participant most responsible for influencing the general atmosphere here.

[kc7jty]

RLR hands down!

the free fall continues.

keep up the good work Ricky, if nothing else you're always good for a laugh.

[X-Rated]

I never understood a board that employs a mod who attacks participants.

But it is interesting to see how people respond to the exit of some. Personally, I have been trying to emulate some of the godliness type of behavior of M0GLO and K7VV.

[KC2UGV]

People need to learn to separate what a staff member does as a staff member, and what a staff member does as a general member. I've never seen the staff here cross the line and take personal vendettas out on a member through administrative actions.

[X-Rated]

People need to learn to separate what a staff member does as a staff member, and what a staff member does as a general member. I've never seen the staff here cross the line and take personal vendettas out on a member through administrative actions.

So that is a vote for ME?

[W1GUH]

Not gonna pick out any one individual, but there do seem to be individuals who just LOVE to play devil's advocate (that term might be on the too charitable side) and seem to have a need to contradict anything regardless of how much twisted logic and/or obfuscating verbiage it takes. The ignore feature has become my friend.

[kc7jty]

I've never seen the staff here cross the line and take personal vendettas out on a member through administrative actions.
I have.

[KC2UGV]

I have.

When?

[NQ6U]

When?

When he was temporarily banned during an argument discussion with me over anti-semitism. Although we have some of the best moderators on the Web here, even our excellent mods are human. To their credit, they discussed his banning and lifted it after a short time which, in my opinion, is proof of the quality of the administrative staff here.

[ad4mg]

Take it from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular hunt ... there are a few folks here who just can't handle someone disagreeing with them, so they get all pissy. Disagree like men ... put away the butt-hurt shit.

Take, for example, Paul and I. In the political forum, we've hurled some real bombs at each other. We've had 'discussions' that have lasted for days. We're still friends.

Man up and stop fscking whining.

And, thanks, Carl. We just do the best we can. Most folks here appreciate it.

[W1GUH]

Take it from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular hunt ... there are a few folks here who just can't handle someone disagreeing with them, so they get all pissy. Disagree like men ... put away the butt-hurt shit.

Take, for example, Paul and I. In the political forum, we've hurled some real bombs at each other. We've had 'discussions' that have lasted for days. We're still friends.

Man up and stop fscking whining.

And, thanks, Carl. We just do the best we can. Most folks here appreciate it.

The other Paul, right?

[ad4mg]

The other Paul, right?
Was your use of the word "right" in that question a Freudian slip? :-D

Correct Right ... :lol:

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/Dog%20Walk/3092d5fb.jpg

[W3WN]

* sigh *

[kb2crk]

Was your use of the word "right" in that question a Freudian slip? :-D

Correct Right ... :lol:

which other Paul?

[KG4CGC]

One lone lawn mower this morning triggered an onslaught of a massive mower migration over yards everywhere in the Southeast today.

[kc7jty]

When?
When I got shit canned by Mikey according to what I heard.

[NQ6U]

One lone lawn mower this morning triggered an onslaught of a massive mower migration over yards everywhere in the Southeast today.

My condolences. I've been out in the yard with mower and weed whacker all week. Spring has sprung here on the Islets of Langerhans and the weeds have done their usual springtime thing of going from an inch tall to waist high in about three days.

[KG4CGC]

My condolences. I've been out in the yard with mower and weed whacker all week. Spring has sprung here on the Islets of Langerhans and the weeds have done their usual springtime thing of going from an inch tall to waist high in about three days.
Wow, bet they use up all the water and nutrient.

[NQ6U]

California, you know—since summer rain is very rare here, everything grows like crazy during the spring so it can set seed before it dries up.

[N2NH]

California, you know—since summer rain is very rare here, everything grows like crazy during the spring so it can set seed before it dries up.

I envy youse. The only green here was on the t-shirts of drunken Irish girls who forgot their coats (and sometimes their bras) at the bar. Hm, maybe that isn't so bad...

[N8YX]

I envy youse. The only green here was on the t-shirts of drunken Irish girls who forgot their coats (and sometimes their bras) at the bar. Hm, maybe that isn't so bad...
This is WORTHLESS without pix. :naughty:

I'll start:

From another board I frequent - they come out once a year...

http://www.ar15.com/media/images/xAvatar/98958.JPG

[KC2UGV]

When he was temporarily banned during an argument discussion with me over anti-semitism. Although we have some of the best moderators on the Web here, even our excellent mods are human. To their credit, they discussed his banning and lifted it after a short time which, in my opinion, is proof of the quality of the administrative staff here.

