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W5BRM
12-16-2016, 01:45 AM
Caught this on Reddit. While the owner of the phone installed the software, I wonder how hard a remote rootkit and hidden install by nefarious hackers might be. Kind of an eyeopener of how insecure these really are...

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/5iknmp/a_film_student_let_a_thief_steal_his_smartphone/.compact <----- relevant thread (now locked)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpN9NzO4Mo8

NA4BH
12-21-2016, 11:29 PM
That was interesting. Thanks

WZ7U
12-22-2016, 01:33 AM
Yes it was. Goes to show what's going on out there in the big bad world. Now I can ratchet up the paranoia another half click without feeling like I'm indulging. :yes:

Does make me want to reconsider any online activity until properly briefed on proper protocol for BS avoidance (beyond the obvious 'don't go to porn', etc)

KK4AMI
12-22-2016, 05:50 AM
Umm, gotta show this to the wife. I practice cell phone security. By that I mean that I usually forget to carry my old flip phone with me. :lol:

PS- I want a new law that makes it a criminal act to force another to look at your cell phone pictures. At least when my dad whipped out the Slide Projector and screen, we kids knew to leave the room. Now they whip that 7 inch screen right in your face to look at grandkids, huntin' and house remodeling pictures.

NQ6U
12-22-2016, 12:19 PM
The hacker would need direct access to hardware--that is, have your phone in hand--to be able to make such an attack unless you have purposely circumvented the protection measures put in place by the manufacturer. Android phones are more vulnerable than iPhones because they're a more open system. That's typically seen as a good thing by people who like to tinker with their phones but the trade off is reduced security. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

KC2UGV
12-22-2016, 12:27 PM
You should never trust your phone to not spy on you, these days. Even with location turned off, the E911 chip reports location. God knows what else is in that chip.

W2NAP
12-22-2016, 12:30 PM
You should never trust your phone to not spy on you, these days. Even with location turned off, the E911 chip reports location. God knows what else is in that chip.

well we all ready know all cell traffic is captured and stored by NSA

NQ6U
12-22-2016, 12:45 PM
well we all ready know all cell traffic is captured and stored by NSA

Only the metadata--who's calling whom--not the actual content. Even the NSA can't do that. Not yet.

KC2UGV
12-22-2016, 12:47 PM
Only the metadata--who's calling whom--not the actual content. Even the NSA can't do that. Not yet.

Why not? Verizon does it with their customers... Speech to text is almost wire speed these days.

KK4AMI
12-22-2016, 01:02 PM
What about data storage and a set of eyeballs to read all that stuff. It is hard to process that much data, so much so that I'm actually starting to doubt that Santa has a usable "naughty and nice" list.

I'm sorry, I believe I believe!

NQ6U
12-22-2016, 01:13 PM
I'm actually starting to doubt that Santa has a usable "naughty and nice" list.

Of course he does—why do you think he's so jolly? He knows where all the bad girls live.

KC2UGV
12-22-2016, 01:21 PM
What about data storage and a set of eyeballs to read all that stuff. It is hard to process that much data, so much so that I'm actually starting to doubt that Santa has a usable "naughty and nice" list.

I'm sorry, I believe I believe!

Big data analysis hardly needs eyes, for the most part.

W2NAP
12-22-2016, 02:23 PM
Big data analysis hardly needs eyes, for the most part.

just a good set of search terms.

if anyone hasn't seen it the snowden film was pretty good.

KC2UGV
12-22-2016, 02:39 PM
just a good set of search terms.

if anyone hasn't seen it the snowden film was pretty good.

And some good map reduce jobs, and you make short work of multi-petabyte data sets.