Cigarettes

[n2ize]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction. last time I smoked a cigarette I tried a Marlboro. I found the taste a bit too dry and diluted and the smoke wasn't very satisfying.

Years ago I tried smoking Camel unfiltered and they were truly good tasting and very satisfying. Pall Mall unfiltered was also satisfying but tasted too much like burning garbage. I am wondering if my best bet is still to go with Camel's unfiltered cigarettes.

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

[kc7jty]

Why pursue a girl who is known to have an incurable infectious disease? Pick one clean and free of defilement.

[W3MIV]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction. last time I smoked a cigarette I tried a Marlboro. I found the taste a bit too dry and diluted and the smoke wasn't very satisfying.

Years ago I tried smoking Camel unfiltered and they were truly good tasting and very satisfying. Pall Mall unfiltered was also satisfying but tasted too much like burning garbage. I am wondering if my best bet is still to go with Camel's unfiltered cigarettes.

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?


Old Gold Regulars, but, alas, they don't make 'em anymore. Dennis James is dead, too.

[N9FE]

You'll maybe want to try a good ceegar.

[WØTKX]

If you must smoke that worthless tobacco... English Ovals.

http://www.cigarettespedia.com/images/c/c3/English_ovals_selected_mild_blend_ks_20_b_usa.jpg

[M0GLO]

Lucky Strikes, only girly men smoke anything else.
You aren't a girly man now are ya boy?

[ki4itv]

Lucky Strikes, only girly men smoke anything else.
You aren't a girly man now are ya boy?
I certainly hope you change that avatar if you're going to insist upon spewing such testosterone laden manspeak. Laughed so hard it made my head hurt. ;)

[PA5COR]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

[WØTKX]

Just a man trapped in a lesbian's avatar. :mrgreen:

[WØTKX]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D


Does that mean you are man enough to stand up to these pesky Belgians? :mrgreen:

http://zapatopi.net/belgium/belgiummaplogo.png


Belgium is, and has always been, a leftist ruse; a device applied to propagate the Liberal agenda throughout the world. Hijacking a real country for this use would be difficult at best; the people living there wouldn't stand for it (i.e. the fall of communism.) Thus the idea to invent an imaginary country, insert it into the global consciousness through the perversion of history, and use it as a tool of manipulation was born.

^^^^ Some Real Funny Stuff right there... (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/)
( Copyright © 1997-2008 Lyle Zapato, All Rights Reserved, unless otherwise noted )

AND... John Stewart Hates Belgians! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=113626&title=intro-belgians)

[KG4CGC]

Chungwha and Double Happiness are two of my favorite imports.
Have you tried Benson and Hedges Deluxe in the flat box? Now that's a cigarette.
It is such a shame that Finas no longer exist. RJ Renolds put them out of business in the late 90's when they bombarded the Middle Eastern tobacco market with Joe Camel. Turkish Specials used to be fantastic but the FDA forced them to create an America Only version which is only a mere whisp of the original.
Past favorites have been Tekel (bought out)
Gauliose, all versions but now sadly diluted
Marshall & McGearty recently established in 2006 out of Chicago, very fine
Rothman
Players
Export A
Craven A (now diluted)
Bali Shag Golden is a bright Virginia for your injector
Three Castles another bright Virginia just slightly milder for the injector
and last but not least, Belomorkanal an honest to goodness Russian cigarette that is so hard to get now because you can't even get a single cigarette past customs. I've smoked three of them in the last 15 years.

Having said all that, you could always get a pack of Newports in the box now with 10% more cocaine.

[PA5COR]

We separated the Belgians in the 1850's

Kept the best part, the Netherlands :D




I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D


Does that mean you are man enough to stand up to these pesky Belgians? :mrgreen:

http://zapatopi.net/belgium/belgiummaplogo.png


Belgium is, and has always been, a leftist ruse; a device applied to propagate the Liberal agenda throughout the world. Hijacking a real country for this use would be difficult at best; the people living there wouldn't stand for it (i.e. the fall of communism.) Thus the idea to invent an imaginary country, insert it into the global consciousness through the perversion of history, and use it as a tool of manipulation was born.

^^^^ Some Real Funny Stuff right there... (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/)
( Copyright © 1997-2008 Lyle Zapato, All Rights Reserved, unless otherwise noted )

AND... John Stewart Hates Belgians! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=113626&title=intro-belgians)

[kq9j]

Basic full flavor in the box, $4.00 a pack at the local Auto Stop. Can't beat them.

No, I don't live in a trailer park.

[N2NH]

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

When I smoked, and that's been awhile, my favorites were Rothmann's. Not the Canadian ones, but the English ones. You can tell the difference by the package. The ones with American looking boxes are Canadian, and the flat boxes are British. Best tasting cigarettes I ever smoked. Dunhill's are okay, but a bit expensive.

American smokes? Winston's and if you want low tar, I found Parliament to be great. If you like Camels try Chesterfields too.

Mind you that was quite awhile ago, but some things don't change all that much.

[KG4CGC]

Right now I'm enjoying a du MAURIER light.
If this is their light just imagine what their regular would be like!
achee machee!

[n2ize]

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

When I smoked, and that's been awhile, my favorites were Rothmann's. Not the Canadian ones, but the English ones. You can tell the difference by the package. The ones with American looking boxes are Canadian, and the flat boxes are British. Best tasting cigarettes I ever smoked. Dunhill's are okay, but a bit expensive.

American smokes? Winston's and if you want low tar, I found Parliament to be great. If you like Camels try Chesterfields too.

Mind you that was quite awhile ago, but some things don't change all that much.

Since I rarely smoke I don't mind a high tar cigarette. I think I might try a pack of Chesterfields.

I have never tried Rothmans. I have smoked Davidoff's and Nat Shermans.

[W2IBC]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

+1 you just won the thread

[KB3LAZ]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

Yes but do you do it properly? Truly by hand or with one of those rolling devices? No cheating now.

[KB3LAZ]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction. last time I smoked a cigarette I tried a Marlboro. I found the taste a bit too dry and diluted and the smoke wasn't very satisfying.

