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n2ize
09-10-2010, 04:45 PM
I have a theory. It goes like this. In order to be a true artist of great stature and quality you have to be a liberal left winger. It is impossible for conservatives to really excel in the arts because they tend to lack the sense of human compassion and deep feeling that those on the left can. We repeatedly see the insensitivity in conservatives, woith respect to war, with respect to other cultures, with respect to the poor, the downtrodden, with respect to their disdain for intellectuals, socialists, communists, anarchists and other peoples of passion. Such insensitivities block the deep rooted sense of creativity needed for one to excel in the arts. Which is why I feel the arts are a realm in which the greater degree of excellence and feeling come from the liberal side as opposed to the conservative side.
Well, there was the poet Ezra Pound, a profound anti-semite and supporter of European fascism. And don't forget Richard Wagner, either.
But, for the most part, art is a direct threat to conservatism.
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 05:12 PM
But, for the most part, art is a direct threat to conservatism.
Human existence is a direct threat to conservatism!
Human existence is a direct threat to conservatism!
Any sentient being is a direct threat to conservatism.
WØTKX
09-10-2010, 05:32 PM
But, don't you understand?
There is great romance in the shedding of passion and... wtf, no WHIMS?
:yuck:
Man’s need of precise definitions rests on the Law of Identity: A is A, a thing is itself. A work of art is a specific entity which possesses a specific nature. If it does not, it is not a work of art. If it is merely a material object, it belongs to some category of material objects—and if it does not belong to any particular category, it belongs to the one reserved for such phenomena: junk.
“Something made by an artist” is not a definition of art. A beard and a vacant stare are not the defining characteristics of an artist.
“Something in a frame hung on a wall” is not a definition of painting.
“Something with a number of pages in a binding” is not a definition of literature.
“Something piled together” is not a definition of sculpture.
“Something made of sounds produced by anything” is not a definition of music.
“Something glued on a flat surface” is not a definition of any art.There is no art that uses glue as a medium. Blades of grass glued on a sheet of paper to represent grass might be good occupational therapy for retarded children—though I doubt it—but it is not art.
“Because I felt like it” is not a definition or validation of anything.
There is no place for whim in any human activity—if it is to be regarded as human. There is no place for the unknowable, the unintelligible, the undefinable, the non-objective in any human product. This side of an insane asylum, the actions of a human being are motivated by a conscious purpose; when they are not, they are of no interest to anyone outside a psychotherapist’s office. And when the practitioners of modern art declare that they don’t know what they are doing or what makes them do it, we should take their word for it and give them no further consideration.
Excerpt from "Art and Cognition",The Romantic Manifesto, by Ayn Rand (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/modern_art.html)
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz79/gyrogeerloose/im_art.jpg
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 05:46 PM
Here's the thing, conservatives want to use art to promote a product or an agenda. They don't want to pay for it though. They think anyone can do it. They think, "It's just drawing. I let you do to help out your portfolio. Otherwise, my 12 year old niece could have done the same thing for free and she would have been happy to do it."
Conservatives are generally idiots when it comes to anything that doesn't deal with how will it make them wealthier. When it comes to making money for themselves, they'll screw their own grandmother in the butt.
Ugly picture, isn't it? All the hyperbole about virtue is just an act to rationalize their treatment of others. They also believe that their philanthropy absolves them of their sins.
Why are they like this? Arrogance and self loathing.
WØTKX
09-10-2010, 05:49 PM
creativity is spookiness...
More of Ayn Rand on modern art:
As a re-creation of reality, a work of art has to be representational; its freedom of stylization is limited by the requirement of intelligibility; if it does not present an intelligible subject, it ceases to be art.
So, according to her, non-representational art isn't art at all, which means she's excluding most of the art created in the first half of the 20th century. What that really comes down to is "if I don't understand it, it's not art." Sounds like the typical conservative view on not only art but almost everything else.
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 06:01 PM
creativity is spookiness...
Exactly! This is why they treat women as second class citizens. They can produce a life! "OMG! We must control that!"
WØTKX
09-10-2010, 06:03 PM
That's OK, she doesn't grok the amusements found in "zero" either. Clouds are clouds, never elephants or angels. Booooooring!
Exactly! This is why they treat women as second class citizens. They can produce a life! "OMG! We must control that!"
Or, perhaps: "They can produce a life! OMG! We can't control that!"
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Or, perhaps: "They can produce a life! OMG! We can't control that!"
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KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 06:23 PM
And for my gratuitous jab at Conservative Thought:
You're welcome.
That's OK, she doesn't grok the amusements found in "zero" either. Clouds are clouds, never elephants or angels. Booooooring!
No chit. Consider her world: no Gauguin, no Seurat, no van Gogh, no Cézanne, no Picasso, no Mondrian, no Pollock, no de Kooning. And those are just the ones I can come up with off the top of my half-assed recovering art major head.