Antisemitism is a nasty thing (Along with most other "antis" there are). I know I would shit can the first instance I saw of it sprouting, and ask questions/sort it out later; if I was running a board trying to carry any modicum of respectability.

In that case, it's better to shoot first, and ask questions later when bigotry raises it's head; IMO.


... put away the butt-hurt shit...

You said butt hurt... lulz.


When I got shit canned by Mikey according to what I heard.

And, I see you're back posting. And, the break couldn't have been too long. And, from what I remember, the shadow of bigotry was cropping up there. Like I replied to Carl, if I was running a board trying to keep any modicum of respectability, I'd shit can at the first sign of it. Sort it out later.

Oh wait! I do that almost daily over at Wikipedia...

[X-Rated]

...

In that case, it's better to shoot first, and ask questions later when bigotry raises it's head; IMO.


...


A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders and religion or spirituality. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

Your first word was Antisemitism. This is the key word in this discussion. It has nothing to do with bigotry in general. Bigotry in general is what Bill is pointing out due to the fact that bigotry includes inter-regional prejudice. And at least one mod here has made reference to sexual preferences of men of Bill's area of the country.

This gets old very quickly for me. I know, as I can see here that there are a quite a few who do like to maintain their own bigoted remarks and scoff at those who look to quell their existence.

At no other time do we scream "bigotry" when the argument turns to subjects like federal spending. But when the topic is shelling out billions to maintain apartheid in the ME, then the "Antisemitism" word gets bantered about every single time.

Like I said. It gets old real fast.

[KC2UGV]

Your first word was Antisemitism. This is the key word in this discussion. It has nothing to do with bigotry in general. Bigotry in general is what Bill is pointing out due to the fact that bigotry includes inter-regional prejudice. And at least one mod here has made reference to sexual preferences of men of Bill's area of the country.

This gets old very quickly for me. I know, as I can see here that there are a quite a few who do like to maintain their own bigoted remarks and scoff at those who look to quell their existence.

At no other time do we scream "bigotry" when the argument turns to subjects like federal spending. But when the topic is shelling out billions to maintain apartheid in the ME, then the "Antisemitism" word gets bantered about every single time.

Like I said. It gets old real fast.

Antisemitism is bigotry. Plain and simple. And my only point is, in the case of bigotry rearing it's head, my personal policy (As far as forum administration) is to shoot first (Though perm/temp ban) and ask questions later about it.

[WV6Z]

Shit, this is confusing..... I agree with you both. And just because I have seen many a photo of Bill wearing plaid, floundering around on picnic tables with bottles of beer in hand or close by AND he's in Idaho...... does that make him a gay alcoholic lumberjack? Oh..... damn..... that didn't work out well....... *nervous giggle*.....errrmmm, Bill really IS a gay alcoholic lumberjack.

[N8YX]

And just because I have seen many a photo of Bill wearing plaid, floundering around on picnic tables with bottles of beer in hand or close by AND he's in Idaho...... does that make him a gay alcoholic lumberjack? Oh..... damn..... that didn't work out well....... *nervous giggle*.....errrmmm, Bill really IS a gay alcoholic lumberjack.
Funny; I thought we were all radio amateurs/electronics enthusiasts first...

[X-Rated]

Antisemitism is bigotry. Plain and simple. And my only point is, in the case of bigotry rearing it's head, my personal policy (As far as forum administration) is to shoot first (Though perm/temp ban) and ask questions later about it.

Then go after Antisemitism. I am behind you 100%. Go after the 'tards on arguing that nuclear power should go unchecked. As I see it, this stance is antisemitic due to the fact that nuke radiation can possibly kill Jews.

[W4RLR]

And at least one mod here has made reference to sexual preferences of men of Bill's area of the country.
I take it that you are referring to the post I made regarding sheep with "x" painted on their backsides. It seems people get very testy when their ox is gored, and cannot distinguish sarcasm and humor from reality. In any case, I would not be the first to make such a statement. Have you seen "Brokeback Mountain"? Heard the joke about the man with 100 girlfriends?

