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w0aew
03-12-2015, 09:15 AM
Since that theme keeps popping up in some ham forums, maybe the FCC should consider testing prospective hams for the ability to distinguish between scientifically derived theories and crap from GOP mouthpieces.


Climate change contrarians have sought all sorts of explanations for why humans aren’t causing global warming, ranging from changes in solar activity (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/23/no-the-sun-isnt-driving-global-warming/) to natural cycles in Earth’s own wobbly climate system (http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-natural-cycle.htm). Another increasingly popular reason given (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/10/svensmark-global-warming-stopped-and-a-cooling-is-beginning-enjoy-global-warming-while-it-lasts/) is cosmic rays (http://business.financialpost.com/2011/08/26/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled/) — highly energetic particles from outer space sources that are constantly bombarding our planet (http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/cosmic-rays-particles-outer-space).


Scientists have long considered (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/nov/05/comprehensive-study-shows-cosmic-rays-are-not-causing-global-warming) this argument to be baseless (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/31/no-a-new-study-does-not-show-cosmic-rays-are-connected-to-global-warming/), and now a new study hammers that point home further. Changes in how many cosmic rays hit Earth could affect temperatures in the short term, but not in the long term, researchers reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (http://dx.doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1420291112).



More here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/12/no-cosmic-rays-arent-causing-global-warming/).

K4PIH
03-12-2015, 10:13 AM
Yep. That and Chemtrails drive me nuts. There are current posts in the forum on the ZED that are environmentally charged and yet the mods do nothing but delete my replies because I take the mods to task and tell them to do their jobs. All this enviromental politically charged crap is against the rules over there, but not if you are one of the chosen ones. Part of that FCC education should be centered on posting that right-wing crap on sites and not getting sucked into it.

n2ize
03-13-2015, 11:54 AM
Yep. That and Chemtrails drive me nuts. There are current posts in the forum on the ZED that are environmentally charged and yet the mods do nothing but delete my replies because I take the mods to task and tell them to do their jobs. All this enviromental politically charged crap is against the rules over there, but not if you are one of the chosen ones. Part of that FCC education should be centered on posting that right-wing crap on sites and not getting sucked into it.

I first heard about the Chemtrail conspiracy theory back around 1990, before the Internet was very popular and when most who had it were on slow dialup. As the Internet took shape I started hearing more and more about chemtrails. So, I decided to take a completely unbiased look at the "phenomenon". I started reading the claims made by chemtrails believers, I read the various theories they had for why chemtrails are being done, how they are being created, etc. One of the first things I noticed was a lack of any scientific research and mostly anecdotal stories, hunches, etc. But it got worst, the more I read into the conspiracy theory the less and less plausible it became. It simply makes no sense no matter how you look at it. I finally decided chemtrails are bullshit. What these people are seeing are normal aircraft contrails. They are comprised of tiny droplets of water or tiny cystals of ice. But don't tell them I said that :)

K4PIH
03-13-2015, 12:05 PM
You are right, you can't tell those people anything because it would destroy the community of crack pots they belong to. I spent a lot of time around and in aircraft in 22 years of service and I never saw anyone adding "chemicals" to the fuel, never read any documentation that said it was occuring, and believe me I had access to everything. To believe in chemtrails is to believe that we were doing it to our enemies back in WWII. Yes it infurates me to even read about chemtrails and other stuff because it brings ridicule to any serious scientific study.


I first heard about the Chemtrail conspiracy theory back around 1990, before the Internet was very popular and when most who had it were on slow dialup. As the Internet took shape I started hearing more and more about chemtrails. So, I decided to take a completely unbiased look at the "phenomenon". I started reading the claims made by chemtrails believers, I read the various theories they had for why chemtrails are being done, how they are being created, etc. One of the first things I noticed was a lack of any scientific research and mostly anecdotal stories, hunches, etc. But it got worst, the more I read into the conspiracy theory the less and less plausible it became. It simply makes no sense no matter how you look at it. I finally decided chemtrails are bullshit. What these people are seeing are normal aircraft contrails. They are comprised of tiny droplets of water or tiny cystals of ice. But don't tell them I said that :)

ka4dpo
03-13-2015, 12:05 PM
I got hit by a cosmic ray once. Sucker went right through me, I felt warm.

N7YA
03-13-2015, 04:36 PM
Ah yes, Chem trails. :)

There are so many reason why this is bunk. For one, if it is a government method of poisoning or controlling us, it sure is a wasteful and ineffective way of going about it. By dumping this stuff over vast expanses of unpopulated areas, it seems to simply miss the mark. Besides, passengers, many of which have something to do with the aviation industry, sit and look out the windows of these commercial planes as they are being fueled up, they would likely notice a strange tank truck. And where is the chemical tank located on a space-challenged aircraft? Also, chemtrails only show up during cold seasons, looks more like hot jet exhaust to me...blazing hot fumes rapidly expelled into sub zero air temperatures, at an altitude where gasses expand, then they freeze and linger in the high regions until dissipating...that is your 'Chem trail'.

Now, i don't doubt the idea that some reptilian, power hungry billionaires would love to control the masses in order to maximize their reach and global profit, and wish to do so with no trouble from a brain dead mass of worker ants, i just have to think they are smarter than this! If you really want to get mind numbing agents into people and cut off their paths to logic, reason, questioning and sense of self, i think the best way would be to let people do it voluntarily and directly through junk food, a steady stream of droning, information-less TV programming, more dependency on gadgets instead of themselves as well as political/religious infighting. In the last 30 to 40 years alone, we have become fatter, dumber and more divided than ever before, but we stop just short of civil rebellion, we just cant be bothered. Our nations family farms have been replaced with 24 hour factory farms, our news broadcasters are all privately owned by said billionaires wholly in the cheap drama business, etc, etc...chem trails? That's just a result of anxiety created by people who simply know something is very wrong with the system and don't know what to do about it. The first choice is for people to turn on each other. They start blaming fellow citizens for their own problems and retire to grumbling among themselves about it. This is far more effective than chem trails alone because it keeps the populace calmly divided. A unified voice is a dangerous thing to powerful people with big plans. Unplugging from the machine is the best solution, outside of that, if they are going to kill us, then they are going to kill us. Just try to enjoy yourself until then.

So, yeah, i don't buy the whole chem trail thing. A lot of my FB friends used to freak out about it...mostly during winter and at morning time, go figure. I also noticed, like most freak-out trends, it seems to have faded away to the land of apocalyptic Ebola outbreaks, murderous bird flu and killer bedbugs.

kb2vxa
03-13-2015, 05:48 PM
"Sucker went right through me, I felt warm."
That was Buckaroo Banzai in his Ford F-350 pickup truck powered by a jet engine and oscillation overthruster, a product of Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems. Did you see the Red Lectroids spraying chemtrails? There's this dateless chick on TV who named her car Brad, I named my soldering gun Peter.