Years ago I tried smoking Camel unfiltered and they were truly good tasting and very satisfying. Pall Mall unfiltered was also satisfying but tasted too much like burning garbage. I am wondering if my best bet is still to go with Camel's unfiltered cigarettes.

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

That is what I prefer but I smoke too much so I buy the cheap ciggs or I roll my own.

[KG4CGC]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction.
but I smoke too much so I buy the cheap ciggs or I roll my own.

If you're really down on your luck and you have a few filtered tubes and an injector, diving for shorts in your neighbors ashtray to load up an injector really makes for an interesting smoke.

[KB3LAZ]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction.
but I smoke too much so I buy the cheap ciggs or I roll my own.

If you're really down on your luck and you have a few filtered tubes and an injector, diving for shorts in your neighbors ashtray to load up an injector really makes for an interesting smoke.

Ewwww....I dont think so. I went to school with her and I know whats been in that mouth. :sick: She was such a sweet girl when we were younger then high school happened. Also the oxy has taken a hell of an effect on her.

Now back to smoking...When I roll ciggs, I do it by hand with just a paper. I dont have that device with the pre made tubes. This is my fave to roll......

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/ryocigarette_2042_1634106

[PA5COR]

Handrolled Samson for me.

Rizzla papers (red) or Mascotte.

Benson & Hedges gold pack when driving long distances

[M0GLO]

We separated the Belgians in the 1850's
Kept the best part, the Netherlands :D

You just might get Flanders back here if the King can't get a handle on his western province.

[PA5COR]

No thanks....
We already have 2 official languages here, Frisian where i live, based more to the English language, and Dutch.
We have no problems about that, but the Belgians have seen 40 years of language battles there Wallonie/Flanders... even some parts speak German..
No need for that here, and we then have to bail them out. :geek:

:D




We separated the Belgians in the 1850's
Kept the best part, the Netherlands :D

You just might get Flanders back here if the King can't get a handle on his western province.

[M0GLO]

Wow, I was just looking at Frisian, it looks like I could probably understand most of what you were saying without even knowing the language!

That Pier Gerlofs Donia fellow was crazed! Quite a path of destruction he left through his enemies. Beheading if you couldn't say bread butter and green cheese, I love that you've made him folk hero! :lol:


No thanks....
We already have 2 official languages here, Frisian where i live, based more to the English language, and Dutch.
We have no problems about that, but the Belgians have seen 40 years of language battles there Wallonie/Flanders... even some parts speak German..
No need for that here, and we then have to bail them out. :geek:

:D

[PA5COR]

Thanks for looking into our History ;)

The older Frisians are still a bit like that, we don't take sh*t from others.
He was very long in that time, but most frisians/dutch are long, i'm 2.07 meters long.

His sword ( Grutte Pier) is actually here in my hometowns Museum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia (long article).

The Romans never conquered Friesland, their armies were drowned or beaten by the bands of Frisians that knew the then open to sea land all to well.

Even the German occupation from 1940-1945 has many stories of "disappearing or "accidentally"drowned service personel :mrgreen:

Most jews were hidden here in farms and people's houses, and the underground was big here, helping downed pilots and crews back home.
Many Frisians paid with their life for that, beeing shot or executed later.
My family lost several members that way.

Driving through our province you will find many small monuments for the fallen resistance fighters shot at that spot.

Now, after 64 years without war here, even kids still ar reminded by their parents about the war, and who came to help.
Don't forget.

[N2NH]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

+1 you just won the thread

Tried that here for awhile. It was much cheaper, but I got sick of the cops stopping me and smelling the smoke, so I stopped.

Quit 22 Years ago on April Fool's Day. Best move I made, now that you can spend nearly $100/carton here. Mind you they want to raise it again.

[KG4CGC]

Pretty soon you'll have kids on bikes dealing black market tobacco in the city. Then the gangs will want in and take over causing more gang violence over what, tobacco?

[n2ize]

Every now and then I get the urge to smoke. What I am looking for is a cigarette that gives good taste and lasting satisfaction. last time I smoked a cigarette I tried a Marlboro. I found the taste a bit too dry and diluted and the smoke wasn't very satisfying.

Years ago I tried smoking Camel unfiltered and they were truly good tasting and very satisfying. Pall Mall unfiltered was also satisfying but tasted too much like burning garbage. I am wondering if my best bet is still to go with Camel's unfiltered cigarettes.

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

That is what I prefer but I smoke too much so I buy the cheap ciggs or I roll my own.

We used to roll our own cigs. But we never put tobacco in them. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :evil:

[KG4CGC]

We used to roll our own cigs. But we never put tobacco in them. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :evil:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/139904k3i7gtx3f1.gif

[N2NH]

Any recommendations ? What cigarette nowadays gives both great flavour and good lasting satisfaction ?

When I smoked, and that's been awhile, my favorites were Rothmann's. Not the Canadian ones, but the English ones. You can tell the difference by the package. The ones with American looking boxes are Canadian, and the flat boxes are British. Best tasting cigarettes I ever smoked. Dunhill's are okay, but a bit expensive.

American smokes? Winston's and if you want low tar, I found Parliament to be great. If you like Camels try Chesterfields too.

Mind you that was quite awhile ago, but some things don't change all that much.

Since I rarely smoke I don't mind a high tar cigarette. I think I might try a pack of Chesterfields.

I have never tried Rothmans. I have smoked Davidoff's and Nat Shermans.

As mentioned before, if you like high tar, English Ovals are good, as are Gaulois (pronounced Gal-Wazz - 150mg/cig) they're very strong - enough to get you high for a pack or two.

