They're Going To Rebuild. OKC Build Thread

[KG4CGC]

Survivors of the recent super tornado in Moore OK are all on the same page. After the search and rescue they are going to rebuild. My question is this: Why are we still using traditional lumber building materials after knowing that the area and others like it may be hit again?

Concrete and mud. Ever see any of those hay bale and chicken wire homes build out west with rebar reinforcements? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw-bale_construction
Hay or straw bales are used like bricks, stacked, have rebar pounded through them and into earthen foundations, covered in mesh wire and mudded or stuccoed. They are earthquake proof, fire proof and withstand winds much better than traditional lumber or "toothpick" homes. Lives can be saved, insurance rates lowered and people can have a little more peace of mind. Oh yes of course, storm shelters can still be used but, the replacement costs of the items inside will go down due to a home that will hold up much much better than a framed traditional home. The fun part is, the inside of the home will still have all of the same amenities plus some. Clean up costs of the aftermath of such storms will be much lower too.

These mud and hay bale homes are not the only options. Embedded concrete homes with curved surfaces will also stand up to high winds and tornadoes better than traditional framed toothpick houses. I saw one house in KW on Whitehead that was concrete, looked very modern and could withstand hurricane force storms. It did not stand out like a sore thumb and was surrounded by beautiful landscape.
Embedded concrete means that the walls are sunk down into the soil about 3 feet. They can be build with basements or on a slab below the surface.They can be water sealed to prevent flood water from seeping in. It can be done for the same or less than the cost of traditional methods if it was offered and more and more people choose to do it. You know we are all up in arms over guns and safety, terrorists and safety, crime and safety etc. What about a safe home made for a changing climate of more severe storms, earthquakes, fires floods etc?

Come on. Do I have to say it? Think of the children!

It's about time city and county planners, insurance companies, state governments and regular people demanded that building codes be changed to accommodate Safe Home Structures. These same building techniquies can be applied to schools and other public buildings and any company or business that wants an alternative to outdated toothpick structures.

Your thoughts?

[PA5COR]

We here always wonder why you peeps build these wooden homes.
My house consists of a brick wall outside, the inner shell after the isolation, is 8" reinforced concrete, all build on reinforced concrete foundations deep in the ground.

The roof is slated at a 45 degree angle so the storms we have will just push the roof down on the walls and not rip it off.
The roof is made of lots of big beams, covered with a layer of isolated concreted cover on which we have the roof tiles made of baked clay or concrete, all quite heavy and quite well made to withstand storms, or F1 to F2 tornado's, and yes we have them, not often, but it does happen.
The beams of the roof are anchored in the walls of concrete and stone and will not rip out.
Double glazed windows with a front pane of 1/2 inch laminated glass will break, but not shatter.

That is standard build here, you can find the odd Finnish wooden bungalow but they are sparse, high insurance premiums for fire insurance.
With the concrete reinforced floors these houses can burn, put on a new roof, and windows and doors and you're done with the rebuild, the casco will survive a fire.

[WØTKX]

A lot of discussion on the net about this. Most of these houses do not have basements. Many who survived had a storm cellar built. Similar to the Nuke Shelters popular in the 50's and 60's. They can be small, and if rated for 250+ MPH winds and crush proof, above ground.

I really think nicely done underground homes are a better idea. Energy efficient and a "top floor" could be small, used like a three season porch.

Might need reinforcement design tweaks, but one of the coolest designs, right here:

http://www.norishouse.com/PAHS/UmbrellaHouse.html

http://www.norishouse.com/PAHS/images/image008.jpg

[KG4CGC]

I forgot to mention that they are also much more energy efficient.

[K7SGJ]

A lot of discussion on the net about this. Most of these houses do not have basements. Many who survived had a storm cellar built. Similar to the Nuke Shelters popular in the 50's and 60's. They can be small, and if rated for 250+ MPH winds and crush proof, above ground.

I really think nicely done underground homes are a better idea. Energy efficient and a "top floor" could be small, used like a three season porch.

Might need reinforcement design tweaks, but one of the coolest designs, right here:

http://www.norishouse.com/PAHS/UmbrellaHouse.html

http://www.norishouse.com/PAHS/images/image008.jpg


There are several homes similar to that out in this neck of the desert. About the only thing above ground is what might be considered an round observation room with 360 degree views. The majority of the house is below grade, and what is above grade, except for the observation room, is all under several feet of back fill. I'm sure it's more of a temperature control function rather than a bunker or weather escape. Obviously, we don't get many tornadoes out here, but it does happen.

