Ken Burns, The Civil War

[N8GAV]

Look's like PBS is reairing "The Civil War". It dose not seem like it's been 20 years since it first aired. 150 years ago come this April 12th it all started, and at times it never has ended.

[W4RLR]

Look's like PBS is reairing "The Civil War". It dose not seem like it's been 20 years since it first aired. 150 years ago come this April 12th it all started, and at times it never has ended.Not in the eyes of many Southerners. But you would have to be a Southerner to understand.

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.

[N9FE]

I think it was one of the best show ever made. If you want argue about it go right ahead. Just like the WAR series, I could watch it over and over and never get bored and learn something new everytime.

[N2CHX]

Not in the eyes of many Southerners. But you would have to be a Southerner to understand.

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.

I'm all for kicking the south out of the union.

[W3MIV]

Not in the eyes of many Southerners. But you would have to be a Southerner to understand.

Nope. Just a bigot.


I'm all for kicking the south out of the union.

Nah. We need comic relief, especially now.

[W4RLR]

I'm all for kicking the south out of the union.I'm all for being kicked out. The South would be better off.

[W4RLR]

Nah. We need comic relief, especially now.Spoken like the true disaffected, bitter, disenchanted liberal you are. But I remain curious as to the fact if the South is such a terrible place, why is it you Yankees come down here, put down roots, and continue to bitch? You would be happier if you stayed in the North.

And so would we.

[KG4CGC]

I'm all for being kicked out. The South would be better off.
See. Can't tell if that's comedy or other.

[WØTKX]

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.


Naaaaa, something more tolerant than a flame thrower. :mrgreen:

http://www.whoaorno.com/images/229.jpg

[N8GAV]

Not in the eyes of many Southerners. But you would have to be a Southerner to understand.

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.

I understand the South better then you think Rich, a whole lot better then you think.

[W4RLR]

I understand the South better then you think Rich, a whole lot better then you think.Do tell, my esteemed brother amateur from the Buckeye State. My son lives in Dayton.

[W5RB]

I'm all for being kicked out. The South would be better off.

Yep , and this time , we're a nuclear power .:muhahaha:

[WX7P]

Not in the eyes of many Southerners. But you would have to be a Southerner to understand.

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.

Oh, Great. Richard the southern victim.

Please explain why the Civil War (not that bullshit "War of Northern Aggression" crap) never ended.

Here's my big time disconnect with all things southern (sorry, I can't capitalize anymore after listening to your noise and the likes of racists like Haley Barbour).

You guys claim to be victims. How does that work? When I was in MS after Katrina, the locals who were working, had homes and others who had shelter spent most of their time bitching that NO got the attention and they didn't. Granted, some parts of the Gulf Coast were fucked up, but nowhere near the level on a global scale as New Orleans, yet the local white people where pissed off that THEY didn't get any attention. Boo Hoo. Those people had homes and electricity and food AND insurance. At least my company at the time was there and we paid them according to the contract very quickly. But New Orleans got the press, so the panhandles whined.

It was the same shit in 2004. Those dipshits built houses on the barrier reefs and whined when the feds were slow with them, forgetting they were told not to build there in the first place. There was some asshole who was staying at the hotel I was in Pensacola who constantly whined about the feds and his insurance company when it was completely clear his policy excluded his damages completely. He was a whiny southern jerk who always changed the channel to Fox "News" in the hotel common area. I always changed it back.

You southern guys are ALWAYS victims. I don't have a clue why you have this voodoo. Guess what. You aren't victims at all. With the Sons of confederate victims excuse me, veterans, it's clear to anyone with a brain, the organization is and was completely racist from the beginning. The "heritage" crap is nonsense. Your spin about honoring your dead is equally bullshit. If honoring the dead was the issue, then tending graves and providing for a telling of history would be your mission, NOT perpetuating the racism of the South by protesting changing of the flags of southern states incorporating confederate symbols WHICH WERE CHANGED TO THOSE SYMBOLS IN THE 1950'S. That isn't heritage, that's racism, period.

