Really? A "Pleasure Cruise"?

[KC2UGV]

Who the hell sails in known pirate controlled waters? It's like taking a pleasure cruise in the stopping grounds of Blackbeard, and expecting to be safe...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7451064.html

No offense, but we (As a global community) did this to ourselves by paying ransoms. There is a reason the US has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists.

[N8YX]

I know how to fix this particular issue but I guarantee it'll create a firestorm of howling indignation.

[KC2UGV]

Well, it's not that I wish harm on anyone, but jeez-louise... Common sense dictates: You should not take a small yacht into pirate-infested waters, alone. If you must take a small, slow yacht into pirate infested waters, you should have an armed escort ship. And, the corollary is: You don't take a pleasure cruise into pirate infested waters, irrespective of boat.

[W5GA]

I'm thinkin' that letters of Marque and Reprisal may be appropriate again.

[W3WN]

Let me put it this way: Anyone NOT know why the Marine Corp Hymn includes the line "to the shores of Tripoli" ??

There's a simple solution to this: The Pirates have declared war on shipping. Treat the situation appropriately.

You think that if the pirates start getting wiped out en masse, after the first ones get theirs, those who are next in line won't take notice?

[N8YX]

"If they send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue!"

http://www.seanconneryonline.com/untouchables07.jpg

Expand that to include "village", then "city", then "province".

Eventually, the problem will be dealt with internally.

[KC2UGV]

Let me put it this way: Anyone NOT know why the Marine Corp Hymn includes the line "to the shores of Tripoli" ??

There's a simple solution to this: The Pirates have declared war on shipping. Treat the situation appropriately.

You think that if the pirates start getting wiped out en masse, after the first ones get theirs, those who are next in line won't take notice?

Yep... We can afford yet another war...

How about just making it illegal to pay ransoms? And, if a foreign nation succumbs to the call of paying ransoms, they get denied access to our ports?

That makes piracy not pay. And, it costs $0 to implement.

[W3WN]

Yep... We can afford yet another war...

How about just making it illegal to pay ransoms? And, if a foreign nation succumbs to the call of paying ransoms, they get denied access to our ports?

That makes piracy not pay. And, it costs $0 to implement. I'm not saying I like the notion. But the fact of the matter is that the pirates have already declared, and are waging, war.

Are you going to tell me that the US Navy, with the ships already in the area, doesn't already have the resources to know exactly where at least some of these pirates are located?

I say that the next time there's a hijacking, and US citizens held for ransom, the Navy issue an ultimatium, to wit: We know where you live. We know where your family lives. You have 12 hours to release the hostages unharmed. Or else. One or two bombs later, they will leave us alone.

You think it won't work? Just ask the Russians.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

Both the British and the Russians have solved this problem.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1421479@N20/
The Russian boats are a piece of chit, true.
But they carry a LOT of firepower and a bunch of radios.
The British? screw prepare to surface, they just do, right under the pirates.
In my collection I have 2 AK74 in Stainless Steel with brown Plastic furniture, one a PDW.
http://www.avtomats-in-action.com/index.html
The Russian merchant marine edition is produced exactly like the standard issue AK74, and as such can no longer be imported, but is supplied as semi-automatic.
So, a crew of 15 to 20, with semiautomatic weapons plus 2 to 3 military personnel with anti tank weapons, remember all the radios?
But what did you expect?
4001

[KG4CGC]

What's wrong with a 2nd Amendment Solution on the High Seas? You can pretty much shoot willy nilly out there.

[KA5PIU]

What's wrong with a 2nd Amendment Solution on the High Seas? You can pretty much shoot willy nilly out there.

Hello.

Somehow, people plan on being safe in pirate infested waters while on a pleasure cruise.
I think that, in a nutshell, that is the problem.
Now, I normally would not go, but,,,,,
If somebody is willing to fund a hunting expedition on the high seas? mark me down for it!

