View Full Version : Big Baseball Seeks to Suspend 20 Players
There's a list of MLB players that have been found to be using steroids... some very familiar names are on it too.
Ryan Braun, Milwaukee Brewers
Everth Cabrera, San Diego Padres
Melky Cabrera, Toronto Blue Jays
Francisco Cervelli, New York Yankees
Bartolo Colon, Oakland Athletics
Nelson Cruz, Texas Rangers
Fautino de los Santos, free agent
Gio Gonzalez*, Washington Nationals – only received legal substances, according to ESPN's source.
Yasmani Grandal, San Diego Padres
Fernando Martinez, Houston Astros
Jesus Montero, Seattle Mariners
Jordan Norberto, free agent
Jhonny Peralta, Detroit Tigers
Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees
A-Rod who sez he wasn't using any is an interesting case.
More Here. MLB to seek suspensions of up to 20 players (http://www.wsmv.com/story/22506394/mlb-to-seek-suspensions-of-20-players)
KC2UGV
06-05-2013, 12:04 PM
Maybe this means the Cubs stand a chance at winning the pennant?
KG4CGC
06-05-2013, 02:21 PM
Listening to some of the on air commentators, you would think these guys were molesting children. They're not.
Regulate these substances for use in MLB during the workout sessions of the OFF SEASON.
AE1PT
06-05-2013, 02:34 PM
Never heard of any of them.
Has major league American baseball become a dominantly Hispanic sport in the 40 years since I paid any attention to it?
Never heard of any of them.
Has major league American baseball become a dominantly Hispanic sport in the 40 years since I paid any attention to it?
Not really. It's down to something like 8% African-American, with 60% White, and all the rest are Hispanic.
AE1PT
06-05-2013, 03:10 PM
This list enumerates a group patronizing a single clinic. Only one of the 14 is not Hispanic. For whatever factors are at play, this reflects a disproportionate population.
This list enumerates a group patronizing a single clinic. Only one of the 14 is not Hispanic. For whatever factors are at play, this reflects a disproportionate population.
The owner of the clinic is Hispanic and his doctor father gave prescriptions to Hispanic athletes. From what I can tell, this was a word of mouth thing among the players. The clinic is in Miami.
Maybe this means the Cubs stand a chance at winning the pennant?Quit drinking the Kool Aid. Not this year.
Never heard of any of them.
Has major league American baseball become a dominantly Hispanic sport in the 40 years since I paid any attention to it?I have.
First, yes, there is certainly an increase in active players of Hispanic decent compared to 40 years ago. (And Korean, and Japanese, and other nationalities as well)
Second, some of these players mentioned are amongst the "top" or "elite" players. They've got some 'splainin' to do.
Third, no one has been suspended. Yet. And if & when suspensions are announced, you can bet that virtually all of the suspensions will be appealed by the MLB Players Association, so nothing happens right away. If ever.
Fourth, at least one player (Melky Carbrera) has ALREADY served a 50 game suspension. He may get off 'scott free' this time, but only because he may have already 'served his time' for this 'offense'. On the other hand, Ryan Braun got off the hook (with regards to a 50 game suspension) before, but only on a technicality. This time around, he's going to find it to be a lot harder to duck.
Fifth & finally: Remember, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As I recall from some of the articles yesterday, there a few players who used the clinic to obtain legitimate medications under a doctor's supervision. Those players OUGHT to have nothing to worry about. So just because someone is named in this mess does NOT neccesarily mean that they're guilty of any wrong doing, sensationalist media whores not withstanding.
(And not a single Pirate made the list. They're probably too broke to afford the place anyway... :twisted: )
KC2UGV
06-06-2013, 09:22 AM
Quit drinking the Kool Aid. Not this year.
It's bound to happen soon...
It's bound to happen soon...You're starting to sound like W9OL.
Yeah, it will happen eventually. But not this year.
W2NAP
06-06-2013, 11:39 AM
You're starting to sound like W9OL.
Yeah, it will happen eventually. But not this year.
check back in 2206
n6hcm
06-06-2013, 07:54 PM
sixth: WHO CARES? this is *PRO* sports. it's about entertainment. nobody in their right mind thinks for a minute that the playing field is truly level.
KK4AMI
06-07-2013, 06:57 AM
(And not a single Pirate made the list. They're probably too broke to afford the place anyway... :twisted: )
Ohh, that explains the Pirates record over the past 20 years. They are the "Without Steroids control group" in this little sports experiment. On a serious note, my nephew is going to play college ball in South Carolina. I'd hate to think he will be pressured into drug altering his body just to succeed at a sport.
Ohh, that explains the Pirates record over the past 20 years. They are the "Without Steroids control group" in this little sports experiment. On a serious note, my nephew is going to play college ball in South Carolina. I'd hate to think he will be pressured into drug altering his body just to succeed at a sport.Don't get me started.
