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PA5COR
10-28-2013, 06:26 AM
100 mile per hour wind or 159 KM/H here, lots oof trees down in the Netherlands, structural damage to buildings, 3 people killed, trucks blown over all train and busses stopped.

All my antenna's still up, hope it will stay that way...

K7SGJ
10-28-2013, 09:19 AM
Stay safe, and lower the mizzen sail.

NQ6U
10-28-2013, 09:43 AM
Put on a hard hat and check your guy lines, Cor. Stay safe.

PA5COR
10-28-2013, 10:25 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/28/2843421/storm-western-europe-hurricane/

With obligatory piccies.
Storm over now. just 40 mile per hour wwind gusting up to 50, peanuts.
No damage here, my antenna's all survived but there were moments i really thought the whole shebang would come tumbling down.
IF you need an idea of it look at the qrz bio piccies.... main mast with directional beams just strapped to a concrete chimney but 36 feet tall...
Inverted L 77 feet tall...

Looks like i did aa good job to think about building for strong winds.

N2NH
10-28-2013, 11:20 PM
They had a story on the news here about the windstorm. 100 MPH is up there. We only reached 60 here during Sandy. Glad to see things didn't come out worse.

Has this been happening more lately? Seems that I saw a similar storm in France a few months ago.

PA5COR
10-29-2013, 07:11 AM
Storms that come over seem to have more energy and more "weirding" come at times you normally would not see them pass by here.
And added to that the last years in Europe much more tornado's waterspouts etc, tornado's were connected to the USA not Europe for 10 years back, but we do see more of tthem and getting stronger, more energu in the systems, and more heat.

Sunday a normal storm passes just a force 9 gale, nothing spectacular what you would expect in autumn.
The other one developed in the edge and came Monday with a vengence, Germany had 7 people killed and measured 179 KM/H gusts, in total 14 people lost thir lives even when the warnings were out and in due time.

Just had a job putting a antenna back up for one roof the clients that is used for a 1 mile WI Fi connection high speed on the roof of a large business center/Hotel..

Guywires were ripped from their anchoring points, alu tube ( 2 Inch) bent like spaghetti.
Lots of tree damage on the 60 km drive, trees down, advertising signs ripped of the shops, large flagpoles bent over like a chopstick ( without flags on them) Large trucks blown over, fronts of stores blown out.

95 million euro damage were the first estimates for the insurance companies, but having been through some i know you can safely double that amount.
Thanks to the warnings people and companies had taken every precaution they could take.
The last time before this storm we measured 117 km/H or force 12 gale was december 16 1979, now we had inland 122 KM/H here and on the coast 152 KM/H, Germany 179 KM/H just to give you a timeline.


Tornado
Germany
Baden-Württemberg Region,


just today...

KG4CGC
10-29-2013, 09:40 AM
C'est notre plus grand espoir que la maison des Cor n'a été épargnée par les dégâts des vents.

K7SGJ
10-29-2013, 11:31 AM
Must be that "Global Blowing" thing that's been in the news so much.

NQ6U
10-29-2013, 11:39 AM
Must be that "Global Blowing" thing that's been in the news so much.

What?? Why didn't I get the memo on this? I can hardly remember the last blowing I got. Of course, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning either. Or the XYL's name about half the time...

PA5COR
10-29-2013, 11:40 AM
Thanks for the good wish.
Not scared that fast for the house that is very well build out of brick outerlayer and inner reinforced concrete wall total 15 inches thick with isolation between it.
Roof slanted 45 degrees and isolated with baked tiles on them, storm will only press them harder on the roof.

All double glazing with 1/2 inch front slab of glass, backplane is 1o mm.