[KC2UGV]

Then go after Antisemitism. I am behind you 100%. Go after the 'tards on arguing that nuclear power should go unchecked. As I see it, this stance is antisemitic due to the fact that nuke radiation can possibly kill Jews.

Why go after "the 'tards on arguing nuclear power should go unchecked"? Which, FWIW, I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum state nuclear power should go unchecked. Seems someone is letting emotional rhetoric get the better of them, don you think?

[X-Rated]

I take it that you are referring to the post I made regarding sheep with "x" painted on their backsides.
Yes. The way you wrote that, I was assuming you meant Jewish sheep marked up there.

It seems people get very testy when their ox is gored, and cannot distinguish sarcasm and humor from reality.
This is very true. When they can't win an argument on substance, they pull the antisemitism card.

In any case, I would not be the first to make such a statement.
You make sure of that.

Have you seen "Brokeback Mountain"? Heard the joke about the man with 100 girlfriends?
No. Is this another anti-Jewish joke?

[W4RLR]

Yes. The way you wrote that, I was assuming you meant Jewish sheep marked up there.

This is very true. When they can't win an argument on substance, they pull the antisemitism card.

You make sure of that.

No. Is this another anti-Jewish joke?Hey, I would be the last person to make an anti-Semitic joke. I even have a tree planted in my name in the Holy Land, a gift from an elderly Jewish couple in Atlanta. Most of my friends from college are Jewish. I'm a member of a predominantly Jewish collegiate fraternity. If you say I am anti-Semitic, you are barking up the wrong tree.

[KC2UGV]

Hey, I would be the last person to make an anti-Semitic joke. I even have a tree planted in my name in the Holy Land, a gift from an elderly Jewish couple in Atlanta. Most of my friends from college are Jewish. I'm a member of a predominantly Jewish collegiate fraternity. If you say I am anti-Semitic, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Some people are getting hot under the collar, letting their emotions talk, rather than really thinking anything through today, I'm afraid.

[X-Rated]

Hey, I would be the last person to make an anti-Semitic joke. I even have a tree planted in my name in the Holy Land, a gift from an elderly Jewish couple in Atlanta. Most of my friends from college are Jewish. I'm a member of a predominantly Jewish collegiate fraternity. If you say I am anti-Semitic, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Do you know how many Palestinians have trees planted in the Holy Land? Are they immune from being called "antisemitic"? ROTFLMAO. Many Palestinians ARE Jewish and they are still referred to as being "antisemitic".

Bill has never made an antisemitic joke, yet you have no trouble bantering about that he is antisemitic just because you have no other way to disagree with him. Yes Corey. That is what this thread is about. It is about people who spout off their emotions without thinking. You like the emotional appeal that backs up your stance, and others want it reduced.

You will win.

[W1GUH]

This is WORTHLESS without pix. :naughty:

I'll start:

From another board I frequent - they come out once a year...

http://www.ar15.com/media/images/xAvatar/98958.JPG

Pity that pic wasn't taken when they were out.

[KC2UGV]

Do you know how many Palestinians have trees planted in the Holy Land? Are they immune from being called "antisemitic"? ROTFLMAO. Many Palestinians ARE Jewish and they are still referred to as being "antisemitic".

Bill has never made an antisemitic joke, yet you have no trouble bantering about that he is antisemitic just because you have no other way to disagree with him. Yes Corey. That is what this thread is about. It is about people who spout off their emotions without thinking. You like the emotional appeal that backs up your stance, and others want it reduced.

You will win.

I prefer not using emotional appeal as debate points. Seems others here use that tactic plenty, however :roll:

[WØTKX]

Perhaps things need to be defined, and discussed.

Don’t use anti-Zionism to legitimize anti-Semitism. (http://forums.hamisland.net/showthread.php?16464-Don%92t-use-anti-Zionism-to-legitimize-anti-Semitism&p=328849#post328849)

Pitching a fit when "accused of racist statements" is not dialogue, it's a hissy fit.