[WØTKX]

My ex before my current YL built an Earthship home with her ex husband. Though she did most of the work. Wrote an article for Mother Earth News. Was her first paid article. We spent many a night there, as she had a very hard time selling it, eventually renting it with a long term lease.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-homes/building-an-earthship-zmaz05zhol.aspx#axzz2TyL9HJam

[Bubba]

Concrete homes are not that difficult to build. They are more insulated, fire resistant, semi bomb proof, and storm proof. Then you have no worries. If we can do it on Guam, I’m sure we can do it in OK.

[WØTKX]

OK, Bubba's Buddy. I have a co-worker from a military family that grew up on Guam.

[n2ize]

Problem is a lot of these underground homes, cement homes, straw and cob homes, etc. is that frankly they are ugly. Conventional homes are much nicer.

[N8YX]

It's all about cost.

Which is cheaper to build? Let's put it a slightly different way: Which building type yields higher profit for the construction companies?

[KK4AMI]

The news talked about why so many people in OKC don't have basements being that they are living in Tornado alley. They said the ground is mostly damp clay. Basements tend to grow molds and fungus fast. Is there a house that will withstand 300 MPH plus winds? The big windows everybody has would seem to prevent that. Even if it could stand 300 MPH, the flying cars bombing it might be another matter.

http://www.monolithic.com/stories/building-survivability-the-strength-of-the-monolithic-dome

[PA5COR]

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That is how we deal with our specific problems, i bet you can find solutions for the USA problems there.
And no, concrete houses don't need to be ugly, nor expensive to build, most can be prefabricated in a factory and pulled up in a week on site getting the costs down considerably and at the same time increase the quality of the build.
These kind of houses will last centuries and need just basic maintenance much less as a wooden house, no termites to fear as well.

In my city centre we have houses build in 1100 -1200 that still stand and are used, the shell is basically the same, just the innards adapted to the current living form.

[KC2UGV]

Concrete homes are not that difficult to build. They are more insulated, fire resistant, semi bomb proof, and storm proof. Then you have no worries. If we can do it on Guam, I’m sure we can do it in OK.

In addition to all that, concrete homes have the structural ability to do things like build water catchment systems on the roof, supplying household water via gravity, which is another mutli-faceted bonus: Less runoff to deal with for infrastructure, and reduced water bills for the end user; among other things.

[KB3LAZ]

We here always wonder why you peeps build these wooden homes.
My house consists of a brick wall outside, the inner shell after the isolation, is 8" reinforced concrete, all build on reinforced concrete foundations deep in the ground.

The roof is slated at a 45 degree angle so the storms we have will just push the roof down on the walls and not rip it off.
The roof is made of lots of big beams, covered with a layer of isolated concreted cover on which we have the roof tiles made of baked clay or concrete, all quite heavy and quite well made to withstand storms, or F1 to F2 tornado's, and yes we have them, not often, but it does happen.
The beams of the roof are anchored in the walls of concrete and stone and will not rip out.
Double glazed windows with a front pane of 1/2 inch laminated glass will break, but not shatter.

That is standard build here, you can find the odd Finnish wooden bungalow but they are sparse, high insurance premiums for fire insurance.
With the concrete reinforced floors these houses can burn, put on a new roof, and windows and doors and you're done with the rebuild, the casco will survive a fire.

I hope your homes are built with more thought than those in Spain. Stone, tile, and glass. Cold as hell in the winter, hot as hell in the summer, and no fire exits.

[KK4AMI]

Wow, that would be a lot of concrete. Hate to have to drill through that wall to run antennas.

Precast Walls

In order for a concrete room to effectively resist high winds and flying debris, most rooms built with precast concrete walls rely on 12- to 16-inch thick blocks. To keep the house and the room from being sucked into the air during a tornado, large footings that work like anchors are added to the walls to hold the room in place.



Reinforced Concrete Masonry

According to Texas Tech University’s Wind, Science & Engineering Research Center, rooms built with 6- to 8-inch thick reinforced concrete masonry provide resistance for F5 tornadoes, the most powerful storm possible. When concrete masonry is used, you must also add conventional reinforcing bars to give the structure more strength. In addition, cavities in the concrete block are filled with concrete to give the walls even more resistance.