Here's what the English Rothmans look like:

[n4aud]

I used to smoke a couple or 3 packs a day but finally wised up and quit with the help of Chantix. I've been off the things for almost 2 years now (on second thought it won't be 2 years until October).
If there were cigarettes that weren't bad for you I'd still be smoking. I dream about smoking sometimes, and would love to smoke but I am addicted to the damn things and can't have just one. :cry:
I smoked Winstons for years, then started buying the cheaper brands when name brands got so expensive. I quit once for a few months, but started back and smoked more and more. I got to where I really didn't have much lung capacity, and knew I had to quit. I tried smoking cigars and pipes and rolling my own cigarettes to help cut down but it didn't work. The ones I rolled myself WERE the best IMHO, much better than factory made. I've tried imported and domestic cigarettes, and hand rolled were better but you do get some strange looks and unwanted attention with them.
Pretty soon cigarettes will be illegal anyway. Virginia, a tobacco state, just passed a no smoking law. The handwriting is on the wall, and the anti-smoking Nazis won't rest until you can't smoke anywhere. They've won the war, it's just a matter of time before tobacco is just a memory.

[WØTKX]

It's been almost 30 years since I've smoked those less than worthwhile cigarettes...

I was into these silly things for a "cheap domestic":

http://www.adclassix.com/images/67marlboromenthol.jpg

I couldn't wake up without my M&M's and a Dr. Pepper... :-?

[nx6d]

Congratulations on quitting, Audie. Nicotine is an evil master.

When I was in college, I used Copenhagen. By the time I quit, I was going through a can of that stuff a day. At 50 cents a can, it was no big deal. Now the stuff is almost $5 a can here in CA.

I quit because the inside of my mouth was getting raw and my stomach constantly was upset. It was upset if I didn't have the chew, but it was upset if I did. I quit cold turkey in May of 1981 and didn't really feel right for almost a year. No tobacco products for me.

As for the No Smoking laws, I think they're great. We've had them for restaurants in CA since the '80's and it's nice to have a meal in public without some schmoe blowing smoke all over the place.The law is widely violated in bars, but since I don't go to bars, I don't care. When I first took my daughter to Michigan in 2004, she was amazed people were smoking in the restaurant. Sheltered little lass...

[nx6d]

It's been almost 30 years since I've smoked those less than worthwhile cigarettes...

I was into these silly things for a "cheap domestic":

http://www.adclassix.com/images/67marlboromenthol.jpg

I couldn't wake up without my M&M's and a Dr. Pepper... :-?

Do people actually smoke Menthol Marlboros? When I worked at the 7-11 in high school, we NEVER sold any of those.

Fun little game for you convenience store workers. When the customer asks for "Marlboro" (which 90% of the customers do) give them the soft pack. Most will refuse it and ask for the "hard" pack. Heh, heh, heh...Nice marketing, Phillip Morris...

[WV6Z]

I admit these smell like dirty socks burning, if you are the recipient of the 2nd hand smoke, but, these have always been my favorite......

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd302/wv6z/Sobranie_black.jpg

.... don't taste like they did 35 years ago somehow, but still the best of the best and at less than $35 US per carton, they are a good deal as well.

[KG4CGC]

Great News! They're making Belomor Kanal (http://www.cheap-cig.com/product_info.php?cPath=98_99&products_id=774) in Amsterdam!

[rot]

http://www.cigarettetobacco.com/perique3.jpg
S.J and zig zag toobs here.
rot

[kq9j]

I used to smoke a couple or 3 packs a day but finally wised up and quit with the help of Chantix. I've been off the things for almost 2 years now (on second thought it won't be 2 years until October).

Pretty soon cigarettes will be illegal anyway. Virginia, a tobacco state, just passed a no smoking law. The handwriting is on the wall, and the anti-smoking Nazis won't rest until you can't smoke anywhere. They've won the war, it's just a matter of time before tobacco is just a memory.

Yeah, we all know how well prohibition works :)

Just another area for the smugglers to make a profit. Besides they will NEVER totally outlaw it. Too much tax money to be made. Too many profits for the pharmaceutical companies selling Chantix and the like. The big drug companies are the largest contributors to the anti-tobacco movement. Too much money to be made.

[KB3LAZ]

Nicotine is an evil master.



And I server it without contempt.

[AK7V]

Parliament Lights here. Quit for about 3 years but started up again a year ago. :quiet

[al2n]

If you want to try something satisfying and tasty, give cigars or a nice pipe a try.

Just pure tobacco flavor with none of the additives cigarette tobacco has in it.

Prince Albert, Carter Hall, are all good pipe tobacco blends that are pretty easy to find. The are often referred to as "drug store blends". If you want to try an aromatic blend there is Captain Black which is also easily found. You can visit a local cigar shop for more blends than you can shake a stick at. Pipes are also very economical. A pouch of pipe tobacco costs as much as a pack of cigs, but can last many times longer.

Cigars are similar. You can get the common stuff most anywhere and the "good" stuff at a cigar shop. More expensive though as a top shelf cigar can cost as much as a pack of cigs and only last an hour or so. But if you only smoke every now and then like I do, it is a treat to enjoy and not something you gotta have due to an addiction to nicotine.

[n2ize]

Congratulations on quitting, Audie. Nicotine is an evil master.

When I was in college, I used Copenhagen. By the time I quit, I was going through a can of that stuff a day. At 50 cents a can, it was no big deal. Now the stuff is almost $5 a can here in CA.

I quit because the inside of my mouth was getting raw and my stomach constantly was upset. It was upset if I didn't have the chew, but it was upset if I did. I quit cold turkey in May of 1981 and didn't really feel right for almost a year. No tobacco products for me.

I also used to chew tobacco. In the late 70's/early 80's I started chewing "Happy Day's" and "Skoal". Then, I started chewing regular chewing tobacco. For a while I chewed mostly Red Man, Beech-Nut, Union Station, and Levi Garret, and a few brands I can't remember. Then during the early 90's I went back to chewing Skoal Long Cut Mint or Cherry flavoured tobacco.

I also smoked pipes occasionally. I actually preferred chewing to smoking. I chewed through all the years I was in college and grad school.. I wasn''t a "heavy chewer", in that I chewed mainly when I was home and when I was busy studying or working. I rarely chewed when I went out anywhere.

During the mid 1990's I started reading about more and more cases of mouth cancer related to chewing tobacco. And every time I got a sore in my mouth I would get scared.
Finally, I said to myself, "if it worries you that much then why not simply quit". At that moment I threw away whatever chewing or smokeless tobacco I had left and I haven't chewed since. I do dream about chewing now and then but, I really don't miss it.

