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w0aew
10-10-2012, 02:12 PM
Ur 599 hr in Desperate, CO. Name Art. Hw cpy OM?
FB Art. Ur 559 hr in Depression, TX. Name Bill. Running 50w to a dipole.

You can probably predict the last few lines of such a "conversation" and maybe even lament the predictability of such a limited exchange. More prevalent on CW than with other modes, these dialogues can be even more abbreviated during contests in the voice and data sub-bands. You can hear true conversations with the voice and data modes on any given day, particularly the groups of three or more hams on 75 meters in the evenings when more participants can copy one another. You'll find their counterparts in the web conference modes and Echolink. However, do hams tinker with electronics for the social aspects of the hobby or the technical?

In the past few years I've become more interested in the technical than in the social facets of radio comms. From what I can gather, the first hams were intrigued with the idea of using radio waves to send signals wirelessly. Without the need for telephone or telegraph lines, it was possible to send and receive information through the air using designs published in popular journals and from parts found in mail-order catalogs and scrounged from around the home. Although primitive, it was possible to communicate with other hams hundreds or even thousands of miles away. You could impress non-ham friends and family with QSL cards...people who at that time were more likely to be astonished that you could even hear or "speak" with someone so far away than with whatever was actually communicated. These days, with instant communication anywhere on the planet only a few keystrokes away, and available to anyone with a few bucks to spend, the media used are less important than the message. Most hams no longer attempt to impress family or friends with their DX contacts. Instead, they generally are asked "what did you talk about?" You'll probably try to change the subject at that point. "Hey, no monthly fees!" Or, "See that little wire in the tree? I did it with only that!" (And a thousand bucks worth of radio.) However, I'm once again intrigued with the technical aspect of the hobby, and I'm only trying to impress myself. How can I establish a communications link over long distances with the least RF power?

I got back into the hobby around 1990 (after about 15 years QRT) with QRP CW rigs that I build from designs published mostly in 73 magazine. With just a few inexpensive, readily available parts I could assemble small radios capable of communicating thousands of miles. This was truly a challenge given that I lived in a townhome at the time: no yard, and talk about HOA restrictions. But with a couple watts and a loop nailed to the rafters in the attic, I easily worked stations on this continent and occasionally in Asia and Europe. With a two-meter HT, a computer, and a J-pole suspended by a string in the aforementioned attic, I even exchanged a packet message with the space station. Although I did enjoy occasionally chewing the rag with other hams, the prime motivator for me was hearing weak signals and deciphering enough information to understand where the other guy was and what gear he was using. I assume similar motivation for the other ham. What we had in common was that interest in the vagaries of RF propagation, simple equipment, and an understanding of how all that stuff worked (or didn't).

Over the years since, I've built on that interest with what various software geniuses have been doing with weak-signal HF communications. For example, Joe Taylor (K1JT) developed very robust software for EME and VHF/UHF experiments in weak-signal recovery. Variations of this software are now being used for weak-signal HF communications. A signal can be retrieved with strengths in the -27 dB range. In the WSPR system, a wholly automated exchange of low-power stations is globally mapped (http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node) with the information broken out by band, time-periods, station location, km/watt, etc. No conversations...just data regarding RF propagation and power (generally, how low can you go and still achieve basic contact?). This is not the sort of ham radio that appeals to those enjoy good ragchews. But even those folks can get into the act with other software.

Robust, soundcard-based data modes like Olivia, MFSK, MT-63, DominoEX and a host of others are cheap (or free), will run on the most basic home computer, require modest HF gear, and let you enjoy a good conversation and, at the same time, pique your curiosity about establishing communications that would be difficult, maybe impossible, using more familiar modes like CW or SSB. I've used Olivia to have conversations over half an hour with Australian or European hams when I wasn't sure if I was even hearing their signal or picking up a reasonably visible trace on the waterfall screen. That's why protocols are being established so that hams can "park" their rigs on a particular frequency to await a CQ that they can't see or hear.

Although I still have fun restoring and using old boat anchors, and CW is still my preferred mode when I just want to relax and listen to that rhythmical sound, I am intrigued by the ingenuity of those who develop these low-power and inexpensive means to recover intelligence from weak signals distorted by a mishmash of atmospheric hash and who provide these tools to the rest of us to experiment with. I'd like to think that I'm as fascinated as those hams of yesteryear with their spark-gap transmitters and coherers picking up a signal from far away.