You're white and entitled. From your rhetoric, that's clear. The irony, which is completely lost on you, because you don't know your OWN HISTORY is the power center of the south was the slaveholding elites. They fueled the South Carolina succession. They used the race issue as lever to get YOUR ancestors to fight their battles for them. It's just like now. Teh stupid are being used by the Koch brothers and others to fight their battles for them.

Get a clue. Figure this out. Guess what, Richard, I actually qualify to be a Sons of Confederate Victims er, Veterans member. My father is big into family history and we have Lowrey's that fought in the TN Giles County Third Infantry. These guys were sucked into the vortex just like your family was. Once they left the south, the voodoo vaporized.

The whole issue/problem/voodoo in the south is about race. Period. The sooner you guys grow up finally and figure that out the better. It's a problem for the whole country, but you guys have it the worst, so don't wimp out and do the finger pointing routine. As long as you have idiot racists like Haley Barbour as one of your leaders, you are fucked.

[W3MIV]

Not much I can add to that. :clap:

[PA5COR]

I agree with that...
Just saying the 2 pussies look like they have some mischief in mind....;)


Not much I can add to that. :clap:

[W5RB]

Oh, Great. Richard the southern victim.

Please explain why the Civil War (not that bullshit "War of Northern Aggression" crap) never ended.

Here's my big time disconnect with all things southern (sorry, I can't capitalize anymore after listening to your noise and the likes of racists like Haley Barbour).

You guys claim to be victims. How does that work? When I was in MS after Katrina, the locals who were working, had homes and others who had shelter spent most of their time bitching that NO got the attention and they didn't. Granted, some parts of the Gulf Coast were fucked up, but nowhere near the level on a global scale as New Orleans, yet the local white people where pissed off that THEY didn't get any attention. Boo Hoo. Those people had homes and electricity and food AND insurance. At least my company at the time was there and we paid them according to the contract very quickly. But New Orleans got the press, so the panhandles whined.

It was the same shit in 2004. Those dipshits built houses on the barrier reefs and whined when the feds were slow with them, forgetting they were told not to build there in the first place. There was some asshole who was staying at the hotel I was in Pensacola who constantly whined about the feds and his insurance company when it was completely clear his policy excluded his damages completely. He was a whiny southern jerk who always changed the channel to Fox "News" in the hotel common area. I always changed it back.

You southern guys are ALWAYS victims. I don't have a clue why you have this voodoo. Guess what. You aren't victims at all. With the Sons of confederate victims excuse me, veterans, it's clear to anyone with a brain, the organization is and was completely racist from the beginning. The "heritage" crap is nonsense. Your spin about honoring your dead is equally bullshit. If honoring the dead was the issue, then tending graves and providing for a telling of history would be your mission, NOT perpetuating the racism of the South by protesting changing of the flags of southern states incorporating confederate symbols WHICH WERE CHANGED TO THOSE SYMBOLS IN THE 1950'S. That isn't heritage, that's racism, period.

You're white and entitled. From your rhetoric, that's clear. The irony, which is completely lost on you, because you don't know your OWN HISTORY is the power center of the south was the slaveholding elites. They fueled the South Carolina succession. They used the race issue as lever to get YOUR ancestors to fight their battles for them. It's just like now. Teh stupid are being used by the Koch brothers and others to fight their battles for them.

Get a clue. Figure this out. Guess what, Richard, I actually qualify to be a Sons of Confederate Victims er, Veterans member. My father is big into family history and we have Lowrey's that fought in the TN Giles County Third Infantry. These guys were sucked into the vortex just like your family was. Once they left the south, the voodoo vaporized.

The whole issue/problem/voodoo in the south is about race. Period. The sooner you guys grow up finally and figure that out the better. It's a problem for the whole country, but you guys have it the worst, so don't wimp out and do the finger pointing routine. As long as you have idiot racists like Haley Barbour as one of your leaders, you are fucked.

Sheesh , what Southerner pissed in YOUR Post Toasties and inspired this kinda hatred ? And while I have some reservations about my Governor's politics , he has a well documented history in public life . Which part of it do you cite to back up your comments that he's a "racist" ? Or is that just the MoveOn talking point for ANY white southerner that's considered to be a potential player on the national scene ?