These days I might smoke an occasional pipe or a cigarette. But I am talking rarely. Like maybe once every few months, or even years.



As for the No Smoking laws, I think they're great. We've had them for restaurants in CA since the '80's and it's nice to have a meal in public without some schmoe blowing smoke all over the place.The law is widely violated in bars, but since I don't go to bars, I don't care. When I first took my daughter to Michigan in 2004, she was amazed people were smoking in the restaurant. Sheltered little lass...

I think smoking should be allowed in bars. And, as much as I think that a legal adult should be allowed to to drink or take drugs I also feel that an adult should be allowed to chose to smoke. However I agree with the laws banning smoking in public spaces. With the exception of bars I think smoking should be a no no in restaurants and other public venues. If a person wants to smoke...fine. Just don't force that smoke on others.

[KB3LAZ]

If you want to try something satisfying and tasty, give cigars or a nice pipe a try.

Just pure tobacco flavor with none of the additives cigarette tobacco has in it.

Prince Albert, Carter Hall, are all good pipe tobacco blends that are pretty easy to find. The are often referred to as "drug store blends". If you want to try an aromatic blend there is Captain Black which is also easily found. You can visit a local cigar shop for more blends than you can shake a stick at. Pipes are also very economical. A pouch of pipe tobacco costs as much as a pack of cigs, but can last many times longer.

Cigars are similar. You can get the common stuff most anywhere and the "good" stuff at a cigar shop. More expensive though as a top shelf cigar can cost as much as a pack of cigs and only last an hour or so. But if you only smoke every now and then like I do, it is a treat to enjoy and not something you gotta have due to an addiction to nicotine.

Why do you thing I cant afford good ciggs? I spend all of my money on cigars and pipe tobacco. :mrgreen: That reminds me, I need to check my C3H8O2 levels.

[W3MIV]

I think smoking should be allowed in bars.


I think smoking should be banned from any indoor activity that is open to the public, regardless of the inconvenience it causes.

I smoked for more years than I care to admit, and I smoked pipe, cigars and cigarettes. Cigars were always my favorites -- I would go through a box of fifty Upmann Maduro Demitasse in a week (or Natural Coronas if I could not get Maduro Demitasses -- I never could stand Claros in any way, shape or form). I also smoked a pipe, and had a "private" mix blended for me a Fader's in Baltimore. The cigarettes were only for smoking in areas where cigars or the pipe brought shoes, tomatos and dead cats flying toward me. And with cigarettes my preference was for an unfiltered regular -- either Lucky Strike or Camels. My fave was Old Gold regulars, but they stopped making them in the late 60s.

My reward? A major heart attack. Gratefully, God must have considered his options, negotiating with Satan, and neither one apparently wanted my company.

Stupid habit. Vicious addiction -- one of the hardest of all to kick and the easiest to deny.

[W2IBC]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

this, as i roll my own also

[W2IBC]

I think smoking should be allowed in bars.


I think smoking should be banned from any indoor activity that is open to the public, regardless of the inconvenience it causes.


no just no, it should be left for the business or building owner to decide

[n4aud]

I think smoking should be allowed in bars.


I think smoking should be banned from any indoor activity that is open to the public, regardless of the inconvenience it causes.


no just no, it should be left for the business or building owner to decide
I agree but that's not the way it's going to go.

[M0GLO]

http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2007/apr/images/06_0024.jpg

[KG4CGC]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/bebop5/396_1.jpg

[W3MIV]

no just no, it should be left for the business or building owner to decide

Following your reasoning, we should return to the days of Lochner and let the "business owner" decide everything and anything on the basis of his/her rights to "do as I damn please" and let the public take hind tit. After all, "if you don't like the way I do things, go elsewhere," right?

No right to join a union. No right of a minimum wage. No right of a limit to your work week. No right to a healthy environment at work or at play. Sweat shops during the day and smoke-filled barrooms at night.

You are a Republican?

[KB3LAZ]

no just no, it should be left for the business or building owner to decide

Following your reasoning, we should return to the days of Lochner and let the "business owner" decide everything and anything on the basis of his/her rights to "do as I damn please" and let the public take hind tit. After all, "if you don't like the way I do things, go elsewhere," right?

No right to join a union. No right of a minimum wage. No right of a limit to your work week. No right to a healthy environment at work or at play. Sweat shops during the day and smoke-filled barrooms at night.

You are a Republican?

Hey you nailed my thoughts. :lol:

[n2ize]

I roll my own

Wussies using pre rolled ciggies... :D

this, as i roll my own also

We always used to roll our own. But never tobacco. :mrgreen:

[W2IBC]

no just no, it should be left for the business or building owner to decide

Following your reasoning, we should return to the days of Lochner and let the "business owner" decide everything and anything on the basis of his/her rights to "do as I damn please" and let the public take hind tit. After all, "if you don't like the way I do things, go elsewhere," right?

No right to join a union. No right of a minimum wage. No right of a limit to your work week. No right to a healthy environment at work or at play. Sweat shops during the day and smoke-filled barrooms at night.

You are a Republican?

ok so, your all for killing people rights, i see. well i got a real good one since were on the topic of a healthy environment, lets ban ALL gas powered engines since they pollute and the pollution is killing me and everyone else, so we need to BAN all Cars/trucks/trains/Plaines/ships/Lawn mowers/weed eaters i mean lets be FAIR here, if smoking is to be banned, i want to see ALL gas powered engines BANNED, oh and them factory's that pollute, lets close them all down right now, since there killing people with pollution i mean shure it will suck, people would have to get off there fat asses and walk somewhere or ride a bicycle, but hey its creating a healthy environment right? so lets just go all out and everything the socialist government considers unhealthy needs to be banned. oh that might mean ham radio, the rf from your antenna might just cause someone harm, so it needs to be banned,

please, why don't you anti-smoking assholes go attack the alcoholics for once, since alcohol kills more people then any ciggie will. and to the anti-smoking laws, to hell with them, they can have my ciggie when the pry it from my cold dead hand.