So, what intrigues you most about the hobby?

k1oik
10-10-2012, 02:40 PM
Ur 599 hr in Desperate, CO. Name Art. Hw cpy OM?
FB Art. Ur 559 hr in Depression, TX. Name Bill. Running 50w to a dipole.


So, what intrigues you most about the hobby?

I once heard a speech from a man who said if you are being bored by a boring person study what makes them boring. The largest area of study I have found is ham radio
Apparently you are the same as virtually all of your comment concentrates on the technology over the person

PA5COR
10-10-2012, 03:12 PM
I experimented with antenna's for my tiny plot of land, and chose 160 meters as favourite band, just to annoy myself with a heap of trouble putting in 3000 feet of radials in every nook and cranny here and where neighbours allowd me to do my gopher work.

Why make it yourself easy? i build enough stuff myself over the last 48 years of my 60 year life, i'm on phone on H.F. and 6 meters, 2/70 lost my interest after 30 years and activety there dropped like a stone when all license classes got access to (partial) HF bands.

I;m listeing 99% of the time just make the odd qso if i hear a nice station, hoping to have a longer chat and not the standard 5/9 see ya...
Just want to hear from the others what they have,how they solved problems and learn from it.

Just looking for how the propagation is and works, and what my puny station can do.
;)

WØTKX
10-10-2012, 04:07 PM
I'm a ragchewer. Nothing pleases me more than working a DX station that has an interest in having a conversation, sharing cross cultural jokes, song lyrics and poetry. This tends to happen when the bands are very open, and have been for days. 17 and 12 meters, sometimes 30, 15, and 10. Asking somebody if they know a good joke on CW or digital is cool. :yes:

It's kind of rare, but really fun when it happens.

N8YX
10-10-2012, 04:25 PM
I'm into SSTV for the girlie pictures. :snicker:

KJ3N
10-10-2012, 05:54 PM
I'm into SSTV for the girlie pictures. :snicker:

Even TubGirl?

N8YX
10-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Even TubGirl?
That would take a while to send at 30sec/frame and I don't have all darned day...

WØTKX
10-10-2012, 07:21 PM
:doh:

AE1PT
10-10-2012, 10:30 PM
I was thinking yesterday about starting a thread about this very same thing!

The thing that spurred it (at about 3AM) was that I seem to be on a spending spree right now upgrading my bench gear. Out with the old generators and stuffsuch--in with the new. Just bought a Gigatronics/Fluke RF deck, jockeying about for a spectrum analyzer, and doing serious research on sweep generators. Why?

My conclusion was simple. At the end of the day I could care less if I actually get on the air or not. Give me a boatanchor and I'm good for a month doing a complete rehab on it. Maybe this is really my hobby? Give me a broken one and it gets even better!

N8YX
10-11-2012, 05:05 AM
At the end of the day I could care less if I actually get on the air or not. Give me a boatanchor and I'm good for a month doing a complete rehab on it. Maybe this is really my hobby? Give me a broken one and it gets even better!
This is one of the reasons - if not the main reason - why I'm involved with amateur radio: It gives the electronics tinkerer in me a goal. Operation is merely icing on the cake.

W3WN
10-11-2012, 07:42 AM
Even TubGirl?Not her. Even Fred has his standards. Low (after all, he associates with me) but he has them.

KA9MOT
10-11-2012, 07:48 AM
I was thinking yesterday about starting a thread about this very same thing!

The thing that spurred it (at about 3AM) was that I seem to be on a spending spree right now upgrading my bench gear. Out with the old generators and stuffsuch--in with the new. Just bought a Gigatronics/Fluke RF deck, jockeying about for a spectrum analyzer, and doing serious research on sweep generators. Why?

My conclusion was simple. At the end of the day I could care less if I actually get on the air or not. Give me a boatanchor and I'm good for a month doing a complete rehab on it. Maybe this is really my hobby? Give me a broken one and it gets even better!

That is the great thing about this hobby. There is something for everybody. Some folks like a single facet while others enjoy multiple facets.

KC2UGV
10-11-2012, 07:55 AM
I'm into the technical aspects of data interchange over RF. I don't even need to have a QSO, but at times, I'll call CQ, or answer one. For what I'm mostly interested in, PSK Reporter works well, so I can learn propagation. But I love playing with various modes to learn the best way to get a chunk of data from point A to point B.