And I hope too that your nephew doesn't give in to the pressure.
wa6mhz
06-07-2013, 07:52 AM
Padres lose 2 of their best players!!! THERE GOES THE SEASON!
And to think we were only 7 games out of first place!
(Atleast we are still ahead of the Dodgers!)
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Has the world come to an end?
Padres at .500!
(Listening to the A's home broadcast on my XM internet radio. I love it!)
Has the world come to an end?
Padres at .500!
No, but it's a likely sign of the impending Apocalypse. The last time they hit .500 was April 11—April 11, 2012!
No, but it's a likely sign of the impending Apocalypse.
They will be 35-34 in a few minutes...
One problem with the Bay Area broadcast are the Round Table Pizza commercials. Nothing close to them out here.
AAAARGH!
12 Players accept a 50 game suspension.
A-Fraud gets a 211 game suspension and is fighting it. He's lucky he didn't get banned for life which he fully deserved.
The other players suspended by Major League Baseball Monday are:
Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Antonio Bastardo
San Diego Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera
New York Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli
Texas Rangers outfielder Nelson Cruz
Padres pitcher Fautino De Los Santos
Houston Astros pitcher Sergio Escalona
Yankees outfielder Fernando Martinez
Seattle Mariners catcher Jesus Montero
Free agent pitcher Jordan Norberto
Detroit Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta
New York Mets outfielder Cesar Puello
Mets infielder/outfielder Jordany Valdespin
De Los Santos, Escalona, Martinez, Montero, Puello and Valdespin are currently on minor league rosters.
In written statements, several teams said they backed the league's decision.
LINK PEDIGREE. (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/us/alex-rodriguez-future/?hpt=hp_zite1_featured)
ad4mg
08-05-2013, 05:39 PM
No Pirates? No Braves? No Dodgers? No A's?
*gasp*
How can they possibly win without players pumped up by PED's?
K7SGJ
08-05-2013, 05:50 PM
No Pirates? No Braves? No Dodgers? No A's?
*gasp*
How can they possibly win without players pumped up by PED's?
They're using PEZ.
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suddenseer
08-05-2013, 06:25 PM
No Red's, or Met's either.
No Pirates? No Braves? No Dodgers? No A's?
*gasp*
How can they possibly win without players pumped up by PED's?
While the Padres have two players on the list and are eight games under .500. Just goes to show you something; what it goes to show, however, I'm not precisely sure.
suddenseer
08-05-2013, 07:30 PM
While the Padres have two players on the list and are eight games under .500. Just goes to show you something; what it goes to show, however, I'm not precisely sure.
It only pays if you don't get caught?
No Pirates? No Braves? No Dodgers? No A's?
*gasp*
How can they possibly win without players pumped up by PED's?
Not to nitpick, but there IS an A's player on the Biogenesis radar who got suspended last year for 50 games, Bartolo Colon. Also, Jordan Norberto was released in May by the A's after he DFA'd. I thought it was weird the A's released him at that time because he had been highly thought of by the organization.
Faustino de los Santos got released from AAA in May also. This tells me the teams knew all along these guys were going to get tagged. Norberto and de los Santos were low level enough on minimum contracts, the teams may have thought it was better to lose them in May so as not to contaminate (no pun intended) minor league players.
The marginal players on that list without guaranteed contracts are probably done for good. I still think baseball will try to reach some kind of agreement to get out of Rodriguez and that despicable Ryan Braun's contracts. Couldn't happen to a nicer couple of jerks.
Faustino de los Santos got released from AAA in May also. This tells me the teams knew all along these guys were going to get tagged.
Maybe not every team. The Padres picked up de los Santos and gave him a minor league contract. Now they're without him and, even worse, Everth Cabrera—the team's best hitter. At least they still have Yasmani Grandal, who's already served his suspension.
Maybe not every team. The Padres picked up de los Santos and gave him a minor league contract. Now they're without him and, even worse, Everth Cabrera—the team's best hitter. At least they still have Yasmani Grandal, who's already served his suspension.
December 2, 2005: Signed by the Chicago White Sox (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml) as an amateur free agent.
January 3, 2008: Traded by the Chicago White Sox (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008.shtml) with Gio Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzagi01.shtml) and Ryan Sweeney (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sweenry01.shtml) to the Oakland Athletics (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/2008.shtml) for Nick Swisher (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/swishni01.shtml).
July 28, 2012: Traded by the Oakland Athletics (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/2012.shtml) to the Milwaukee Brewers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2012.shtml) for George Kottaras (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kottage01.shtml).
February 6, 2013: Selected off waivers by the San Diego Padres (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SDP/2013.shtml) from the Milwaukee Brewers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2013.shtml).