[N7YA]

...i was with you until you said ban weedeaters!

You're out of your damn mind, son!! :evil:

[n4aud]

Businesses were already starting to go smoke-free here in Virginia on their own. The hotels I've had to stay at when I travel for work have been that way the past few years, which was a problem for the smokers like me. I've quit but this new law rubs me the wrong way. I don't like to be around cigarette smoke anymore but I would still rather have the decision made by the business owner and customers instead of the government.

[W3MIV]

ok so, your all for killing people rights, i see. well i got a real good one since were on the topic of a healthy environment, lets ban ALL gas powered engines since they pollute and the pollution is killing me and everyone else, so we need to BAN all Cars/trucks/trains/Plaines/ships/Lawn mowers/weed eaters i mean lets be FAIR here, if smoking is to be banned, i want to see ALL gas powered engines BANNED...

That's coming. But it is nothing short of silly to seek to compare vehicles powered by internal combustion engines with cigarettes. I hope you didn't sit up a while wracking your brain to come up with that comparison. Tobacco products are wholly useless and contribute nothing of value to anyone except the tobacco companies -- the remaining of which have been diversifying out of tobacco for decades as the numbers of addicts decreases. Only in Europe, especially in the East, is the market still worth the play.


... oh and them factory's that pollute, lets close them all down right now, since there killing people with pollution i mean shure it will suck, people would have to get off there fat asses and walk somewhere or ride a bicycle, but hey its creating a healthy environment right? so lets just go all out and everything the socialist government considers unhealthy needs to be banned. oh that might mean ham radio, the rf from your antenna might just cause someone harm, so it needs to be banned,

An even more ludicrous set of comparisons. And pollution from industry is being reduced, and those reductions will continue. As to those "fat asses," it would seem no more stupid to my mind for a man or woman to stuff themselves on fast food and sit in front of Fox TV with steadily widening buttocks and steadily narrowing arteries than it is to smoke.


...please, why don't you anti-smoking A**HOLES go attack the alcoholics for once, since alcohol kills more people then any ciggie will. and to the anti-smoking laws, to hell with them, they can have my ciggie when the pry it from my cold dead hand.

Alcohol in moderation kills no one, but many an innocent has died as a result of involuntarily inhaling tobacco smoke in the home or workplace. That is a documented fact. As to the cold, dead hand (probably with yellow-stained fingers), that, too, shall come to pass.

[W3MIV]

I've quit but this new law rubs me the wrong way. I don't like to be around cigarette smoke anymore but I would still rather have the decision made by the business owner and customers instead of the government.

And that only stalls the process of removing tobacco smoke from society. Why did you stop smoking, Audie? Was it not in recognition of the effects it was having (or would have) on your health? Did a doc recommend that you stop? Would your doc recommend you stop simply because he or she is a busybody dogooder?

The is a statistical link that shows that fewer people being exposed to smoke means fewer tobacco-related deaths and illnesses. Without legal mandates, the voluntary process costs lives that may be saved by shortening the time frame.

[M0GLO]

As to the cold, dead hand (probably with yellow-stained fingers), that, too, shall come to pass.
I was thinking the same thing.

[N7YA]

I saw that as well and figured, if nothing else, we would at least get a couple of jokes in there. :lol:

[al2n]

You are a Republican?

No, but I play one on TV. That is why I carry the Deficit Express Card.

http://blog.kir.com/archives/deficit_express_card.gif

[nx6d]

Businesses were already starting to go smoke-free here in Virginia on their own. The hotels I've had to stay at when I travel for work have been that way the past few years, which was a problem for the smokers like me. I've quit but this new law rubs me the wrong way. I don't like to be around cigarette smoke anymore but I would still rather have the decision made by the business owner and customers instead of the government.

Actually, I like the fact that I can go into a hotel room or rental car and not have it smell like an ashtray. I don't go to bars or casinos, so I don't care about those, but I like the fact that California has regulated indoor smoking.

When I worked for the St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance company in the '80's, we didn't have cubicles in our office, just open desks. The guy next to me chain smoked unfiltered Lucky Strikes all day long. Fortunately, I was a field rep, so I didn't have to deal with it every day, but having to come home when I was in the office smelling like smoke was not fun. In 1985, the law changed so no one could smoke inside. It was great! I didn't have to breath his second hand smoke or deal with the smell.

Smokers always talk about "rights". What about my right to not be poisoned by your filthy habit? Right on, State of California...

[W3MIV]

Right on, State of California...

Fortunately, anti-tobacco progress is reaching well beyond California. Of course, such enlightenment does not yet penetrate every benighted societal backwater in the nation, but eventually it will do so and the last vestiges of the empires of Philip Morris, P. Lorillard and the other heirs of nineteenth century freebooter capitalism, like the sixteenth century robber barons who were their ethical idols, will fall like so many ten pins in front of the roll of a national cry for a healthy environment in which to live and prosper.

[kd6nig]

Except for Indian Casinos.

You can still get a lungful in those......even in CA.

Its like a slap in the face when you walk into one.

[N9FE]

It's been almost 30 years since I've smoked those less than worthwhile cigarettes...

I was into these silly things for a "cheap domestic":

http://www.adclassix.com/images/67marlboromenthol.jpg

I couldn't wake up without my M&M's and a Dr. Pepper... :-? Hey i've been smoking greens since 1972. Still takes 24 or more hours to kill a pack..

[N7YA]

Just an FYI, many casinos here in Vegas are smoke-free, save for a few of the seedier ones. Almost all of the resturants here are smokeless as well...and you have to ask for a smoking room when you check in. They save a few for the addicts i guess.

I have yet to meet a smoker who staunchly defends it on the grounds of it being good for them. But then again, i also support someones right to kill themselves any way they see fit. I just dont want to smoke the damn things with them...they stink, and smokers stink too. May be good, decent people...but they smell like ass!

[KG4CGC]

Just an FYI, they smell like ass!
Haven't been near any ass lately I take it?

[N7YA]

Well, of course there are varying degrees of ass in which to partake...some ass, im certain, is not nearly as bad as some others. In this case, its the not so good ass.