[kc7jty]

Well, it's not that I wish harm on anyone, but jeez-louise... Common sense dictates: You should not take a small yacht into pirate-infested waters, alone. If you must take a small, slow yacht into pirate infested waters, you should have an armed escort ship. And, the corollary is: You don't take a pleasure cruise into pirate infested waters, irrespective of boat.
If the Lara Logan rule applies here you're banging your head against the wall.

[kc7jty]

Let me put it this way: Anyone NOT know why the Marine Corp Hymn includes the line "to the shores of Tripoli" ??

There's a simple solution to this: The Pirates have declared war on shipping. Treat the situation appropriately.

You think that if the pirates start getting wiped out en masse, after the first ones get theirs, those who are next in line won't take notice?
.....but that would be politically incorrect. Pirates are people too.

[kc7jty]

Yep... We can afford yet another war...

How about just making it illegal to pay ransoms? And, if a foreign nation succumbs to the call of paying ransoms, they get denied access to our ports?

That makes piracy not pay. And, it costs $0 to implement.
idiotic

[W3WN]

.....but that would be politically incorrect. Pirates are people too.
They may be homo sapiens genetically. But are they people?

And frack political correctness.

[kc7jty]

There is a way I admire Izrul. How long you think the pirates would be in business if they were fuc*ing with Israelis?

[KA5PIU]

There is a way I admire Izrul. How long you think the pirates would be in business if they were fuc*ing with Israelis?

Hello.

As I pointed out, it is pretty much the PC countries that follow the PC rules.
Remember when Greenpeace took on the Russians?
Were the Greenpeace idiots not aware that Russian fishing boats double as ice breakers?
Along the sides of an ice breaker are the sharp ridges that help push the ice away.

[KC2UGV]

I'm not saying I like the notion. But the fact of the matter is that the pirates have already declared, and are waging, war.

Are you going to tell me that the US Navy, with the ships already in the area, doesn't already have the resources to know exactly where at least some of these pirates are located?

I say that the next time there's a hijacking, and US citizens held for ransom, the Navy issue an ultimatium, to wit: We know where you live. We know where your family lives. You have 12 hours to release the hostages unharmed. Or else. One or two bombs later, they will leave us alone.

You think it won't work? Just ask the Russians.

Nobody is "declaring war", unless you think Blackbeard declared war on the crown... It's piracy, plain and simple. It's not war. And, the only thing the Brits did was attack the pirate vessels on sight. They didn't (usually) hunt them down.

Will it work? Of course not. You bomb one town, and another town will spring up. It's simple economics at work here: You can make $3.5 million per job. $3.5 large goes a long way in Somalia.


What's wrong with a 2nd Amendment Solution on the High Seas? You can pretty much shoot willy nilly out there.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think there is some law about merchant and pleasure craft can not be armed or something like that.

[n2ize]

A better solutions would be for the powers that be to stop exploiting the Somalians.. In addition to exploiting the nations of Africa (and most of the world) it was these decades of expploitation and abuse that has led to the outgrowth of whhat we now call "piracy". Instead of calling for Israel to blow up Somalia, or the USA to send the Marines to kick their asses, why not instead try treating the people of Somalia like human beings for a change ? Stop exploiting their waters and their land.

Read the following for a side to the story other than the "let's kick their butts" side we constantly get on American mainstream news.

http://open.salon.com/blog/kikenileda/2009/04/13/somali_pirates_vs_western_exploitation_of_coastal_ waters

http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2010/oct/us_is_executing_a_genocide_in_somalia_deputy_speak er.aspx

[W3WN]

John, are you arguing that it's ok for the piracy to continue, because of allegations that the countries that the pirates allegedly come from have been exploited?

Two wrongs do not make a right! [Except in NASCAR, and then it's three lefts make a right...]

[KG4CGC]

http://forums.hamisland.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by KG4CGC http://forums.hamisland.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.hamisland.net/showthread.php?p=323413#post323413)
What's wrong with a 2nd Amendment Solution on the High Seas? You can pretty much shoot willy nilly out there.