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[PA5COR]

After the oil crisis in 1973 the government ordered houses here to be build with lots of isolation, mandatory double glazing and retrofitting old houses with isolation and the H.R.+ central heating equipment.

The walls of this house build in 1979 are 1/2 a meter thick consisting ot bricked wall on the outside, a isolated section in between of 6 inchs and a 8" reinforced concrete innershell, as well reinforced concrete floors, ground floor isolated as well.

Front door, Backdoor, attick has a window for light and escape over the roof, Smokealarm, and the bedrooms all 4 windows will open up far enough to escape.
On the front and back i installed rollo ladders that roll up inside a small housing and can be thrown over the windowsill and used to climb the 3.5 meters down.

2 Fire extinguishers in the house 5 and one of 2 Kg, both checked ( free) by the firebrigade each year.
The vertical L antenna is also on the back of the house, if need be one can slide down the 3 1/2 Inch pipe down there as well.
My son's bedroom has the downspout of the gutter he could use as well.

With this cold winter we used 1300 cubic meters natural gas for heating, cooking, showers, and bathing in one year, normally we can do that from 900 -1100 cubic meters per year.

The isolation also helps in the summer to keep the heat out with the use of window shades.
It will take 3 weeks scorching summer ( which we almost never get) to heat up the house.
Keeping the windows and doors closed in the day and open up in the night takes care of the reducing of the build up of heat.
A few large fans at night force cooler air through the house in summer from the outside in.
Our windows have a heat reflecting layer as well on them, cost a bit more, but pays off in the summer.
Never used an airco here in the last 27 years since i live here, not needed it too.

[KB3LAZ]

After the oil crisis in 1973 the government ordered houses here to be build with lots of isolation, mandatory double glazing and retrofitting old houses with isolation and the H.R.+ central heating equipment.

The walls of this house build in 1979 are 1/2 a meter thick consisting ot bricked wall on the outside, a isolated section in between of 6 inchs and a 8" reinforced concrete innershell, as well reinforced concrete floors, ground floor isolated as well.

Front door, Backdoor, attick has a window for light and escape over the roof, Smokealarm, and the bedrooms all 4 windows will open up far enough to escape.
On the front and back i installed rollo ladders that roll up inside a small housing and can be thrown over the windowsill and used to climb the 3.5 meters down.

2 Fire extinguishers in the house 5 and one of 2 Kg, both checked ( free) by the firebrigade each year.
The vertical L antenna is also on the back of the house, if need be one can slide down the 3 1/2 Inch pipe down there as well.
My son's bedroom has the downspout of the gutter he could use as well.

With this cold winter we used 1300 cubic meters natural gas for heating, cooking, showers, and bathing in one year, normally we can do that from 900 -1100 cubic meters per year.

The isolation also helps in the summer to keep the heat out with the use of window shades.
It will take 3 weeks scorching summer ( which we almost never get) to heat up the house.
Keeping the windows and doors closed in the day and open up in the night takes care of the reducing of the build up of heat.
A few large fans at night force cooler air through the house in summer from the outside in.
Our windows have a heat reflecting layer as well on them, cost a bit more, but pays off in the summer.
Never used an airco here in the last 27 years since i live here, not needed it too.

Yep, that sounds better. I dont know about houses as I live in the city but I have yet to see an apartment here with a fire escape. Many only have one entrance too. I live on the first floor so I can jump and maybe bust a bone or two. I dont think the guys on the 7th floor will be so lucky.

On the flip side. Our country house is stone and brick but like you had mentioned about yours, the walls are quite thick and we have replaced the paper windows. It doesnt get too cold or too hot. But as I said, in the city, forget about it.

[KK4AMI]

Yep, that sounds better. I dont know about houses as I live in the city but I have yet to see an apartment here with a fire escape. Many only have one entrance too. I live on the first floor so I can jump and maybe bust a bone or two. I dont think the guys on the 7th floor will be so lucky.

On the flip side. Our country house is stone and brick but like you had mentioned about yours, the walls are quite thick and we have replaced the paper windows. It doesnt get too cold or too hot. But as I said, in the city, forget about it.

The seventh floor guys will just wait until you are out then jump using you for padding.

PS- Happy Birthday, Sir.