[KG4CGC]

:D :lol:

[N9FE]

Now thats funny...

[n4aud]

I've quit but this new law rubs me the wrong way. I don't like to be around cigarette smoke anymore but I would still rather have the decision made by the business owner and customers instead of the government.

And that only stalls the process of removing tobacco smoke from society. Why did you stop smoking, Audie? Was it not in recognition of the effects it was having (or would have) on your health? Did a doc recommend that you stop? Would your doc recommend you stop simply because he or she is a busybody dogooder?

The is a statistical link that shows that fewer people being exposed to smoke means fewer tobacco-related deaths and illnesses. Without legal mandates, the voluntary process costs lives that may be saved by shortening the time frame.

Oh, I'm not going to defend smoking, not at all. I quit because I can't climb a hill without getting out of breath, but I still don't like the government making the decision for a property owner. I realize that it is not realistic to expect the government to NOT do that. I would just rather see businesses do it on their own, and I would like to see some businesses still be able to cater to people who DO smoke. I don't believe there is a RIGHT to smoke but I would like to see some choice left.

I still believe smoking is going to be so socially unacceptable that it will be made illegal. It is virtually so now in some places, and I don't buy the "there's too much money made with tobacco" argument. Look how much smoking bans have advanced in the past 30 years. Used to be people could light up pretty much anywhere. Not now.

[W3MIV]

I still believe smoking is going to be so socially unacceptable that it will be made illegal. It is virtually so now in some places, and I don't buy the "there's too much money made with tobacco" argument. Look how much smoking bans have advanced in the past 30 years. Used to be people could light up pretty much anywhere. Not now.

There is a bill now before Congress that will permit the FDA to regulate tobacco as a drug. It is sponsored by Ted Kennedy in the Senate and Henry Waxman in the House.

A Republican (what else?) Senator from NC threatens a filibuster in the Senate to stop the bill, which is opposed by Reynolds, which tobacco company probably has this Senator on its payroll.

[kq9j]

Our idiot governor wants to tack another .75 on a pack of smokes.

My question is, if the nanny-state succeeds in making tobacco illegal, who are they going to ass-rape for all that money?

Pay up, suckers. You've been had by one of the biggest crocks of crap in the storied history of scams. "Secondhand smoke" in the seediest of bars is still so far below the OSHA levels for all the chemicals and particulates that it isn't even significant.

What is sad is that radio amateurs, historically inquisitive and at least somewhat scientific in reasoning, fall for this garbage. It is not about health, it is political. The scientific method has been trashed and in it's place is a quasi-science called epidemiology that infers causality from the weakest association.

If you don't like smoking just say so. But don't try to support it with the mass-produced propaganda that passes for science these days. And the last thing we need is more damn government regulation of our private property and private lives. Prohibition failed with alcohol; it has created a monster with other drugs, and will not work with tobacco, either. Don't people ever learn?

[W3MIV]

Don't people ever learn?

Sure they learn. Many of them too late. Emphysema, lung cancer, lip cancer, throat cancer. All teachers in a harsh school, but the stupid will learn in no other.

[kq9j]

Don't people ever learn?

Sure they learn. Many of them too late. Emphysema, lung cancer, lip cancer, throat cancer. All teachers in a harsh school, but the stupid will learn in no other.

You truly ought to do some research on your own rather than repeating the warnings on the anti-tobacco ads.

The fact is that not one single actual death has ever been conclusively attributed to tobacco, unless that victim started a fire or was run over by a Marlboro truck.

Repeating something often enough, long enough, makes it true only to the lazy or gullible.

Here's something to get you started:

http://www.forces.org/Scientific_Portal/category.php?section=6

[W3MIV]

The fact is that not one single actual death has ever been conclusively attributed to tobacco, unless that victim started a fire or was run over by a Marlboro truck.

Sure. I believe you are correct. Not a single one. All that medical evidence and all those docs and researchers are probably being paid to lie by the chewing gum lobby or a consortium of zany old sunday-school teachers. Maybe it's a plot by the trial lawyers to get more contingent fees or a massive payola program by the ABA.

You might want to memorize a really SHORT prayer to wheeze at the end.

[n2ize]

Forces Org is a pro tobacco group. While is has not been conclusively shown that they actually accept money from the tobacco industry they have throughout the past held a close buddy-buddy partnership with the tobacco industry.

If you belive that the mainstream is exaggerating the statistics on smoking risks then I would advise examining the data for yourself, computing the increased probability of smoking related illness for yourself.

[n2ize]

Our idiot governor wants to tack another .75 on a pack of smokes.

My question is, if the nanny-state succeeds in making tobacco illegal, who are they going to ass-rape for all that money?

Pay up, suckers. You've been had by one of the biggest crocks of crap in the storied history of scams. "Secondhand smoke" in the seediest of bars is still so far below the OSHA levels for all the chemicals and particulates that it isn't even significant.

What is sad is that radio amateurs, historically inquisitive and at least somewhat scientific in reasoning, fall for this garbage. It is not about health, it is political. The scientific method has been trashed and in it's place is a quasi-science called epidemiology that infers causality from the weakest association.

If you don't like smoking just say so. But don't try to support it with the mass-produced propaganda that passes for science these days. And the last thing we need is more damn government regulation of our private property and private lives. Prohibition failed with alcohol; it has created a monster with other drugs, and will not work with tobacco, either. Don't people ever learn?

I agree to the extent that I don;t think making tobacco illegal is the right thing to do. I generally advocate for the LEGALIZATION of virtually all drugs that are now deemed illegal. That doesn;t mean that I believe that all drugs are good for you or that I believe that all drugs are harmless or that I think everyone should use them. I simply feel that an adult should have the right to chose what he or she does with their own body and, I also realize that prohibition has generally caused more harm than good and needs to give way to other policies.

That said I wouldn't argue that the science showing that smoking is harmful are bad science. Most of the studies and experiments are reproducible and quite bona fide in as far as good research practices are concerned. The reality is smoking is not healthy and the probability of risks of various smoking related disease does indeed increase over time in a manner significant enough to be a cause for concern.