What a bleak place she inhabited. I'd actually feel sorry for her except I know she did not miss them and was happy in her narrow little world. Apparently for her, ignorance truly was bliss, but I suppose you could say that about most extreme right-wing types in any case.
kc7jty
09-10-2010, 06:29 PM
But, don't you understand?
There is great romance in the shedding of passion and... wtf, no WHIMS?
:yuck:
No wonder these people are going to heaven. Their lives are so dry and stiff they must have a reason to stay alive.
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 06:30 PM
What a bleak place she inhabited.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/Gold%20Bug/ayn-rand-cigarette.jpg
kc7jty
09-10-2010, 06:37 PM
Bot like Nazi type. They take enormous pride in their superiority, their mechanical industriousness, and the condemnation of those not worthy to occupy the same world.
kf0rt
09-10-2010, 06:48 PM
Meh... Stereotypical boilerplate. You CAN listen to Rush in the afternoon, go to a world-class play that same evening with no ulterior motives beyond beyond enjoying the art, and still be a conservative. I've seen it done!
But, as stereotypes go, this is pretty well on target.
Meh... Stereotypical boilerplate. You CAN listen to Rush in the afternoon, go to a world-class play that same evening with no ulterior motives beyond beyond enjoying the art, and still be a conservative. I've seen it done!
Norton Simon (http://www.nortonsimon.org/) comes immediately to mind.
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 06:56 PM
Meh... Stereotypical boilerplate. You CAN listen to Rush in the afternoon, go to a world-class play that same evening with no ulterior motives beyond beyond enjoying the art, and still be a conservative. I've seen it done!
But, as stereotypes go, this is pretty well on target.
See that? Pay careful attention. Anything unusual could be a glitch in the matrix. Sometimes it's like a reset but other times it means they're getting ready to do something. Something awful.
kf0rt
09-10-2010, 07:10 PM
See that? Pay careful attention. Anything unusual could be a glitch in the matrix. Sometimes it's like a reset but other times it means they're getting ready to do something. Something awful.
You mean, like... Buy more magazine subscriptions?
KG4CGC
09-10-2010, 07:14 PM
You mean, like... Buy more magazine subscriptions?
Ooo. Yeah. Didn't think about that.
n2ize
09-10-2010, 07:25 PM
More of Ayn Rand on modern art:
So, according to her, non-representational art isn't art at all, which means she's excluding most of the art created in the first half of the 20th century. What that really comes down to is "if I don't understand it, it's not art." Sounds like the typical conservative view on not only art but almost everything else.
I was never impressed with Ayn Rand.
WØTKX
09-10-2010, 07:30 PM
Oh, the Libertarian party started getting all riled up early on... Anthem and We the People wasn't too bad. But the other stuff... well it's not human.
Besides, Ayn never made cookies... :snicker:
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6800000/The-Oracle-the-matrix-6856144-350-307.jpg
You really want to confuse them? Post this. It seems to bring a glimmer of recognition to their faces. Maybe it's too close to home?
http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewh0jm.jpg
WØTKX
09-11-2010, 06:53 AM
Nice err... smile?
kc7jty
09-11-2010, 01:43 PM
Rand's name was Rosenbaum before it somehow got mysteriously lost.
WØTKX
09-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Conspiracy net on 28.666!
Conservative Art in it's renaissance....
http://i52.tinypic.com/bhwyag.jpg
Here's some real conservative art (http://schikelgruber.net/artists2.html):
http://schikelgruber.net/images/triumphmunich.jpghttp://schikelgruber.net/images/cartepostah4.JPG
http://schikelgruber.net/images/berchtesgrd3.jpghttp://schikelgruber.net/images/berghofahaq.jpg
All done by Adolph Schikelgruber himself. Shows you what a frustrated artist can become.
There's always this instant classic:
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pics/HitlerKnight.jpg
Good catch Carl! Notice there's nobody in his pictures? I think he knew exactly what he wanted. A world devoid of anyone else but him. And maybe a million blonde bimbos...
More of A. Schikelgruber who flunked art school but managed to become a head of state... and ultimately flunked that too. Nothing like being ignorant of your limitations, but persevering perversely. Much like his counterparts today.
http://news-antique.com/primages/1/painting.jpg
n2ize
09-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Conservative Art in it's renaissance....
http://i52.tinypic.com/bhwyag.jpg
What garbage. Shows what trash conservative (losers) are capable of... sheet !!
n2ize
09-11-2010, 10:15 PM
There's always this instant classic:
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pics/HitlerKnight.jpg
Good catch Carl! Notice there's nobody in his pictures? I think he knew exactly what he wanted. A world devoid of anyone else but him. And maybe a million blonde bimbos...
More of A. Schikelgruber who flunked art school but managed to become a head of state... and ultimately flunked that too. Nothing like being ignorant of your limitations, but persevering perversely. Much like his counterparts today.
http://news-antique.com/primages/1/painting.jpg
More conservative slob art. Notice the lack of feeling in it. Even when they are trying to depict their beloved fuhrer , no feeling came thorough.