[K7SGJ]

I hope your homes are built with more thought than those in Spain. Stone, tile, and glass. Cold as hell in the winter, hot as hell in the summer, and no fire exits.

I didn't think fire had been discovered in Spain, yet.

[PA5COR]

All high buildings here have mandatory several protected fire escape routes.
Older buildings were having them added or ripped down if not possible to build them to code.
Fire escapes have the fireproofing doors, walls smoke extraction accu energised escape signs, etc
Any building that is designed will pass the firefighters laws describing in detail what where and how many fireproof escape routes there must be and how loong they must last in worst case scenario.

Testing is done on regular basis, as well replacement of the accu's used to light the signs in case of electric breakdown.
Our gunclub had an extention build for the 100 meter range and fireproofing there was a nightmare because gunpowder is at play, all concrete build, 5 escape doors, escape plan that has to be tested by all clubs once a year with the members, under supervision of the fire peeps.
That 100 meter range is used by the police and military as well from the Aiforce base at Leeuwarden.
Good for up and .50 BMG, i did help with the build in some aspects, so i know how it is made.
Backstop is 8 meters of sand.
The other lanes use steel 45 degree slated special steel backstop where i do some repair welding on now and then.
Since i seem to be the only certified welder from the 5 gunclubs, that is my task.
And the reason i keep my T.I.G. and stick welding certificates licensed.

[KB3LAZ]

The seventh floor guys will just wait until you are out then jump using you for padding.

PS- Happy Birthday, Sir.

Lol and thank you.


I didn't think fire had been discovered in Spain, yet.

LMAO.


All high buildings here have mandatory several protected fire escape routes.
Older buildings were having them added or ripped down if not possible to build them to code.
Fire escapes have the fireproofing doors, walls smoke extraction accu energised escape signs, etc
Any building that is designed will pass the firefighters laws describing in detail what where and how many fireproof escape routes there must be and how loong they must last in worst case scenario.

Testing is done on regular basis, as well replacement of the accu's used to light the signs in case of electric breakdown.
Our gunclub had an extention build for the 100 meter range and fireproofing there was a nightmare because gunpowder is at play, all concrete build, 5 escape doors, escape plan that has to be tested by all clubs once a year with the members, under supervision of the fire peeps.
That 100 meter range is used by the police and military as well from the Aiforce base at Leeuwarden.
Good for up and .50 BMG, i did help with the build in some aspects, so i know how it is made.
Backstop is 8 meters of sand.
The other lanes use steel 45 degree slated special steel backstop where i do some repair welding on now and then.
Since i seem to be the only certified welder from the 5 gunclubs, that is my task.
And the reason i keep my T.I.G. and stick welding certificates licensed.

See, that seems reasonable and would make me feel better.

[WX7P]

The news talked about why so many people in OKC don't have basements being that they are living in Tornado alley. They said the ground is mostly damp clay. Basements tend to grow molds and fungus fast. Is there a house that will withstand 300 MPH plus winds? The big windows everybody has would seem to prevent that. Even if it could stand 300 MPH, the flying cars bombing it might be another matter.

http://www.monolithic.com/stories/building-survivability-the-strength-of-the-monolithic-dome

That's what dehumidifiers are for.

I've got one in my basement at the low spot and it does a good job of keeping out the mold and mildew. It doesn't run 24/7, but it does run a lot.

[X-Rated]

Deciding on what the people of the area should do for their homes should include living there for awhile as well. Many areas of tornado ally are very flat. Farther out to the west of Moore, you will find roads that do not have ditches because there is nowhere for water to run. Landscaping could be done where underground homes could be built above average ground level but one of my fears of going below ground level in some of those areas would be to save yourself from the winds to be trapped under ground and drown from the water.

I went through the Joplin tornado area right after the damage and there are 129 photos on my Facebook.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254073_1822438559901_112986_n.jpg

I am not sure that thick concrete reinforced walls alone will fix the problem. There will need to be some sort of design idea that will keep winds and debris from smashing it up.

[KG4CGC]

So what are you saying, Debbie Downer?
Design ideas are what this thread is about. If having your ginger bread house is more important to you than your safety then it would be advised that those of such a mind should seek to live elsewhere.

There are ways to do everything but putting up another toothpick home in the flatlands of Tornado Alley is not a solution.

[WØTKX]

Moar underground missile silos.