That said, I myself may smoke an occaisional (rare) cigarette, cigar, or pipe. I may even chew a plug if someone offers me. But as long as I can help it I am not going to use tobacco on a regular or frequent basis. My health ain't worth the risk.

[kq9j]

Forces Org is a pro tobacco group. While is has not been conclusively shown that they actually accept money from the tobacco industry they have throughout the past held a close buddy-buddy partnership with the tobacco industry.

If you belive that the mainstream is exaggerating the statistics on smoking risks then I would advise examining the data for yourself, computing the increased probability of smoking related illness for yourself.

That work has already been done, by such entities as the World Health Organization and others, but that work has been quietly buried and replaced with other "evidence" which backs up the politically correct position.

That being said, if there is, as you say a buddy-buddy relationship which skews the research of Forces, how does that relationship discredit the evidence put forth from a pro-tobacco position, whilst the astronomical financial backing given to anti-smoking organizations by the pharmaceutical interests (ala Robert Wood Johnson Foundation) is not considered to "taint" that position?

I simply say that you cannot have it both ways and the link between tobacco and disease is not has solid as we have been led to believe - particularly in the "secondhand smoke" discussion.

[n4aud]

I can tell you that smoking gave me decreased lung capacity which has improved since I quit. I can tell you that my lungs don't wheeze when I am in bed anymore. I can tell you that I get over colds more quickly now and I have an increased sense of smell and taste. I have no way to measure how much my arteries have hardened or how much elasticity I've lost from my lungs. I'm sure there is some way to compare the number of non-smokers that die of lung cancer to smokers that do, and the same with heart disease.
I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

[kq9j]

I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

Obviously, it didn't kill you :)

[W3MIV]

...the link between tobacco and disease is not has solid as we have been led to believe - particularly in the "secondhand smoke" discussion.

Funny, that's very much like what they used to say about the relationship between sepsis and "germs." Illuminating how, for some, ignorance never dissipates.

[kq9j]

...the link between tobacco and disease is not has solid as we have been led to believe - particularly in the "secondhand smoke" discussion.

Funny, that's very much like what they used to say about the relationship between sepsis and "germs." Illuminating how, for some, ignorance never dissipates.

However, that link was proven by science. Real science that clearly demonstrates causality and can be replicated with 100% accuracy, not by taking surveys and asserting cause and effect where mere associations are touted as scientific certainty.

[N7YA]

I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

Obviously, it didn't kill you :)

....um, he quit.

[kq9j]

I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

Obviously, it didn't kill you :)

....um, he quit.

But someday he WILL die and because he smoked at one time, unless he happens to go down in a plane crash, his death will likely be one of those recorded as being caused by tobacco....that is how these "statistics" are calculated by those who put an agenda before scientific accuracy.

[W3MIV]

However, that link was proven by science. Real science that clearly demonstrates causality and can be replicated with 100% accuracy, not by taking surveys and asserting cause and effect where mere associations are touted as scientific certainty.

An astonishingly short-sighted and foolish comment. Not surprisingly, given the previous record.

The point to be made is that science progresses by a process, and that process very often includes statistical data as the earlier precursors of the sorts of research that you would accept as demonstrating unconditional causality. Even in the past, though the formalized methods of the statistician were only beginning, the growing awareness of relationships between infection and the various carriers of bacteria were at the root of the investigations, and consequent discoveries that proved conclusively the link of "germs" and sepsis.

That process is constantly moving forward with regard to tobacco, and your assertion betrays an ignorance of the current state of knowledge in those regards. When a statistical link is overwhelming, only the fool would doubt its meaning.

[kq9j]

That process is constantly moving forward with regard to tobacco, and your assertion betrays an ignorance of the current state of knowledge in those regards. When a statistical link is overwhelming, only the fool would doubt its meaning.

The problem Albi is that in regard to tobacco, the scientific process is no longer the basis for many of the outrageous claims that are being made regarding conditions being "caused" by smoking. The truth is that there is a increased incidence of certain conditions associated with long-term tobacco use. Not everyone succumbs to them, but they do exist.

The prostitution of science occurs when every new, outrageous claim linked by the most dubious evidence is treated as gospel truth, such as what has happened with the "secondhand smoke" scare.

Only the fool would take everything he is fed at face value and an independent assessment of the current state of knowledge in this area reveals many purported "facts" that are anything but.

[N7YA]

But someday he WILL die and because he smoked at one time, unless he happens to go down in a plane crash, his death will likely be one of those recorded as being caused by tobacco....that is how these "statistics" are calculated by those who put an agenda before scientific accuracy.


Ok, ok...you win...cigarettes are great! They are healthy and good for you and kids should start smoking because there is nothing wrong with them. There are NO adverse affects from smoking whatsoever, nothing at all, its all just a conspiracy by overly sensitive types who want to control everything....i still have yet to be convinced of this. Lung cancer doesnt just "happen" to people who dont work around insulation or chemicals...its also scientifically proven that theres a lot of crap in them thats not good for you.

I have never, in my entire life, seen a smoker defend cigarettes like this. Look, i dont believe that you should be forbidden to smoke in your home, in your car or in desiganated smoking areas, thats just my take on it...i was fine with the way it was. But i just dont buy the story that these things are good for you and are actually healthy. That is truly absurd to me....and the families of millions of dead former smokers. Myself being a member of one.

[n2ize]

That process is constantly moving forward with regard to tobacco, and your assertion betrays an ignorance of the current state of knowledge in those regards. When a statistical link is overwhelming, only the fool would doubt its meaning.

The problem Albi is that in regard to tobacco, the scientific process is no longer the basis for many of the outrageous claims that are being made regarding conditions being "caused" by smoking. The truth is that there is a increased incidence of certain conditions associated with long-term tobacco use. Not everyone succumbs to them, but they do exist.

The prostitution of science occurs when every new, outrageous claim linked by the most dubious evidence is treated as gospel truth, such as what has happened with the "secondhand smoke" scare.

Only the fool would take everything he is fed at face value and an independent assessment of the current state of knowledge in this area reveals many purported "facts" that are anything but.