[W3MIV]

How about Barbour's referring to "White Citizens' Councils" in MS as not being racist at all, but merely a group of civic-minded businessmen? Sound like it rings true? How 'bout George Allen's use of the term "macaca" in reference to a Black campaign worker? Do you believe the South is free of racial bigotry today? Even close?

[W1GUH]

So, is PBS planning those hours long (or at least they seem that way) exhortations to send them money, just as the show gets interesting?

[W5GA]

How about Barbour's referring to "White Citizens' Councils" in MS as not being racist at all, but merely a group of civic-minded businessmen?
Hmmm, does that go with the Black Chamber of Commerce you find in most cities today?

[KJ3N]

Hmmm, does that go with the Black Chamber of Commerce you find in most cities today?

Yeah, because the White Man has been so down-trodden in this country over the last 200 years....... :roll: :roll:

[N8GAV]

Do tell, my esteemed brother amateur from the Buckeye State. My son lives in Dayton.

I think you have seen me post things about the Scot-Irish and farming bottom land and the one's farming the hills. My family came to America by a land grant given to Sir Owen Garrent and his son-in -law Bartholomew Pryce, by King William of Orange and Queen Anne for services given to the Crown during the time King James II was deposed. Both Garrent, and Pryce bloodlines bridge the Royal House's of York, Lancaster,Turdor, Steward, and Bourbon. Pryce was married to Garrent middle daughter Mary Elizabeth Anne, and their son Andrew Milton Pryce and his wife Jane Alice (ne) Lynne came to over see the Grant and settled in the area which is now around Ashville North Carolina. So you with me so far Rich?

[WØTKX]

Excellent rant Dave, and right on. :yes:

If this information that you presented were worded in a more genteel (respectful) manner it would still be considered an attack by a hostile abolitionist who just doesn't "get" it. The Civil Rights movement means a call to arms to the haters.

But carry on, as propagandists will. We all came "out of Africa" anyway.

[W5GA]

Yeah, because the White Man has been so down-trodden in this country over the last 200 years....... :roll: :roll:
If one is bad, so is the other...but you can attempt to justify it to yourself however you like.

[W4RLR]

Do you believe the South is free of racial bigotry today? Even close?No, and I believe the percentage of bigots in the North is at least equal, if not more to those in the South. We don't deny bigotry, what pisses us off is the holier than thou attitude of the Northerners. Your hands are certainly not clean, and your pious virtue is anything but.

There are bigots of every stripe in every state in the union. The South does not have a monopoly on bigotry, as sanctimonious Yankees such as yourself contend they do.

[W4RLR]

I think you have seen me post things about the Scot-Irish and farming bottom land and the one's farming the hills. My family came to America by a land grant given to Sir Owen Garrent and his son-in -law Bartholomew Pryce, by King William of Orange and Queen Anne for services given to the Crown during the time King James II was deposed. Both Garrent, and Pryce bloodlines bridge the Royal House's of York, Lancaster,Turdor, Steward, and Bourbon. Pryce was married to Garrent middle daughter Mary Elizabeth Anne, and their son Andrew Milton Pryce and his wife Jane Alice (ne) Lynne came to over see the Grant and settled in the area which is now around Ashville North Carolina. So you with me so far Rich? While my bloodline is not as remarkable as yours, I too descend from Scot-Irish stock. Add some immigrant German who settled in Georgia not long after the end of the Revolutionary War along with Cherokee indian and you would have a pretty good idea of my bloodline.

[W3MIV]

If this information that you presented were worded in a more genteel (respectful) manner it would ignored by them who most need to hear it.

Recast for accuracy.

[W4RLR]

Sheesh , what Southerner pissed in YOUR Post Toasties and inspired this kinda hatred ? And while I have some reservations about my Governor's politics , he has a well documented history in public life . Which part of it do you cite to back up your comments that he's a "racist" ? Or is that just the MoveOn talking point for ANY white southerner that's considered to be a potential player on the national scene ?That's just Dave. He thinks he lives in a worker's paradise with above average people of above average intelligence, and anyone born in or living in the traditional old South is an inbred, moronic troglodyte.