[kc7jty]

Antisemitism is bigotry. Plain and simple. And my only point is, in the case of bigotry rearing it's head, my personal policy (As far as forum administration) is to shoot first (Though perm/temp ban) and ask questions later about it.
All things Israel or Jewish are completely criticism free because of the potential critic's fear of being called Anti-Semitic. This even applies to persons of Jewish heritage who are called Anti-Semitic by non Jews.
It's 100% asinine, and those who support this crap categorize themselves very precisely.

[KC2UGV]

All things Israel or Jewish are completely criticism free because of the potential critic's fear of being called Anti-Semitic. This even applies to persons of Jewish heritage who are called Anti-Semitic by non Jews.
It's 100% asinine, and those who support this crap categorize themselves very precisely.

I'm rather sure I never claimed that.

[kc7jty]

When they can't win an argument on substance, they pull the antisemitism card.
BINGO!
and they are so smug they expect to pull it every time because they somehow deserve it.

[kc7jty]

Don't-use-anti-Zionism-to-legitimize-anti-Semitism
Of course we all know anyone who sees anything short of perfect concerning Israel hates all Jews.
It must have really irked the crap out of you when I failed your PM baits to prove I was the Anti Semite you so much wanted me to be. Had I failed it, and truly was Antisemitic you would have been the happiest man in Denver. You people have become the victims of your own bullshit. You think I'm the only one in the country that sees this?

[WØTKX]

:rofl:

Maybe I should be the happiest man in Denver.

http://jewishcurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/20090618_121931_cd18berg.jpg

[W4RLR]

Do you know how many Palestinians have trees planted in the Holy Land? Are they immune from being called "antisemitic"? ROTFLMAO. Many Palestinians ARE Jewish and they are still referred to as being "antisemitic".

Bill has never made an antisemitic joke, yet you have no trouble bantering about that he is antisemitic just because you have no other way to disagree with him. Yes Corey. That is what this thread is about. It is about people who spout off their emotions without thinking. You like the emotional appeal that backs up your stance, and others want it reduced.

You will win.If your argument is with Corey, then why did you quote MY post? For the record, Bill may not have made an anti-Semitic joke, but he has made MANY anti-Semitic statements.

My question is who are you having an argument with?

[kc7jty]

:rofl:

Maybe I should be the happiest man in Denver.

http://jewishcurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/20090618_121931_cd18berg.jpg
Oh there's reason for concern all right, but it's pushed into the realm of ridiculousness, besides Mr Berg was quite the outspoken one, as well as taunter. It undoubtedly boosted his ratings.

I've met the white supremacists here on more than one occasion. In a discussion in a supermarket, as soon as this one guy found there was something we agreed on he immediately told me I had to shave off my beard.
I'll be the first to tell you those people are the most intolerant, scary, and quite frankly nut cake people I've ever met.
I'm certain Alan knew the risk.

[kc7jty]

For the record, Bill may not have made an anti-Semitic joke, but he has made MANY anti-Semitic statements.

SOS! Again, If special pro Semitic treatment is not given, it automatically an Anti Semite makes.

[W3MIV]

Hey, I would be the last person to make an anti-Semitic joke. I even have a tree planted in my name in the Holy Land, a gift from an elderly Jewish couple in Atlanta. Most of my friends from college are Jewish. I'm a member of a predominantly Jewish collegiate fraternity. If you say I am anti-Semitic, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Oh, Lord! The ol' "most of my friends are Jewish" comment. Instead of barking at that tree, I should think marking it would be a better idea.

[NA4BH]

Somebody please make this SHIT stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kc7jty]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Jeez-not_agaian.jpg/180px-Jeez-not_agaian.jpg

[W3MIV]

Somebody please make this SHIT stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why. If there is a foundation to the discussion, it should be aired and aired well. If you don't want to read any of the posts or participate in the discussion, simply go away and you will not be bothered by it. To whine and complain is a QRZ tactic. Hopefully it won't work here.

[NA4BH]

Whatever

[kc7jty]

to those with eyes.....
the gift of sight.

[WØTKX]

Why. If there is a foundation to the discussion, it should be aired and aired well. If you don't want to read any of the posts or participate in the discussion, simply go away and you will not be bothered by it. To whine and complain is a QRZ tactic. Hopefully it won't work here.

Agreed.

