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KC2UGV
09-30-2010, 03:11 PM
For those folks out there with access to Saranac's line, I tried their Pumpkin Ale this past weekend.

Definitley taste the pumpkin. Surprisingly, nice head, and great malt taste. No bitterness that I detected either.

My first sip said,"My god! This is pumpkin in a bottle." The finish was much smoother, and not so "pumpkin", the other flavors tended to come out as well.

I'm not big on their other brews, but this one was two thumbs up from me.
KG4CGC
09-30-2010, 03:34 PM
sounds like a nice seasonal that one might enjoy one of in front of the fireplace.

Here is one to stay far far away from, Yuengling Porter (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/182/921). Good $*^#!*& %^&! This brew is total shit in a bottle! How do you screw up a PORTER?
K7SGJ
09-30-2010, 04:17 PM
sounds like a nice seasonal that one might enjoy one of in front of the fireplace.

Here is one to stay far far away from, Yuengling Porter (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/182/921). Good $*^#!*& %^&! This brew is total shit in a bottle! How do you screw up a PORTER?

Push him off the train.
KG4CGC
09-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Push him off the train.
Whilst traversing a one thousand foot high trestle?
al2n
09-30-2010, 08:36 PM
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. :yuck:

An insult to wheat and cherries everywhere.
KG4CGC
09-30-2010, 09:04 PM
I've never had a cherry wheat beer that was appealing by any brewer.
NQ6U
09-30-2010, 09:08 PM
I'll stick to my guns on this topic: beer should contain nothing but barley, hops, yeast and water. Any additions to or subtractions from that list is an abomination in the eyes of the LORD.

Hock, patooie.
al2n
09-30-2010, 09:10 PM
Wheat, rye and oats are acceptable in beer.
NQ6U
09-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Wheat, rye and oats are acceptable in beer.

In your beer perhaps. Not mine.
KC2UGV
10-01-2010, 09:40 AM
I'll stick to my guns on this topic: beer should contain nothing but barley, hops, yeast and water. Any additions to or subtractions from that list is an abomination in the eyes of the LORD.

Hock, patooie.

You need to check out craft breweries... It will make you change your mind. If you are ever in WNY, stop by Flying Bison Brewing and get a sample of their Oatmeal Stout. Or, Buffalo Brew Pub, and sample their lines there :)
KC2UGV
10-01-2010, 09:44 AM
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. :yuck:

An insult to wheat and cherries everywhere.

I tried that one, and I seemed to like it. It's possible the shipping process has something left to be desired in this case. The Sam Adams I get is no older than 2 days old.

Oddly, it gave my sister in law a flushed face effect (Similar to what happened when she drank Black Cherry Svedka). Not sure why...
WX7P
10-01-2010, 11:58 AM
I prefer this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lQMyCUAj0
NQ6U
10-01-2010, 12:05 PM
I've checked out plenty of craft breweries; I didn't come to my opinion on beer lightly. I just feel that the extra ingredients don't add anything to beer and, in fact, change it into something else entirely. Real beer should be brewed according to the dictates of the Reinheitsgebot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot). Anything that doesn't isn't beer. Just my two cents.
W3MIV
10-01-2010, 12:27 PM
I've checked out plenty of craft breweries; I didn't come to my opinion on beer lightly. I just feel that the extra ingredients don't add anything to beer and, in fact, change it into something else entirely. Real beer should be brewed according to the dictates of the Reinheitsgebot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot). Anything that doesn't isn't beer. Just my two cents.

I agree. I also believe that ale is unfinished beer. OK if you like it raw, but give me a lager any day. :yum:
KG4CGC
10-01-2010, 02:06 PM
OK if you like it raw
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/001/Tronya_Laugh.gif
n4aud
10-01-2010, 04:44 PM
The difference between ale and lagers has nothing to do with finishing. Ale is fermented at higher temperatures than lager. Lager is fermented for a much longer period of time at cooler temperatures. Lagers require much more complex equipment for brewers unless they have access to a natural cave. Most don't, so some sort of cooled space must be provided that is large enough to contain the fermentation vessels. That's the biggest reason you don't see lagers from home brewers like me or from craft/micro breweries. Ales are much simpler to deal with for small scale brewers with small scale budgets.
Ales ferment at the TOP of the vessel while lagers ferment at the BOTTOM. That's one reason there are different strains of yeast for ale, lager, wines, etc.
Link:
http://www.realbeer.com/library/beerbreak/archives/beerbreak20001130.php
n4aud
10-01-2010, 04:53 PM
Saranac has a "variety" six pack that has some excellent beers in it BTW.
kc7jty
10-01-2010, 07:07 PM
I'll stick to my guns on this topic: beer should contain nothing but barley, hops, yeast and water. Any additions to or subtractions from that list is an abomination in the eyes of the LORD.

Hock, patooie.

I used to feel that way too.
kc7jty
10-01-2010, 07:10 PM
I've checked out plenty of craft breweries; I didn't come to my opinion on beer lightly. I just feel that the extra ingredients don't add anything to beer and, in fact, change it into something else entirely. Real beer should be brewed according to the dictates of the Reinheitsgebot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot). Anything that doesn't isn't beer. Just my two cents.

Big flap over that on RateBeer right now.
NQ6U
10-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Big flap over that on RateBeer right now.

I'll give in to the modern German version of the Reinheitsgebot on one thing: it's okay to use a bit of sugar in the bottle when a beer is carbonated using the krausening process.
kc7jty
10-01-2010, 11:38 PM
It's all about quality. I don't care the ingredients, it's the finished product.
W3MIV
10-02-2010, 06:11 AM
I don't care the ingredients...

Doesn't sound like the Billhelm we've all come to know and love.

What have you done with BILL?
NQ6U
10-02-2010, 06:35 AM
It's all about quality. I don't care the ingredients, it's the finished product.

By all means, drink whatever it is that pleases you and makes you a happy camper. Just don't call it "beer" if it's got rye or fruit flavorings in it.
KG4CGC
10-02-2010, 09:00 AM
Things that pass for coffee. There's a whole nuther topic.
kc7jty
10-02-2010, 01:00 PM
"Beer" covers it all, even that shit called Budweiser is beer.
W3MIV
10-02-2010, 10:05 PM
"Beer" covers it all, even that shit called Budweiser is beer.

Nah. Bud is pre-owned beer. Beer that has been biologically processed and returned to nature.
NQ6U
10-02-2010, 10:08 PM
"Beer" covers it all, even that shit called Budweiser is beer.

Not everywhere. In Germany, for instance, you wouldn't be allowed to call Budweiser "beer."
al2n
10-02-2010, 10:12 PM
With the amount of rice and corn in Bud and Miller, they are more of a sake than a beer.

No offense meant to sake.
n2ize
10-05-2010, 10:48 AM
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. :yuck:

An insult to wheat and cherries everywhere.

Reminds me of "Cherry pipe tobacco". Any "cherry flavoured" pipe tobacco I ever tried was horrid.
al2n
10-05-2010, 11:15 AM
Reminds me of "Cherry pipe tobacco". Any "cherry flavoured" pipe tobacco I ever tried was horrid.

I hear ya there. Never found a cherry tobacco that was worth anything other than mulch.

I have tried some nice cherry wheat beers before, but for some reason the Sam Adams just did not taste very good to me. What is worse is that I bought a 6 pack and had to choke down all of them.