May 15, 2013: Released by the San Diego Padres (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SDP/2013.shtml).
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delosfa01.shtml
Love that website. Reminds me of the old baseball card days.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delosfa01.shtml
December 2, 2005: Signed by the Chicago White Sox as an amateur free agent.
January 3, 2008: Traded by the Chicago White Sox with Gio Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney to the Oakland Athletics for Nick Swisher.
July 28, 2012: Traded by the Oakland Athletics to the Milwaukee Brewers for George Kottaras.
February 6, 2013: Selected off waivers by the San Diego Padres from the Milwaukee Brewers.
May 15, 2013: Released by the San Diego Padres.
Love that website. Reminds me of the old baseball card days.
Huh, that's strange. The following is lifted from the official Padres Web site:
Cabrera wasn't the only player in the Padres organization who earned a 50-game suspension on Monday.
De Los Santos also was suspended for 50 games. De Los Santos is still with the organization but is in Arizona rehabilitating his right shoulder after surgery in May.
"I made certain unsound decisions during the 2012 season, and I accept full responsibility for those choices," De Los Santos said in a statement released through his agency.
Full text here. (http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130805&content_id=55963424&vkey=news_sd&c_id=sd)
A-Fraud will litigate this till he retires...so net suspension will be zero.
A-Fraud will litigate this till he retires...so net suspension will be zero.
Not if he loses.
Once the baseball arbitration is over, it's over there. If they suspend him for the 2014 season, there's not much he can do about that. Legally, it would take longer than than the season length to get him reinstated.
This won't be a popular opinion, but A-Rod has a chance in arbitration. Bud Selig and baseball really stretched the rules on the year and a half ban. It's all going to depend on if the union backs any dispute with the arbitration finding. If they do, it's game on.
Has the world come to an end?
Padres at .500!
(Listening to the A's home broadcast on my XM internet radio. I love it!)
No Pirates? No Braves? No Dodgers? No A's?
*gasp*
How can they possibly win without players pumped up by PED's?The Pirates are in 1st place with the best record in baseball.
People are buying season ticket plans for the rest of the year simply to ensure a shot at playoff tickets.
It's official. The end of the world is nigh.
A-Fraud will litigate this till he retires...so net suspension will be zero.News stories over the last 2 weeks or so have indicated that AyRod was looking for a way out. At one point, there was suspicion that he was trying to get placed on the Physically Unable To Perform list, so that he could retire on (in effect) disability. Had that worked, regardless of what the MLB Commissioner's office did, the Yankees (and/or their insurance provider) would have been obligated to pay him the remainder of his salary under contract.
Even up through Sunday, there were reports that AyRod's people were trying to arrange a meeting. The Yankees declined to get involved, saying this was between him & the Commiss's office, and Selig's office declined to meet with him. Translation: They had him by the short hairs, they knew it, the team knew it, he knew it, and no one was letting him get away with it this time.
Once the suspension kicks in... and sooner or later, it will... AyRod's considerable salary is suspended. And odds are pretty good that the Yankees will look for some way to void his contract due to the suspension, based on the interpretation of the fine print.
Hope for his sake that AyRod invested his initial millions wisely. Otherwise, he'll soon be sitting next to MLB's other official living pariah, Pete Rose, signing autographs at a casino for a dollar a pop.
W2NAP
08-06-2013, 11:53 AM
The Pirates are in 1st place with the best record in baseball.
People are buying season ticket plans for the rest of the year simply to ensure a shot at playoff tickets.
It's official. The end of the world is nigh.
its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
It's official. The end of the world is nigh.
Again? Damn, how many times can one world end?
Seriously, though, relax. The world won't end until the Padres win the World Series.
Again? Damn, how many times can one world end?
Seriously, though, relax. The world won't end until the Padres win the World Series.Actually, I was thinking the Cubs.
As a born & bred Yankee fan, I once thought the world wouldn't end until the hated Red Sox won the Series. They did; it didn't.
... I'm also reminded of a short story that Isaac Asimov wrote, on the subject of when the world ends...
W2NAP
08-07-2013, 10:48 AM
Actually, I was thinking the Cubs.
As a born & bred Yankee fan, I once thought the world wouldn't end until the hated Red Sox won the Series. They did; it didn't.
... I'm also reminded of a short story that Isaac Asimov wrote, on the subject of when the world ends...
that will be it. the cubs win its over..
maybe you will get lucky and the pirates can nab a world series win
It's almost unbelievable.
At this time of the year, up until this year, the Pirates would be the back page of the sports section. Everything is Steelers, Steelers, Steelers Training Camp, Steelers PreSeason, Steelers, Steelers, Steelers, and, of course, Steelers. With a side order of Pitt Football.