[NA4BH]

Nothing like good discussion

http://forums.hamisland.net/showthread.php?16443-participant-most-responsible-for-influencing-the-general-atmosphere-here.&p=328450&viewfull=1#post328450

[WX7P]

I take it that you are referring to the post I made regarding sheep with "x" painted on their backsides. It seems people get very testy when their ox is gored, and cannot distinguish sarcasm and humor from reality. In any case, I would not be the first to make such a statement. Have you seen "Brokeback Mountain"? Heard the joke about the man with 100 girlfriends?

I wouldn't touch that argument if I were you, Richard when even an oblique negative reference to anything Southern or the military gets you spinning like a dervish. I agree, the victim routine is boring, yet you go there constantly.

The "just a joke" defense is LAME. If you can't stay consistent, it's better to say nothing at all. You're way better than you used to be, but you still aren't in any position to lecture anyone else about being testy.

[W4RLR]

Oh, Lord! The ol' "most of my friends are Jewish" comment. Instead of barking at that tree, I should think marking it would be a better idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo&feature=related
Guess the truth isn't something you can handle? To paraphrase Colonel Jessup, my words are something I believe in. Your words are nothing more than a punch line.

[W4RLR]

I wouldn't touch that argument if I were you, Richard when even an oblique negative reference to anything Southern or the military gets you spinning like a dervish. I agree, the victim routine is boring, yet you go there constantly.

The "just a joke" defense is LAME. If you can't stay consistent, it's better to say nothing at all. You're way better than you used to be, but you still aren't in any position to lecture anyone else about being testy.Fine Dave, but the person I referenced with that statement has already received an apology. You on the other hand do not have a dog in the fight.

By the way, most of the references to the military or things Southern on this forum ARE of a negative nature. But I consider the sources and their pseudo-superiority and write it off for what it is, pseudo-superiority.

Tell me how great it is to live in California again...

[W4RLR]

Why. If there is a foundation to the discussion, it should be aired and aired well. If you don't want to read any of the posts or participate in the discussion, simply go away and you will not be bothered by it. To whine and complain is a QRZ tactic. Hopefully it won't work here.Ever heard that old saw about beating a dead horse? Some of you could be arrested for desecration of a corpse.

Bob is right. Give it a rest already. There are other things we could talk about, like radio.

[W3WN]

< snip >
ROTFLMAO. Many Palestinians ARE Jewish and they are still referred to as being "antisemitic".
< snip >Since you bring this point up, here's one for you to chew on.

My mother and her family emigrated to British Palestine sometime very early in her life. How early I don't know, she doesn't talk much about this, but she was still considered an infant, so this was during the early 1930's. Anyway, the family were considered British subjects in the Palestinian territory at that time.

She fought in the 1948 war, lived in Israel for a time afterwards, and eventually came the US.

So... technically speaking, am I half-Israeli, or half-Palestinian?

[NQ6U]

Hello.

It makes you a Mexican Arab.

[kc7jty]

Hello.

It makes you a Mexican Arab.
and the best answer is.....
Mexican Arab!

[N8YX]

and the best answer is.....
Mexican Arab!
Mexarab.

One of the pharmaceutical companies will prolly try to trademark it, tho.

;)

[X-Rated]

Since you bring this point up, here's one for you to chew on.

My mother and her family emigrated to British Palestine sometime very early in her life. How early I don't know, she doesn't talk much about this, but she was still considered an infant, so this was during the early 1930's. Anyway, the family were considered British subjects in the Palestinian territory at that time.

She fought in the 1948 war, lived in Israel for a time afterwards, and eventually came the US.

So... technically speaking, am I half-Israeli, or half-Palestinian?

It makes you free of jokes being flung your way.

[ab1ga]

So... technically speaking, am I half-Israeli, or half-Palestinian?

All Philly?

[WX7P]

Fine Dave, but the person I referenced with that statement has already received an apology. You on the other hand do not have a dog in the fight.

By the way, most of the references to the military or things Southern on this forum ARE of a negative nature. But I consider the sources and their pseudo-superiority and write it off for what it is, pseudo-superiority.

Tell me how great it is to live in California again...

Oh, Ok. Thanks for telling me I'm not entitled to stating my opinion.

BTW, your voodoo is showing again. Nobody has overtly trashed the South here. What is this pseudo superiority babble? That's your issue, not the participants in this forum.

The comments regarding the military aren't bashing, they are merely opinions that YOU don't happen to like. Deal with it.

