nearly 21 hours today:

17588

One is a new member, KO4RIC, who just got his ticket today! Congratulations! :clap:

PA5COR
06-23-2021, 03:46 AM
Since i started to post less political stuff i still visit every day here, if financial to situation is dire i chip in.
I visit a number of ham related sites local and abroad, most see a downturn in interest or less postings, happens also on the satellite sites that boomed in the 1990's.

Social media, different interests, changing tone on boards all will have something to do with it.
Income here is decent for an pensioner, not that i can throw money around, but good causes get my support, this is one of them.
Looks like another little contribution is in order, maybe even post a bit more ;)
Thanks for all input the guy's in the background do to keep this up.
SO, just my 2 p, from the other side of the ocean..
Better the contribution on it's way.

Transactiereferentie: 20672268022065575

WZ7U
06-24-2021, 03:48 PM
Maybe put up a pay wall for a political sub, draw all the old rich fux over from over yonder and beat their politics into the ground.

It sort of worked for the guy in my sig line......



Ouch, ouch stop hitting me!!

VE7DCW
06-24-2021, 10:25 PM
Maybe put up a pay wall for a political sub, draw all the old rich fux over from over yonder and beat their politics into the ground.

It sort of worked for the guy in my sig line......



Ouch, ouch stop hitting me!!

Ugh..... Phredco! ........ please stop moving so we can hit you some more!!!! :mrgreen:

ad4mg
06-25-2021, 06:16 AM
Maybe put up a pay wall for a political sub, draw all the old rich fux over from over yonder and beat their politics into the ground.

It sort of worked for the guy in my sig line......



Ouch, ouch stop hitting me!!

Charging members for anything here is contrary to Island tradition. Additionally, those of a particular political bent don't have the gonads to post in our political forum now, and it's free.

WZ7U
06-25-2021, 02:16 PM
Lol, I see my comments woke some up. I know that charging admission is contrary to the belief set here (and I appreciate that personally) but those political types over yonder like to convince people they are the winning team (so much winning). I figured why not part the fools from their money?

n6hcm
06-29-2021, 02:05 AM
I've just pressed the button to send a contribution. I generally do when these situations come up. You know, TANSTAAFL and all that.

The NPR station I listen to has fundraisers 2x each year. You know, everyone does know thst it costs to have an ongoing concern, but people don't think about this until you remind them, so remind them. It is unreasonable for anyone to expect you to carry this burden, so don't do it.

I am not a big contributor here: I don't write often (we do have a fair bit of politics, and I am so politically worn out) ... And I don't talk about ham stuff because I'm not particularly accomplished. I've spared you all a story of covid lite, a now-three-year job search, and a sick kitty who has mostly recovered. I'll continue to do what I can...

n6hcm
07-06-2021, 12:37 AM
Looks like the https certificate is dead. Expired?

WZ7U
07-06-2021, 08:25 AM
Back now for me

ad4mg
07-06-2021, 09:57 AM
Looks like the https certificate is dead. Expired?

Yep! Michael jumped right on it this morning. :clap:


Back now for me

We should be good until 10/04/2021. :smoker:

ad4mg
07-13-2021, 05:48 AM
We need to renew our domain names this month. That's another $100 if I do the usual 2 year renewal. Donations since I started this thread won't quite cover the server costs for this month, although I am very grateful for the help received.

Small donations really add up. I understand folks feel the economic pinch from the effects of the pandemic, but if 10 folks pitched in $10, the server is covered.

I'm on a fixed income (only my pension) now. SS is still more than a year out due to my age. Property taxes hammered me in June for over $1,000.

A little help would go a long way!

BTW - Paypal link at the top of the page isn't working again, but the donate button at the bottom of the page works. And, I do not have any issues with personal checks. My address listed in callbooks for the last 20+ years is good.

Thanks!

N8YX
07-13-2021, 10:41 AM
Just dropped a little lettuce in the domain fund.

ad4mg
07-13-2021, 11:03 AM
Just dropped a little lettuce in the domain fund.


Yep! Domain renewals are done for a year! Thanks!

KD8TUT
07-15-2021, 07:36 AM
Yep! Domain renewals are done for a year! Thanks!

Wonderful!

ad4mg
07-16-2021, 05:59 AM
After domain renewals, FYI:

17598

So, we've paid through 8/16/2021. I'm hoping a dozen or so members who haven't previously helped will take the initiative. I would like the usual 10 or so folks who always answer the call for donations to allow others to take up the slack. It just isn't fair for the same dozen or so who always donate to continue. We have plenty of active members who can help. Small donations can cover our operating costs if enough of us contribute.

The Island isn't going to magically stay on the internet forever if we don't support it. Ask yourself what the value of the forums mean to you, and donate accordingly. This battle horse is getting old and tired, and cannot continue to shoulder so much of the burden for much longer.

BTW - machine specs are listed on that invoice. We have a pretty nice, and fast box for our forums.

PA5COR
07-16-2021, 09:29 AM
Transactiereferentie: 20697351549021434
20 dollars extra for the trouble ;)

ad4mg
07-16-2021, 02:37 PM
Donation received, Cor! Thanks!

PA5COR
07-17-2021, 10:06 AM
Come on guy's we can do better as letting one or 2 guy's foot the bills....
This place is about being misfit hams and i think we can help out here, if i can with my pension we all can add something in the kitty.
Ham spirit asked....:scratchchin:

ad4mg
07-18-2021, 05:00 AM
Come on guy's we can do better as letting one or 2 guy's foot the bills....
This place is about being misfit hams and i think we can help out here, if i can with my pension we all can add something in the kitty.
Ham spirit asked....:scratchchin:


We have received several donations in the past couple of days, enough to cover the server expenses for July and August! Thanks so much to everyone... this should take care of us long enough for me to recover from a couple of recent financial 'hits'.

Thanks, and 73!
Luke

BTW - if anyone made a donation and hasn't received an acknowledgement/thank you email from me, please let me know by PM here! I do intend to reply to every donation as they are received.

W3WN
07-21-2021, 11:49 AM
Sorry Luke. I hadn't seen this thread the last few days. A small contribution has been made.

KB2SFH
09-15-2021, 05:16 PM
I clicked the donate link and got a this page doesn't exist:dunno:


Sorry Luke. I hadn't seen this thread the last few days. A small contribution has been made.

KG4CGC
09-15-2021, 05:52 PM
I clicked the donate link and got a this page doesn't exist:dunno:


Sorry Luke. I hadn't seen this thread the last few days. A small contribution has been made.[/QUOTE

Try the yellow button at the bottom.