Notice there's nobody in his pictures? I think he knew exactly what he wanted. A world devoid of anyone else but him. And maybe a million blonde bimbos...
I've always kind of wondered about that. But, except maybe for the blonde bimbo part (what guy wouldn't want that?) I think it more likely that he--much in the same way as someone with Asperger's Syndrome--just wasn't interested in people. Then again, when you're studying art, drawing people is one of the hardest things to learn and Schickelgruber was self-taught.
More of A. Schikelgruber who flunked art school but managed to become a head of state... and ultimately flunked that too. Nothing like being ignorant of your limitations, but persevering perversely. Much like his counterparts today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0
I've always kind of wondered about that. But, except maybe for the blonde bimbo part (what guy wouldn't want that?) I think it more likely that he, much in the same way as someone with Asperger's Syndrome, just wasn't interested in people. Then again, when you're studying art, drawing people is one of the hardest things to learn and Schickelgruber was self-taught.
What have we learned from this? ... If you're Polish and a conservative painter with Asperger's Syndrome comes along, RUN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpcOQ7HaB98
And if you're a Brit, don't take any parcels from DHL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IWL_CiKH7w
kc7jty
09-11-2010, 10:37 PM
http://schikelgruber.net/images/triumphmunich.jpg
except for the weird thingamebobs on the top of the arch why is this so horrible?
http://schikelgruber.net/images/berghofahaq.jpg
somewhat elementary and boring but shows some definite talent for a water color.
Brown candles?
kc7jty
09-11-2010, 10:46 PM
http://news-antique.com/primages/1/painting.jpg
AH did this!? Not bad at all and there is someone in it. Are you guys OK?
The dark spire in the back right looks out of place though.
http://news-antique.com/primages/1/painting.jpg
AH did this!? Not bad at all and there is someone in it. Are you guys OK?
Yep, knew you'd get it Bill. Actually there are always more people than he paints when he does paint them. It's a major reason why he became a wall paper hanger rather than a painter and why he flunked art.
Reminds me of what Poland would've been like had he been victorious. :scared:
He* decided to attend the prestigious Vienna Academy of Fine Arts. In October 1907, at age eighteen, he withdrew his inheritance money from the bank and went to live and study in Vienna. Hitler's mother was by now suffering from breast cancer and had been unsuccessfully operated on in January. But Hitler's driving ambition to be a great artist overcame his reluctance to leave her.
He took the two day entrance exam for the academy's school of painting. Confident and self assured, he awaited the result, quite sure he would get in. But failure struck him like a bolt of lightning. His test drawings were judged unsatisfactory and he was not admitted. Hitler was badly shaken by this rejection. He went back to the academy to get an explanation and was told his drawings showed a lack of talent for artistic painting, notably a lack of appreciation of the human form. He was told, however, that he had some ability for the field of architecture.
*Mr A Schickelgruber
Interestingly he spent a good portion of the rest of his life destroying much of what European Architects created.
dark spire in the back right looks out of place though.
Well, that in itself is pretty telling isn't it? Take that lance in the Knight picture and turn it vertically so it is point up...
kc7jty
09-11-2010, 11:03 PM
Rembrandt and Beethoven both died poor and in debt. Must be something going on here I'm not getting.
Rembrandt and Beethoven both died poor and in debt. Must be something going on here I'm getting.
It's called suffering for art. Many actors, painters and musicians go through the same today. Very common. It's why NHE didn't get into the deep end of drama despite being quite good.
I suppose that's why A. Schickelgruber went into the dictation business.
kc7jty
09-11-2010, 11:27 PM
I suppose that's why A. Schickelgruber went into the dictation business.
HAAH!
except for the weird thingamebobs on the top of the arch why is this so horrible?
It's not horrible. In fact from a purely technical standpoint, it's not bad at all. But the subject and composition are jejune to say the least. Look at that arch; think how monumental the thing must be in real life. Does that come through in the painting? Not at all.
somewhat elementary and boring but shows some definite talent for a water color.
Yeah, Schickelgruber wasn't a bad technician but he didn't have the eye of an true fine artist. He could have made a good illustrator or what they called a commercial artist back then and a graphic designer now.
kc7jty
09-12-2010, 02:26 AM
I thought you boys were just bashing him cause he was the fuhrer. Maybe he should have been a very successful artist? Might have saved a lot of people some grief.
I thought you boys were just bashing him cause he was the fuhrer. Maybe he should have been a very successful artist? Might have saved a lot of people some grief.
Somehow I don't think I could ever get used to a Starving Nazi Artists Sale...:muhahaha:
Somehow I don't think I could ever get used to a Starving Nazi Artists Sale...:muhahaha:
"Ve haff vays of making you get used to it..."
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