Your post reveals you are still living in the zed days. I've said zero about the South and California especially since you've been here because I know you're oh so sensitive about anything said about the South. You might think about that before you start rolling out another one of your regional "jokes".

[W3WN]

All Philly?Wrong side of the state.

Besides, I grew up in NNJ.

[W3WN]

It makes you free of jokes being flung your way.Best answer yet.

My point is that some around here... and elsewhere... are too hung up on convenient labels. Reality is much more complicated.

[W3WN]

Hello.

It makes you a Mexican Arab.
I am not Rudi.

I'm not Rudy either. Never went to Notre Dame, for one thing.

[kc2orw]

Take it from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular hunt ... there are a few folks here who just can't handle someone disagreeing with them, so they get all pissy. Disagree like men ... put away the butt-hurt shit.

Take, for example, Paul and I. In the political forum, we've hurled some real bombs at each other. We've had 'discussions' that have lasted for days. We're still friends.

Man up and stop fscking whining.

And, thanks, Carl. We just do the best we can. Most folks here appreciate it.

There you go that probably says it best but I have suggestions. If this place pisses you off than it is probably time for a break. It is nearly spring go for a hike, run or walk. Get some fresh air smelling flatulence, yours an others, can really bring you down.
We all like to win an argument but do try to remember in politics there few truths to be found. Try to consider am I really right or do I just want to win. In this case likely it mean a political or philosophical argument. In the end we all do better by not investing in silliness of ego especially concerning matters that we little influence over, all we have is an opinion and like A-holes we all have one.
Oh just in case anyone might be thinking I consider myself high minded and superior let tell you that I don't believe that to be the case. I like anyone else am subject to the same condition, the human condition... :)

[ki4itv]

I've gone to great expense in fine tuning my high mindedness.

[suddenseer]

I've gone to great expense in fine tuning my high mindedness.Me too. Herbal enhancement helps maintain the degree of high mindness necessary to survive this modern world.

[kc2orw]

I've gone to great expense in fine tuning my high mindedness.

So go outside and be humbled by nature :)

[NQ6U]

So go outside and be humbled by nature :)

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, one enhances the other.

Or, so I've heard. Not that I have any first hand experience, you understand.

[kd8dey]

try to remember in politics there few truths to be found. :)

There is truth to be found in politics? I always thought that ALL politicians were pretty much just full of shit.

A very few may have started out honest enough, BUT after that first taste of "Power"....

[kc2orw]

There is truth to be found in politics? I always thought that ALL politicians were pretty much just full of shit.

A very few may have started out honest enough, BUT after that first taste of "Power"....

I am humbled by your observation :)
I would be away from my PC right now but this is my day for research and writing for work, yes homework things need to get done sometime or other. Tomorrow, however, is another day and that might require some sort of hike or some such thing. We will see what the weather is then and decide at that time.

[kd8dey]

Mexarab.

One of the pharmaceutical companies will prolly try to trademark it, tho.

;)

If it is made in a Mexican lab will there still be a need for a cheaper generic alternative?
I'm still waiting for them to get approval for the generic version of Viagra (Mycoxafloppin)

[W1GUH]

There is truth to be found in politics? I always thought that ALL politicians were pretty much just full of shit.

A very few may have started out honest enough, BUT after that first taste of "Power"....

"I always thought that ALL politicians were pretty much just full of shit." <-- that's one of those truths!

[X-Rated]

There you go that probably says it best but I have suggestions. If this place pisses you off than it is probably time for a break. It is nearly spring go for a hike, run or walk. Get some fresh air smelling flatulence, yours an others, can really bring you down.
We all like to win an argument but do try to remember in politics there few truths to be found. Try to consider am I really right or do I just want to win. In this case likely it mean a political or philosophical argument. In the end we all do better by not investing in silliness of ego especially concerning matters that we little influence over, all we have is an opinion and like A-holes we all have one.
Oh just in case anyone might be thinking I consider myself high minded and superior let tell you that I don't believe that to be the case. I like anyone else am subject to the same condition, the human condition... :)

I used the warm air yesterday to work on cars with my son. It was gratifying and a way to learn more about the ones we love.

I consider you to be a very good friend Alan. No smart assed remarks from me to anyone trying to make this world a better place.