You know, a left coast liberal. Nothing to see here. He's just off his meds or constipated as usual...:snicker:

[NA4BH]

That's just Dave. He thinks he lives in a worker's paradise with above average people of above average intelligence, and anyone born in or living in the traditional old South is an inbred, moronic troglodyte.

You know, a left coast liberal. Nothing to see here. He's just off his meds or constipated as usual...:snicker:

Richard, he is just showing how bigoted he is, he is superior to the South. Let them think what they want, maybe it will keep the up North and out of our hair.

[W4RLR]

Recast for accuracy.Albi, you would ignore anything that does not conform to your world view, and you are incapable of even seeing another side of an issue.

Self-righteous pseudo-intellectual that you are, you will never get past the idea that you are always right and superior, and others with a differing view to yours are socially, intellectually, and morally inferior to you. You give yourself away when instead of calmly and tastefully presenting your point, you resort to vile invective and profane language. Your usual responses include references to bovine scat and word play on person's Christian names and their similarity to genitalia.

Rant on, brother. Rant on. But you are fooling no one.

[W4RLR]

Richard, he is just showing how bigoted he is, he is superior to the South. Let them think what they want, maybe it will keep the up North and out of our hair.This won't end well, if past experience is any indication. Dave will come up with some more stories about his experiences here, how we have sex with our blood kin, how the collective IQ of the South is only in double digits, typical for Dave.

Wait for it....

[W4RLR]

Not much I can add to that. :clap:Too early in the day and not enough alcohol in the system yet? It is so gauche to drink before noon.

[W5RB]

Yeah , well , I'm obviously part of the problem . I dunno how , in my current situation ( fat , white , and now unemployed well over 99 weeks ) , that I'm contributing to keepin' anybody down , but I'll try to learn better . Meanwhile , I have a suggestion for the folks who think the South is not being treated like a conquered country. Encourage your elected representatives to make the Voting Rights Act of '65 apply to every precinct in the US . Equal protection under the law , right ?

[WX7P]

This won't end well, if past experience is any indication. Dave will come up with some more stories about his experiences here, how we have sex with our blood kin, how the collective IQ of the South is only in double digits, typical for Dave.

Wait for it....

Get a grip. Richard, I never said any of that. It's your inferiority complex showing through again.

That's some serious voodoo. Appears to be incurable.

[WX7P]

Richard, he is just showing how bigoted he is, he is superior to the South. Let them think what they want, maybe it will keep the up North and out of our hair.

Another voodoo victim who can't read. Where did I say anything about superiority? Nowhere.

You guys look for monsters under your beds at night?

[W4RLR]

Another voodoo victim who can't read. Where did I say anything about superiority? Nowhere.

You guys look for monsters under your beds at night?Why look for monsters under the bed when there are plenty of people such as yourself in the world of reality?

Your posts regarding the superiority of left coast people and how people from other regions lack the intellect to gain employment in technical fields makes a lie of your pronouncements. Your name calling just adds fuel to the fire.

But if you're happy where you live, good for you.

[suddenseer]

Look's like PBS is reairing "The Civil War". It dose not seem like it's been 20 years since it first aired. 150 years ago come this April 12th it all started, and at times it never has ended.Well Hank, it appears the civil war has broke out in this thread. I was going to watch episode 1 last night, but my other half wanted to watch the country music awards. Since he rarely asks for the tv, I will catch the reruns tonight. I am too poor to buy the dvd set. I will try to catch the reruns tonight. Our local public tv stations are on 5 digital channels. One of them repeats the previous broadcast day.

Since this series is considered a tv masterpiece, I am sure it will be beg-a-thon night as well. I cannot believe 20 years has gone by. Burns presented the humanity, and horrors of war from both sides and made it real for the viewer. Unfortunately, the war has not ended for some folks.:ugh:

[WØTKX]

Some want it to continue, and honor the dishonorable. Amazing, isn't it?

[X-Rated]

...

I am now putting on my Nomex suit for the inevitable flames from the self-righteous liberal Northern/Western contingent.

See my avatar. Apparently you put the suit on the wrong way.

[W1GUH]

I'd love to watch this, but not if I'm going to be hyped for money. Is this one of those pledge drive shows?