[KG4CGC]

Moar underground missile silos.

As you may already know, those were bought up and converted to posh, high end, Apocalypse proof homes for the very well to do and well connected. They were doing shows about some of them pre-Mayan countdown last year, blindfolding the narrator and film crew until they were on grounds.

[PA5COR]

We have only to build for a F1 or once in 30 year F2 tornado, we do have storms wit 120 140 Km/H windforce but that is it.
We do have the lowlying area's to protect against the sea, that is where we excell after 20 centuries fighting the sea.
God created the world, the Duch wrestled their country from the sea ;)

But even for the F5 tornado's there wwill be a solution, but people rather take their chances and believe once hit they will not be hit again well, they were hit in 1999 and now again.
At least you can build a reinforced concrete room in the house well anchored to the reinforced concrete deep dug in foundations to stay safe.
But we all know a toothpich ;) build house is cheapr as a decent designed and sturdy house would cost.
We rather prefer security and safety here, reason my front door is of 2"massive Oak, not the pressed PVC or multiplex variaty.

One year ago i saw a young guy drive his car into the house in the street in front of mine, did 45 miles per hour with a 1.5 metric ton car, he damaged the brick wall, but the concrete wall behind that hadn't budged an millimetre.
One afternoon redoing the brick wall under the window, the weakest point in the house, and the damage was repaired.
That is how we build'm
Even if a window would blow out the structure is sturdy enough not to fall apart or be ripped apart.

[X-Rated]

So what are you saying, Debbie Downer?
Design ideas are what this thread is about. If having your ginger bread house is more important to you than your safety then it would be advised that those of such a mind should seek to live elsewhere.

There are ways to do everything but putting up another toothpick home in the flatlands of Tornado Alley is not a solution.

Too bad Doug isn't on here for the discussion, but people who live in those areas are pretty resigned to know that their homes will be destroyed if a tornado hits. Of course it it possible to build underground, but going underground, the issue of water becomes paramount. In my picture above, I show how cinder blocks are pulled down easily. The reinforcement helps keep them from dispersing too badly. The picture above of the underground house that looks like it would be above ground is nice except it would require more land than what many people can acquire or have acquired.

I guess it is not a problem that a good old socialist program couldn't cure.

[KG4CGC]

Too bad Doug isn't on here for the discussion, but people who live in those areas are pretty resigned to know that their homes will be destroyed if a tornado hits. Of course it it possible to build underground, but going underground, the issue of water becomes paramount. In my picture above, I show how cinder blocks are pulled down easily. The reinforcement helps keep them from dispersing too badly. The picture above of the underground house that looks like it would be above ground is nice except it would require more land than what many people can acquire or have acquired.

I guess it is not a problem that a good old socialist program couldn't cure.
This isn't the Politics section.

Being 'resigned' to accepting that their homes are going to be destroyed every few years is a pretty sad way to go about your daily life when there are better alternatives.

[X-Rated]

This isn't the Politics section.


It's about time city and county planners, insurance companies, state governments and regular people demanded that building codes be changed to accommodate Safe Home Structures.

Kinda looked like it from the start though.

[K7SGJ]

I guess I don't understand. It's like these people that build a place near a river or right on the ocean. Doing so, while knowing all too well, that the area was flooded out a few years back. They get wiped out and go right back to the same high risk area. I only need a swift kick in the nuts once to learn a lesson. Plus, it seems like the 100 year floods now mean, it will flood like hell every year for a hundred years. I guess that's due to AGW or ACA or FBI or BFD or one of those initial thingies. Tornado alley? Not for this rat.

[KG4CGC]

Kinda looked like it from the start though.

I don't see that as political. Mentioning governments and etc does not a political discussion make. I find it difficult to grasp that you of all people would not be able to tell the difference considering your advanced thought processes compared to others.

To all my brothers and sisters on the Island.
If you want a political discussion on home building in danger zones then please, one of you start a thread in the politics sections and have at each other, tearing each other's assholes open larger and larger.
You will not conduct yourselves in such a manner in my thread.

[KG4CGC]

I guess I don't understand. It's like these people that build a place near a river or right on the ocean. Doing so, while knowing all too well, that the area was flooded out a few years back. They get wiped out and go right back to the same high risk area. I only need a swift kick in the nuts once to learn a lesson. Plus, it seems like the 100 year floods now mean, it will flood like hell every year for a hundred years. I guess that's due to AGW or ACA or FBI or BFD or one of those initial thingies. Tornado alley? Not for this rat.