I'm more worried about that idiot living in the house thinking he can build enormous antenna farms on that roof and on the back of the house like the 77 feet tall inverted L ;)
Must be a ham radio nutter there, they should ban these idiots...;)

At least everyone walking in the street is looking upward to all the shiny aluminium and 316 stainless steel ;)

W3WN
10-29-2013, 11:58 AM
What?? Why didn't I get the memo on this? I can hardly remember the last blowing I got. Of course, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning either. Or the XYL's name about half the time...Sounds like what you need, and how: A warm, heaping bowl full of Loosener's Castor Oil Flakes -- with real Glycerin Vibrafome

K7SGJ
10-29-2013, 12:40 PM
What?? Why didn't I get the memo on this? I can hardly remember the last blowing I got. Of course, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning either. Or the XYL's name about half the time...

Huh, I don't get it. I sent the memo with Sister Mary Margret. She said she would demonstrate the outcome when low pressure meets high pressure aloft. Oh............wait..............you don't have a loft. That poor child must be combing all the farms in the country looking for a loft in which to perform her category 2.

n2ize
10-30-2013, 01:21 PM
I didn;t know that the Netherlands got storms like that. Just learned something new. Tornadoes ? Yeah, just about everyplace in the world gets them now and then. Of course the United States is still by far the most tornado prone country in the world. We get far more twisters here in the USA than anywhere else in the world and we also get more severe tornadoes oif the EF3-EF5 variety than anywhere else in the world. That's why we need the "Twister Sisters"...LOL. I remember reading that the geography of the US is what makes us so tornado prone. Unlike ,many other countries we don't have a large continuous range of mountains running from west to east We have the rockies running north to south but that doesn't mitigate tornadoes, in fact it might even promote their development. Here in New York we were just under a statewide tornado watch a couple of weeks ago. No doubt , with climate change places like the Netherlands may likely see an increase in twisters and the USA even more than our typical average.

HUGH
10-30-2013, 02:49 PM
The storm didn't quite take the predicted path and caused widespread damage across southern England and on to the Netherlands instead of central England and up to (possibly) Denmark. I measured only 82mph. Associated horizontal rain found it's way under our roof tiles and emerged into the roof space on the leeward side. Very odd.
I think the storm eventually entered Russia and caused damage and blackouts for thousands of homes.

PA5COR
10-30-2013, 02:49 PM
The storm is classified as a category 1 hurricane bordering 2 now.( 179 km/H max.
Once in 20 years we have them, this time the damage of 200 million euro in the Netherlands alone is relative low because the better warning systems in place and people could take measures to limit damage, shore up sheds, take the garden stuff in their sheds, and check the house for problems before the hurricane hit.

1953 we had something like that with springtide and 1900 people drowned when the dikes broke through leading to the Delta project to bring our sea defenses up to a 1 : 10.000 year event.

Shit happens here too, the USA is not the only place you can see hurricanes or tornado's, as said we now get them here quite regularly here in Europe too, just after this storm on monday there was a tornado in Baden Wurtemberg.
Germany is on the same line as Alsaka ....
THe rise in temperature in Europe is 300% higher as the average, so more heat means more energy in the atmosphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Jude_storm
The St Jude storm, also known as Cyclone Christian,[1] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-1) and named Simone by Swedish meteorologists was a severe European windstorm (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/European_windstorm) that hit Northwestern Europe on 27 and 28 October 2013 causing at least 17 deaths.[2] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-2) Winds of up to 80–90 mph (130–145 km/h) were forecast for southern England (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/England),[3] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-BBC24690552-3)[4] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-4) but the highest windspeed was in Denmark (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Denmark), where a gust of 120.8 mph (194.4 km/h) was recorded in the south of the country on the afternoon of 28 October, the strongest wind recorded in the country's history.[5] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-vejret1-5)

At least it was a good test for my antenna's....
The storm made landfall in the early hours of 28 October. A gust of 99 miles per hour (159 km/h) was recorded at the The Needles Battery (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/The_Needles_Battery), Isle of Wight.[34] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-BBC24699748-34) Speeds of 65 metres per second (Bad rounding here 150 mph) were measured at the Gunfleet Sands Offshore Wind Farm (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Gunfleet_Sands_Offshore_Wind_Farm).[ (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-35)

