1913 Harley Davidson

[w2amr]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=5734912

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

I had the updated version of that thing, an Angel moped!
Electric lights and a few other changes, but the basic concept is the same.
In fact when the modern spigot valves gave out I replaced them with brass petcocks.
The bootboard idea is cool!
Mine was equipped with the type VS radio and not a second seat, in fact I bought it more for the radio than the bike and just decided to get the bike going along with the radio.

[W7XF]

OMG!!!! That is freekin amazing.... and it still runs and drives!!!!! I'd venture a guess as to it's worth 7 figures.

[N8YX]

I have a friend who owns and rides a 1915 J-model.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

My moped looked a lot like this motorcycle for good reason, it was a copy of same.
http://archive.izhmoto.ru/eng/
http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/ENGLISH-automotorusse9Moto(izh).htm
Nothing like the Russians to produce a copy, of just about everything!
Want a real nice 1911a1 copy? the Russians were provided with tooling to produce the things but decided against it when the cold war started.
Now they are back at it again.

[suddenseer]

Awesome. I can't believe the original condition. I wonder how it was stored. I don't see this every day.

[NQ6U]

I call bullshit. You can tell it's not a real Harley--there's no puddle of oil underneath the engine.

[W3MIV]

I wonder how it was stored.

I can answer that.

[KG4CGC]

I can answer that.
Excellent!

[w6tmi]

Runs better then modern Harleys

[w2amr]

Sorry guys, I'm not biting.:-P

[KA5PIU]

Runs better then modern Harleys

Hello.

Runs better than AMF hardleys. ;)
The trouble with the Harley is that in the relentless pursuit of ever more power the basic design limits are being exceeded.
It is no different than an automoblie engine, bring the compression up and it will vibrate more.
The basic Harley engine design is valid, and runs smooth at around 45 CI.
But when you try and get 200+ CI out of the design, and expect it to fit in a motorcycle frame, things tend to shake.

[w2amr]

Jeez louise:bs: I owned 3 AMF Sportsters. They all ran good. The problem with Harley when owned by AMF was quality control.

[w2amr]

Hello.

It is no different than an automoblie engine, bring the compression up and it will vibrate more.

More :bs: Increasing an engines compression ratio will NOT make it vibrate more while it is running. Damn Rudy, where do you come up with this shit?

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

Reread that, 200 cubic inch motorcycle engine, automobile engine. ;)
http://www.bosshoss.com/
But, the 45 CI engine runs with far less vibration at low RPM and with less compression, it is just the nature of the flathead design.
You really have to be on top of bikes to keep up with me, I ride nearly every day, and I do not mean rolling it on a trailer.
Both the Servicar and Duoglide are up and running.
I frequently show up for work and roll my bike on the lowboy after loading a dozer or loader and go off to the job site.
Once done for the day I ride home and load it on my work truck.
The only reason I bring the work truck is that I have to set up the base for laser or GPS for finish work and that will not fit on the bike. ;)
Remember, I hold 2 jobs, the now very slow construction, and translator.

[w2amr]

Hello.

Reread that, 200 cubic inch motorcycle engine, automobile engine. ;)
http://www.bosshoss.com/
But, the 45 CI engine runs with far less vibration at low RPM and with less compression, it is just the nature of the flathead design.
You really have to be on top of bikes to keep up with me, I ride nearly every day, and I do not mean rolling it on a trailer.
Both the Servicar and Duoglide are up and running.
I frequently show up for work and roll my bike on the lowboy after loading a dozer or loader and go off to the job site.
Once done for the day I ride home and load it on my work truck.
The only reason I bring the work truck is that I have to set up the base for laser or GPS for finish work and that will not fit on the bike. ;)
Remember, I hold 2 jobs, the now very slow construction, and translator.