KK4AMI
10-11-2012, 09:13 AM
I picked it up as a retirement hobby. I was always interested in HF as a kid, but now that I have the time and money, I can put up antennas galore and resume the search for Amelia Earhart. KK4AMI calling KHAQQ!

NQ6U
10-11-2012, 02:28 PM
Antennas are my thing. I don't know enough to construct serious home brew projects or repair radios but I find playing around with antennas fascinating--not to mention within my abilities. With one exception, everything I've got in the air is something I built myself. Lately I've been playing with Moxons, and I've got a design for a 15m version I'm going to build for Field Day next year.

WX7P
10-11-2012, 03:22 PM
Ham radio is fun, period.

I'm not very technical, but I love to operate. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm with Carl, the antennas are the bomb.

I also love to contest. CQP kicked ASS last weekend.

w0aew
10-11-2012, 06:28 PM
A great way to test antennas is with WSPR or PSKreporter. There may be others...dunno. Anyhow, you tune up the antenna, set the rig at a watt or so, and let the computer pulse that watt out at some interval. Within a few minutes you can see results on the map and modify the antenna accordingly. Here are some results within the last 24 hrs for a doublet at 25 ft (fed with open wire line) and one watt (both hearing and being heard):



Timestamp
Call
MHz
SNR
Drift
Grid
Pwr
Reporter
RGrid
km
az


2012-10-11 01:48
W3PM
10.140190
-16
0
EM64or
0.1
W0AEW
DN70ke
1724
296


2012-10-11 13:44
W0AEW
10.140236
-25
-1
DN70ke
1
VK4TMH
QG56fj
12858
260


2012-10-11 01:04
N0HCV
10.140174
-17
0
EN40fw
0.1
W0AEW
DN70ke
1149
270


2012-10-11 01:24
W0AEW
10.140230
-15
0
DN70ke
1
TI4/N0URE
EK70wb
3938
142


2012-10-11 01:08
K9AN
10.140267
-6
0
EN50wc
0.5
W0AEW
DN70ke
1443
276


2012-10-11 00:24
W0AEW
10.140253
-2
0
DN70ke
1
AE1C
FN42fc
2802
75


2012-10-11 14:28
W0AEW
10.140237
-18
0
DN70ke
1
K1JT
FN20qi
2575
80


2012-10-11 00:24
W0AEW
10.140234
-13
0
DN70ke
1
W4AC
EL86
2544
120


2012-10-11 00:28
W3BW
10.140191
-13
0
FM29bi
1
W0AEW
DN70ke
2490
282


2012-10-11 01:02
W0AEW
10.140240
-7
0
DN70ke
1
N3LCW
FM19tn
2444
82


2012-10-11 00:26
W3HH
10.140141
-18
0
EL89vb
1
W0AEW
DN70ke
2424
307


2012-10-11 00:54
W0AEW
10.140233
-4
0
DN70ke
1
W3HH
EL89vb
2424
114


2012-10-11 02:10
W0AEW
10.140241
-9
0
DN70ke
1
WB4KLJ
FM18ku
2396
84


2012-10-11 01:40
W0AEW
10.140240
-12
0
DN70ke
1
K1RA
FM18cr
2343
85


2012-10-11 01:02
W0AEW
10.140265
-25
0
DN70ke
1
K4HAS
FM09wd
2305
84


2012-10-11 01:12
KB3LSM
10.140255
-20
0
EN90xu
1
W0AEW
DN70ke
2114
276


2012-10-11 00:24
W0AEW
10.140234
+8
0
DN70ke
1
K1VBM
EM74xh
1971
103

KC2UGV
10-12-2012, 10:35 AM
A great way to test antennas is with WSPR or PSKreporter. There may be others...dunno. Anyhow, you tune up the antenna, set the rig at a watt or so, and let the computer pulse that watt out at some interval. Within a few minutes you can see results on the map and modify the antenna accordingly. Here are some results within the last 24 hrs for a doublet at 25 ft (fed with open wire line) and one watt (both hearing and being heard):
...


It's basically what I like to do. Put up antenna, let FLDigi listen for few days, while reporting to PSK reporter. Then, go and check out the maps to see where my antenna can hear the best.

Helped me find out that a dipole running down the length of my attic, while somewhat directional, covered every major area I would have been interest in, and was largely deaf over the Arctic.