Even 2 years ago, when the team did unexpectedly well and then faltered down the stretch... and last year, when the team did unexpectedly well and then faltered down the stretch.
Not this year. Pirates, Pirates, Pirates, Pirates, End The Streak, Playoffs, Pirates, Steelers, Steelers Training Camp, Steelers PreSeason, Steelers, Steelers, Steelers, and, of course, Pirates. With a side order of Pitt Football.
Right now, they're talking about the Magic Number. (Something else you didn't see or hear at this point last year) 14 as of last night's win. The Faithful (& those jumping back on the bandwagon) are saying that there is NO WAY that the Pirates can miss winning 14 more games the rest of the year & break the losing streak.
Me? I'm trying to figure out how we're going to pay for playoff tickets, if it gets that far. I think the boss would rather pay the mortgage late than pass on those tickets.
W2NAP
08-07-2013, 11:40 AM
a pirates world series win i could get behind.
a pirates world series win i could get behind.Now, now. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. One thing at a time.
A's are losing AGAIN! Not good
A's are losing AGAIN! Not goodWell, as of this moment, they're only down by a run, and it's only the top of the 7th.
They HAVE to win. They're playing the Reds.
Again? Damn, how many times can one world end?
Seriously, though, relax. The world won't end until the Padres win the World Series.
Actually, I was thinking the Cubs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xBxZGQ1dJk
Well, as of this moment, they're only down by a run, and it's only the top of the 7th.
They HAVE to win. They're playing the Reds.
They didn't
No Red's, or Met's either.
Actually there are two Metropolitans on that list...
New York Mets outfielder Cesar Puello
Mets infielder/outfielder Jordany Valdespin
I think A-Fraud should've been banned for life. The word on the Sports Radio Talk shows around here was that he was recruiting other ballplayers for the clinic and then getting personal information on them. Never said why or anything else, but nefarious just the same.
A-(F)Rod has formally filed an appeal of the suspension through the auspices of the MLB Players Union, as is his right under the Collective Bargaining Agreement. As per the CBA, he is permitted to stay the suspension and continue to play until an arbitrator rules on the merits of his appeal.
He may be playing for another month, or through the rest of the year, depending on when the appeal is heard.
Rumor has it that the real purpose of the appeal is to get the length of the suspension shortened.
I suspect that the hearing may never be held, that there will be settlement of some sort before it happens. Because, IMHO, if MLB has the goods on him that everyone is saying they do, that man (if he has any brains, and isn't thinking with... another body part) he's not going to want any of the sordid details to come to light.
However, rumor also has it that MLB's hands in all this aren't exactly clean, either. They may have done some underhanded stuff to get their hands on the evidence... as at least one former member of the clinic is claiming in a counter-lawsuit. Now, MLB is not a court of law, so the legal rules of evidence gathering and handling don't neccesarily apply. Still, if they cut corners, and as a result the arbitration goes against them... well, maybe that's what A-(F)Rod's ego is counting on.
Still, the point remains that until the hearing takes place, or the two parties settle, technically he is not guilty of anything, merely accused.
Even though I'd love to see his arse thrown out for good too.
A-Rod the last player to start his suspension is now calming down.
He was hit with a 211 game suspension, the arbitrator knocked that down to a season (165 games). He was making noises like he was going to take this to court, but now seems ready to serve his time...
For a guy who has tons of pictures and statues of himself in his penthouse suite, he sure is taking this calmly...
It's already cost him a year's pay. But the Yankees are still obligated to pay him the remaining (guaranteed) part of his salary, even if he never plays another game.
Maybe he's finally realized that he can't win, all he can do is trash his own sordid reputation further.
If he's smart... no, scratch that.
W9JEF
01-17-2014, 02:01 PM
http://www.davegranlund.com/cartoons/wp-content/uploads/A-rod-disabled-list.jpg
OK, I give up.
Where did you find that picture of Bob the Shark?
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Hmmmmm that dude dancing next to A-Fraud has a resemblance to our bartender....
WØTKX
01-18-2014, 08:22 PM
At this point, all this crap about drugs and enhancements is more of a game than the actual game.
Too bad. I used to be a pretty staunch fan of baseball in general, it's a cool game.
This crap isn't cool. Maybe MLB should just give up and let everyone get "ripped".
W9JEF
01-19-2014, 11:51 AM
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What if the same ban on "performance enhancing drugs"
in professional sports were applied to the music industry?
. . . . . . . . . :shhh:
K7SGJ
01-19-2014, 02:45 PM
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What if the same ban on "performance enhancing drugs"
in professional sports were applied to those the music industry?
. . . . . . . . . :shhh:
Stevie Wonders batting average would probably drop.
Stevie Wonders batting average would probably drop.
Nah. He never could hit the curve in the first place.
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