Netherlands[edit (https://forums.hamisland.net/w/index.php?title=St_Jude_storm&action=edit&section=10)]

The record for the highest gust in the country (for the month of October) was broken twice, with a 148.2 kilometres per hour (92.1 mph) gust measured in Texel (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Texel), North Holland (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/North_Holland) and a 152 kilometres per hour (94 mph) gust on Vlieland (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Vlieland), Friesland (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Friesland). Vlieland sustained winds of Force 11 (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Beaufort_scale) for one hour, and Force 12 winds for at least 20 minutes. Two people were killed, a woman in Amsterdam (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Amsterdam) and a man in Veenendaal (https://forums.hamisland.net/wiki/Veenendaal), while at least 25 others were injured.[45] (https://forums.hamisland.net/#cite_note-45)
Widespread damage was reported throughout the country, with thousands of trees falling down and damaging cars, gas lines, buildings, and causing disruption to transport. In Amsterdam, hundreds of trees were uprooted, destroying cars and sinking at least one houseboat on the city's canals. Roofs were blown off buildings

I live in the flat province of Friesland, 15 miles from the sea, flat country so the storm had unhindered acces to our city.
Linky gives more details.

List of european tornado's and effects see for yourself their number gets higher the more you come to the 21st century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_tornadoes_and_tornado_outbreaks

PA5COR
10-30-2013, 03:53 PM
Europe is not a tornado-free region. ‘In the US, some 1 200 tornadoes are observed every year,’ said Dr Pieter Groenemeijer, director of the European Severe Storms Laboratory (ESSL), a non-profit association based in Wessling, near Munich (DE). ‘In Europe, we have an average of 300 every year,’ he added. ‘But most tornadoes are not as dramatic as the one of last Monday, 20 May, and that is actually true for the United States or other tornado-prone areas such as Bangladesh and northern Argentina as well.

Europe also regularly endures severe weather events. Tornadoes are less frequent over here than in the US, but storms, for instance, can be really devastating, like the Kyrill storm in 2007 that caused huge damage and loss of life in the UK and in Germany. In August 2008 though, Poland was severely hit by an outbreak of strong tornadoes. Earlier that same month, the North of France was also hit. And in November 2012, Taranto, in Italy also suffered such a violent weather event.

The European Severe Weather Database (ESWD), managed by the European Severe Storms Laboratory, indicates that all regions of Europe have seen the formation of tornadoes in the recent past. ‘They can occur when three specific meteorological ingredients are present at the same time,’ said Groenemeijer. ‘Humidity close to the ground surface must be significant, the temperature of the atmosphere must decrease quickly with altitude, and finally the wind speed has to increase rapidly with height and make a sharp clockwise turn in direction

‘These last years, we see an increase in the number of tornadoes being reported in Europe,’ added Groenemeijer.

n2ize
10-30-2013, 05:54 PM
Oh yeah, I know Europe is not tornado free. In fact they happen almost everywhere in the world and can happen at any time of the year. The point I was making is that the geography and conditions here in the United States makes our country particularly favorable for tornadoes. That is why the United States leads the world with respect to tornadoes both in the number that occur and the strength. Even here in New York we are not quite as tornado prone as many other states yet we do get them, there have been a few pretty close to me and, NY has seen for in the EF4 and EF5 category. The USA gets far more tornadoes than anywhere else in the world. Pet Robertson would argue that it's punishment for allowing gay people to have rights.

PA5COR
10-31-2013, 03:57 AM
New york is at the similar lattitude as Amsterdam, Poland is even up more north and had some serious ones as well.
1220 against our 300 while the USA is larger in land mass, and has indeed better geographic for tornadoes.

Just proves that the conditions here in Europe are changing fast and more heating and energy makes us into an catch up situation here.
Add to that we have more storms that become more violent over time and there will not be much difference between us in the future.