Not a clue.:chin:

[KA5PIU]

Not a clue.:chin:

Hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flathead_engine

[w2amr]

Hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flathead_engineYeah, Rudy I know what a flathead engine is. I'm just not sure about the rest of the post.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

Fact of the matter is that a flathead engine runs with less vibration.
The primary reason is that there is less mass moving.
But, the counterweights are far more in balance with the engine, and, if ball bearings are added to the crankshaft, an easy way to deal with an oversize bore, the entire assembly runs smoother, an idea stolen from BMW. ;)
Drill out the transmission housing and add a pulley assembly to run an alternator and flywheel and you get rid of the accessory load vibration, done correctly and it is not visible.
Replace the magneto with an updated slick mag and the clicking is gone as well as more fire on start.
A small section of Versatube from the downpipe to a regular automobile exhaust and muffler and you will have a quiet bike indeed.
The Servicar was intended to be pulled behind an automobile so a front hitch is not only not unusual, it was offered from the factory.
A few other changes, such as dual headlight with halogen/HID, dual taillights and turn indicator, 12/24 volt electrics,(signal corps) and putting the battery in the big box.
The other bike has a mating sidecar I add in inclement weather.
Both bikes are equipped with crash bars and light sticks.
I only run with the Blue Knights if I even run pack.

[w2amr]

Hello.

Fact of the matter is that a flathead engine runs with less vibration.
The primary reason is that there is less mass moving.
.
Even More :bs:
If the mass is in balance , it doesn't matter how much of it there is.
I have seen overhead valve inline 6's and V-8's that ran just as smooth as a flathead V-8 Ford.
According to your reasoning a 5 HP B&S lawn mower engine should be smooth as glass, it isn't.

[WA4TM]

The bulls**t is getting deep in here!!!!!!!!:stickpoke:


Get him George!!!!!!!:lol:

[w2amr]

The bulls**t is getting deep in here!!!!!!!!:stickpoke:


Get him George!!!!!!!:lol:
No, I've had enough.:hand: He wins.

[WX7P]

No, I've had enough.:hand: He wins.

Don't go away until Monday night. The place I work now has a restored 1923 HD in the lobby that doesn't look a hell of lot different than the 1916 pictured.

I'll post a bunch of photos. Maybe you guys can tell me what the differences are. I think the company has it labeled wrong as the bike looks older than 1923.

[NQ6U]

Hello.

My moped looked a lot like this motorcycle for good reason, it was a copy of same.
http://archive.izhmoto.ru/eng/
http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/ENGLISH-automotorusse9Moto(izh).htm
Nothing like the Russians to produce a copy, of just about everything!
Want a real nice 1911a1 copy? the Russians were provided with tooling to produce the things but decided against it when the cold war started.
Now they are back at it again.

I love it when Rudy makes outrageous claims and includes links that that don't back them up at all. I guess he figures we won't bother to check.

[KA5PIU]

Hello.

Actually if you read the link you will find that they did indeed copy the early Harley V twin, to a degree.
In fact even now you may buy the Ural, a copy of an early BMW motorcycle.
But, back to the topic at hand.
"NATI-A 750", a 750 cc., V-twin copied from American models (Indian and Harley Davidson), with stamped-foil frame; the man in the pic is the engineer P.V. Mozharov.
http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/ENGLISH-automotorusse9Moto(izh).htm
Note that I never said it was a Harley, just that it sort of looked like it shared something with this one, and it did, parts were a direct copy.
http://www.imz-ural.com/
I think that a classic design is just that, classic.
The early Vespa is nice and some of the newer ones are appealing also.
This is cute but not quite big enough.
http://www.whizzermotorbike.com/
But, bottom line is that I am totally unimpressed by cheap copies, and that is all the Soviets did, took an original idea and copied it.
Can you still find the Angel? good god, there must have been a billion of them in East Germany!
Now there are real cars and not the Soviet era chit.

[w2amr]

Don't go away until Monday night. The place I work now has a restored 1923 HD in the lobby that doesn't look a hell of lot different than the 1916 pictured.

I'll post a bunch of photos. Maybe you guys can tell me what the differences are. I think the company has it labeled wrong as the bike looks older than 1923.

I would like to see it Dave. I'll just put my waders on and hang out here for a bit longer.

[W3MIV]

I would like to see it Dave. I'll just put my waders on and hang out here for a bit longer.

Don't forget the face mask and goggles. Shit sprays.

[w2amr]

Don't forget the face mask and goggles. Shit sprays. If it continues like this I'll need scuba gear.