[NA4BH]

I'd love to watch this, but not if I'm going to be hyped for money. Is this one of those pledge drive shows?

Do it for the children.

[suddenseer]

I'd love to watch this, but not if I'm going to be hyped for money. Is this one of those pledge drive shows?They always do beg-a-thon around the big shows. PBS is about the only thing I watch anymore as I don't have cable.

[NA4BH]

They always do beg-a-thon around the big shows. PBS is about the only thing I watch anymore as I don't have cable.

PBS has been on the eternal beg-a-thon around here. Money well sent.

[W4RLR]

PBS has been on the eternal beg-a-thon around here. Money well sent.We get the beg-a-thons from both WSRE, our local PBS affiliate, and WDIQ, the Alabama Public Television outlet. Both are on my DirecTV locals. Just another benefit of living in L.A.*

(*that's "lower Alabama" to you Yankee types)

[WØTKX]

http://www.diefordethklok.org/episodes/15/ScreenShot011.jpg


Skwisgaar: Hey uh, I got yous Ken Burns’ civil war documentary, ya know… actually,
I think this is yours, I’m just uh, giving it back to you. I uh… never watched it.

Murderface: Thank you.

[N8GAV]

Well Hank, it appears the civil war has broke out in this thread. I was going to watch episode 1 last night, but my other half wanted to watch the country music awards. Since he rarely asks for the tv, I will catch the reruns tonight. I am too poor to buy the dvd set. I will try to catch the reruns tonight. Our local public tv stations are on 5 digital channels. One of them repeats the previous broadcast day.

Since this series is considered a tv masterpiece, I am sure it will be beg-a-thon night as well. I cannot believe 20 years has gone by. Burns presented the humanity, and horrors of war from both sides and made it real for the viewer. Unfortunately, the war has not ended for some folks.:ugh:


I'd love to watch this, but not if I'm going to be hyped for money. Is this one of those pledge drive shows?

Up here I get WQED out of Pittsburgh, WOUC out of Cambridge/ Athens/ Zanesville, WNPB out of Morgantown WV. (WVU), and WNEO out of Salem/ Akron/Canton. and none of them are running pledge drives during the show. Don't know about the rest of the country. Yes Tim looks like I rekindled the war with this thread, Doubt that 600,000 will be killed by it, if that was the case won't be any hams left.

[WØTKX]

You didn't rekindle the war... it never ended for some. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyIMqXA_o8

[NA4BH]

You didn't rekindle the war... it never ended for some. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyIMqXA_o8

You are spot on, The Northerners.

[suddenseer]

Most of the Yankees I went to school with think that President Lincoln ordered General Washington to free the slaves. Martin Luther King Sr. was a slave that was freed, and invented peanuts.

[NQ6U]

Most of the Yankees I went to school with think that President Lincoln ordered General Washington to free the slaves. Martin Luther King Sr. was a slave that was freed, and invented peanuts.

I thought Roosevelt Washington Jones invented peanuts.

[NA4BH]

I thought Roosevelt Washington Jones invented peanuts.

He was on "Welcome back Kotter"

[W5RB]

He was on "Welcome back Kotter"

No , it was President Kotter who invented the peanut , or at least raised them on his farm. His brother , Billy , worked for Mo Kqgadaffi , and they convinced him to surrender to the Iraniums .

[NA4BH]

No , it was President Kotter who invented the peanut , or at least raised them on his farm. His brother , Billy , worked for Mo Kqgadaffi , and they convinced him to surrender to the Iraniums .

And then during a cease fire, they made that awful Billy beer. Right?

[NQ6U]

He was on "Welcome back Kotter"

The two aren't mutually exclusive. He could have invented peanuts and been on Welcome Back Kotter Pin.

[NA4BH]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. He could have invented peanuts and been on Welcome Back Kotter Pin.