Originally Posted by KC2UGV I was thinking the same thing, but I think there is some law about merchant and pleasure craft can not be armed or something like that. Must have been something that happened over the past 20 or 30 years. There was a time when most people would never head out on the high seas without arms. Perhaps they were doing it illegally.

[KC2UGV]

Must have been something that happened over the past 20 or 30 years. There was a time when most people would never head out on the high seas without arms. Perhaps they were doing it illegally.

I could be wholly incorrect. I'm not a sailor (Well, I do some boating, but not on high-seas).

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

Nuclear waste? Somalia?
Good god, I would be building a bunch of gas centrifuge units!
Nuclear waste is ideal for producing a dirty bomb.
And the deluxe side to this is the fact you really need not get it that hot, it provides most of the thermal energy on its own, you just have to spin it fast enough and have it get hot enough to split on the mechanical level.
Six months and enough material and I can have a simple rocket that does little initial damage, can be fired by one person, easy to carry and use.
But will kill everyone around within 2 months and leave the area unsafe for hundreds of years.
Fire that off at the super bowl and it is all over for the NFL, everyone dies.
And, that is just ONE!

[KG4CGC]

Hello.

Nuclear waste? Somalia?
Good god, I would be building a bunch of gas centrifuge units!
Nuclear waste is ideal for producing a dirty bomb.
And the deluxe side to this is the fact you really need not get it that hot, it provides most of the thermal energy on its own, you just have to spin it fast enough and have it get hot enough to split on the mechanical level.
Six months and enough material and I can have a simple rocket that does little initial damage, can be fired by one person, easy to carry and use.
But will kill everyone around within 2 months and leave the area unsafe for hundreds of years.
Fire that off at the super bowl and it is all over for the NFL, everyone dies.
And, that is just ONE!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/001/cf444a1c.jpg

[NQ6U]

Hello.

Nuclear waste? Somalia?
Good god, I would be building a bunch of gas centrifuge units!
Nuclear waste is ideal for producing a dirty bomb.
And the deluxe side to this is the fact you really need not get it that hot, it provides most of the thermal energy on its own, you just have to spin it fast enough and have it get hot enough to split on the mechanical level.
Six months and enough material and I can have a simple rocket that does little initial damage, can be fired by one person, easy to carry and use.
But will kill everyone around within 2 months and leave the area unsafe for hundreds of years.
Fire that off at the super bowl and it is all over for the NFL, everyone dies.
And, that is just ONE!

http://oaktownheidi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/bunny-with-pancake-on-its-head.jpg

[KG4CGC]

Poor Bunneh.

[W3WN]

Hello.

Nuclear waste? Somalia?
Good god, I would be building a bunch of gas centrifuge units!
Nuclear waste is ideal for producing a dirty bomb.
And the deluxe side to this is the fact you really need not get it that hot, it provides most of the thermal energy on its own, you just have to spin it fast enough and have it get hot enough to split on the mechanical level.
Six months and enough material and I can have a simple rocket that does little initial damage, can be fired by one person, easy to carry and use.
But will kill everyone around within 2 months and leave the area unsafe for hundreds of years.
Fire that off at the super bowl and it is all over for the NFL, everyone dies.
And, that is just ONE!Ku goniff must be reading Tom Clancy again.

[W5GA]

I could be wholly incorrect. I'm not a sailor (Well, I do some boating, but not on high-seas).
I think it's more a matter of firearms being (for the most part) illegal in either the port of departure or arrival.

[KC2UGV]

I think it's more a matter of firearms being (for the most part) illegal in either the port of departure or arrival.

Well that ain't it, since the most common ports of call allow firearms.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2009/04/12/untold-stories-about-somalia-pirates-european-ships-dump-nuclear-waste-into-somalia-ocean/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_centrifuge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb
If needed, I can do cartoon panels with step by step directions.

[KG4CGC]

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