Don't forget over development. In the old neighborhood I grew up in, they had a 500 year flood happen twice in 3 years and another in a series of 100 year floods occur yearly. Many homes were completely removed and bought by the county and no new structure is to ever be built there again. All this was due to a new subdivision which was built at the top of the slope. What was once farmland that held in the water was now adding to the run off that built up at the bottom. For years the creek (river) at the bottom filled up and held the water in check but with the new development the river couldn't handle the extra water. The flood water would reach up 300 yards past anything that was ever seen before and that would be about 18 feet above the top of the river walls which were already 10 feet high. On a normal day, this river was never more than a foot deep on average with a couple of spots that were 3 feet deep in the bends.

[X-Rated]

My childhood home was right on a river. The home was in a relative high place though and we never had floodwaters in our home. During the family living there for 40 years or so, we did have tornado damage. Mostly from tree limbs and such and it wasn't life threatening or cause any structural damage to the home. But how do you plan for a tornado? We have had tornadoes in all 48 states so unless you move to KH6 or KL7, you ain't moving away from tornadoes in the US.

There are earthquakes, hurricanes and fires, and all the time there are people saying, "I don't understand why people build in places that will take their homes in this manner." I guarantee that if you surveyed people in Moore, OK 2 weeks ago and asked them if they would prefer living in Moore or someplace else, you would have at least 60% say someplace else. They ain't there because this is their first choice. They are there because they need to make a living.

[X-Rated]

I don't see that as political. Mentioning governments and etc does not a political discussion make. I find it difficult to grasp that you of all people would not be able to tell the difference considering your advanced thought processes compared to others.

To all my brothers and sisters on the Island.
If you want a political discussion on home building in danger zones then please, one of you start a thread in the politics sections and have at each other, tearing each other's assholes open larger and larger.
You will not conduct yourselves in such a manner in my thread.

You did not simply mention governments. You specifically said, "It's about time city and county planners, insurance companies, state governments and regular people demanded that building codes be changed to accommodate Safe Home Structures." This requires political action to make this change.

[KG4CGC]

I'm sure they do need to make a living but i suspect that like in other places, the cost of insurance will drive them out. New types of structures will lower their rates and Moore can keep plugging along as a hub of economic activity.

[KG4CGC]

You did not simply mention governments. You specifically said, "It's about time city and county planners, insurance companies, state governments and regular people demanded that building codes be changed to accommodate Safe Home Structures." This requires political action to make this change.

Would you like to argue what the meaning of "is" is?

[Bubba]

OK, Bubba's Buddy. I have a co-worker from a military family that grew up on Guam.

Ok.... And..... How does it end ? :hyper::hyper: lol. I thought you were going to tell a story. His name is Vinny. Vinny and Bubba.

[N2NH]

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Oh and one more benefit - EMP Protection... (http://www.monolithic.com/stories/another-monolithic-benefit-emp-safety)(<--- Link 2)


That’s short for ElectroMagnetic Pulse, a burst of electromagnetic radiation caused by a high-energy explosion that can be manmade or nature-made.Monolithic (http://www.monolithic.com/) now introduces EMP safety. A Monolithic Dome (http://www.monolithic.com/topics/domes) with the right components can protect its occupants and/or equipment from EMP devastation — definitely something to be ready for.
Each year, more things become capable of producing electromagnetic pulses. And nature seems to be creating more of these pulses as well.
The following article written by Dr. Jaycee H. Chung, an engineering physicist with EMP expertise, explains EMP and the Monolithic Dome’s ability to protect against it.

[NA4BH]

Oklahoma is getting hannered again. Several dead.

LIVE LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/live-updates-large-tornado-ground-west-oklahoma-city-232120467.html?vp=1)

[KG4CGC]

I have a friend in Springfield MO. Hope he makes it through Saturday.

[W2NAP]

those weather channel chasers went for a wild ride

[NA4BH]

I'm guessing they found one

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/mKIBGsLKJXOFxjfMwgZMhg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zODM7cT03OTt3PTYxNA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/Weather_Channel_s_Tornado_Hunt_2013-e6ee724305411a21375d8e837a0aaa0c

[W2NAP]

bet they wished they didnt find it