You caught me on that one................ Geeze, am I red faced :lol:

[NQ6U]

You didn't rekindle the war... it never ended for some. :lol:

And here's the next scene. Might be NSFW or offensive to some.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434

[WØTKX]

HA! I saw that one, but well... decided to be nice. :rofl:

;)

[NQ6U]

HA! I saw that one, but well... decided to be nice. :rofl:

;)

Never an option in my case. ;)

[kd8dey]

I think it was one of the best show ever made. If you want argue about it go right ahead. Just like the WAR series, I could watch it over and over and never get bored and learn something new everytime.
I thought Babylon 5 was the best show ever made, seconded by Dr Who but I have no taste.

[W1GUH]

Happy to say that while I was watching, there were no money hypes. It was interesting and looked very well done. Thanks for the heads-up.

I'm compelled to mention George Washington Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver).

[N8GAV]

This won't end well, if past experience is any indication. Dave will come up with some more stories about his experiences here, how we have sex with our blood kin, how the collective IQ of the South is only in double digits, typical for Dave.

Wait for it....

Hold on there.......Having sex with your blood kin only happens in West Virginia, which begs me to ask a question. " If a husband and wife in West Virginia gets a divorce are they still brother and sister?"

[kd8dey]

My son lives in Dayton.
Well Son of a gun! So am I !
BTW is he a Ham?

[ka4dpo]

I grew up in Southern California, that's south sho nuf.

Then I moved to Florida, lived there 10 years, moved to Augusta, GA for 4 years, then moved here to the DC area (yankee turf). When I move it will be back to the South, Southern Ca. I hate snow, cold weather, and weird people from New England.

[WØTKX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyUKQo-P1-Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyUKQo-P1-Q

[KØWVM]

Naaaaa, something more tolerant than a flame thrower. :mrgreen:

http://www.whoaorno.com/images/229.jpg

Now this is what really drunk and dedicated Auburn fans say when they attempt to actually say, "War Eagle!"

[KØWVM]

I grew up in Southern California, that's south sho nuf.

Then I moved to Florida, lived there 10 years, moved to Augusta, GA for 4 years, then moved here to the DC area (yankee turf). When I move it will be back to the South, Southern Ca. I hate snow, cold weather, and weird people from New England.

Like the one's that live in N. Virginia? LOL!!

[W3MIV]

...then moved here to the DC area (yankee turf).

Ummm. I don't know where in the "DC area" you live, but you might get a map and look up the Mason-Dixon Line.

[W3WN]

Ummm. I don't know where in the "DC area" you live, but you might get a map and look up the Mason-Dixon Line.
Better yet, buy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Mason-Dixon-Line-Footsteps/dp/0984225641/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302031819&sr=8-1 . The author is Jack Layton W9UK. And he's already autographed my copy!

BTW, I know exactly where the Mason-Dixon line is. We pass over it every time we head to Alexandria to visit the kids. Now, we either do so along US 40 (south of Uniontown north of Keyser's Ridge) or, further east, I-70 (leaving Fulton County).

[W3WN]

I grew up in Southern California, that's south sho nuf.

Then I moved to Florida, lived there 10 years, moved to Augusta, GA for 4 years, then moved here to the DC area (yankee turf). When I move it will be back to the South, Southern Ca. I hate snow, cold weather, and weird people from New England.Oh? Then make sure you call my boy when you want to get tickets to see the Nationals play. (202) 640-7651, ask for Paul.

[ka4dpo]

Ummm. I don't know where in the "DC area" you live, but you might get a map and look up the Mason-Dixon Line.

I live in Leesburg ya gal durn flatlander, stay off my land.....

[W3WN]

I thought Babylon 5 was the best show ever made, seconded by Dr Who but I have no taste.
I really liked Babylon 5, although I had trouble catching the local station it was on it's last season and didn't really catch all the nuances. But Deep Space 9 was a notch better. But only a notch better. IMHO, YMMV VWPBL(STn)

[W3MIV]

I live in Leesburg ya gal durn flatlander, stay off my land.....

I have inlaws in Leesburg and Middleburg. In fact, my xyl's uncle used to be the sheriff of Middleburg, Jeep Craun.

[ka4dpo]

Hey Thanks Steve I just may give him a call. I just wish they would win a game once in a while.

[W4RLR]

Well Son of a gun! So am I !
BTW is he a Ham?No, he's a student. He also manages a Domino's Pizza joint and does body piercings on the side. Quite the entrepreneur.