Actually it's not a prostitution of science at all. And furthermore, the claims you made regarding the notion that everyone who dies from any cause will be listed as "caused by smoking" even if the death was caused by something else is false. I know it's false because I have worked directly with people who have done these analysis. The cause of death was given considerable weight and the probability that it was tobacco related was carefully determined. Individuals who died from car accidents, falls down stairs were excluded from the datasets. Even certain diseases that could be attributed tgo causes other than smoking were excluded and we still had quite excellent reproducablilty.

[kq9j]

Look, i dont believe that you should be forbidden to smoke in your home, in your car or in desiganated smoking areas, thats just my take on it...i was fine with the way it was.

And if everyone had this attitude, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, there are people who are not satisfied with this and will, at every opportunity, seek to control other people's lives and will go to the ends of the earth to do so.

Once having accomplished their goal with smokers, they shall move on to the next substance, habit, or behavior they deem "unfit" and will move against that group. All in the name of "Public Health" or "Public Good".

Won't that be a fun world to live in.

[N7YA]

Aside from our vast differences in opinion on the affects of smoking. On this particular subject, i couldnt agree more....if someone lights up, im not mad at them unless they are blowing that crap in my face on purpose, otherwise, i just stand upwind of them.

[n2ize]

Look, i dont believe that you should be forbidden to smoke in your home, in your car or in desiganated smoking areas, thats just my take on it...i was fine with the way it was.

And if everyone had this attitude, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, there are people who are not satisfied with this and will, at every opportunity, seek to control other people's lives and will go to the ends of the earth to do so.

Once having accomplished their goal with smokers, they shall move on to the next substance, habit, or behavior they deem "unfit" and will move against that group. All in the name of "Public Health" or "Public Good".

Won't that be a fun world to live in.

I largely agree with you. If someone wants to smoke in the privacy of their home, on their property, in their car, outdoors, then I have no problem, I am 100% AGAINST the banning of cigarettes. However, once they light up in a resturant, in the workplace, or in a confined public venue then it is another issue. At that point they are forcing other people to breathe their smoke. That is wrong for the same reason it would be wrong for me to carry a smouldering stick into a public venue.

So I agree. Smoke at home, in designated areas, smoke anywhere where others are not forced to breath in the smoke and everything is fine.

Banning smoking or banning tobacco ? No. We have enough things that are banned. besides, bans don;t work. All it does is create an illegal market for the banned merchandise. We've already done enough damage in that regard.

[n4aud]

I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

Obviously, it didn't kill you :)

No, it killed my father-in-law last April. Lung cancer.

[n2ize]

Think Of Pell Mell brand cigarettes. How is "Pall Mall" pronounced.

Many people call them "Paul Maul".

But the company, at least on their TV and radio ads, always pronounced it "Pell Mell".


As in "what cigarette filters farther ?... Pell Mell Gold 100's"

Since I grew up in the radio/tv ad era I call them "pell mell".

[kd6nig]

This morning on O & A they were talking about some company in AU that has a pack of cigs....50 to a pack.

So some people can still say they smoke a "pack a day" but really its 2.5.....

[W3MIV]

Since I grew up in the radio/tv ad era I call them "pell mell".

I call them "nails."

[n2ize]

I just found out that back in 1960 BelAir Menthol cigarettes actually came with Raleigh coupons. I'd like to smoke a BelAir right now

http://www.archive.org/details/mou03f00

Enjoy.

[W3MIV]

I just found out that back in 1960 BelAir Menthol cigarettes actually came with Raleigh coupons. I'd like to smoke a BelAir right now

http://www.archive.org/details/mou03f00

Enjoy.

That was the heyday of coupons and stamps. S&H and Merchants Green Stamps in the food stores, gas stations and more, coupons on cigarettes and on some grocery products.

Neither Raleigh nor BelAir were much in terms of smokes, however. The best of the lot back then was the Old Gold regular cigarette. I worked for P. Lorillard back in the sixties, and the Old Gold regular was one of the most expensive cigarettes to manufacture because of the tobaccos it contained. Ah, the memories of Dennis James and the dancing packs.

Lots of people never realized that a "king size" cigarette actually had the same amount, or even less, tobacco in it as a "regular." The kings were longer, but thinner.

[kf0rt]

I'm not a fan of these new laws but I can't believe anyone is defending smoking and saying it won't kill you. Blows my mind it does...

Obviously, it didn't kill you :)

No, it killed my father-in-law last April. Lung cancer.

A work buddy of mine died from "complications" just before Christmas. He had just finished his 1st 6 weeks of chemo/radiation and was recuperating but felt like crap. He was an old-salt Navy guy; smoked most of his life but quit 4-5 years ago. Cough never went away and it took him awhile to get to the doc about it. Anyway, a few days after the chemo, he went into the docs. Right there in the office, he started throwing up huge amounts of blood. Died before he hit the floor. They said his tumor was sitting right on a major artery and it exploded. His wife said later that she was glad that didn't happen at home (she was there at the time).

I haven't had any sort of tobacco in over a year now. I think I've finally gotten the hang of this "quitting" business.

[W3MIV]

I haven't had any sort of tobacco in over a year now. I think I've finally gotten the hang of this "quitting" business.

It ain't easy, Rob. I have been off the weed for about twelve years and I still find myself tempted, especially in a bar where cigars are favored.

If it hadn't been for the strong memory of being on the floor of my XYL's office with two firemen pounding on me, chucking nitroglycerin pills under my tongue and trying to strangle me with an oxygen mask, I might never have been able to quit.

:shock:

[kf0rt]

I haven't had any sort of tobacco in over a year now. I think I've finally gotten the hang of this "quitting" business.

It ain't easy, Rob. I have been off the weed for about twelve years and I still find myself tempted, especially in a bar where cigars are favored.

If it hadn't been for the strong memory of being on the floor of my XYL's office with two firemen pounding on me, chucking nitroglycerin pills under my tongue and trying to strangle me with an oxygen mask, I might never have been able to quit.

:shock:

True enough, Albert. Quitting isn't the hard part. The hard part is not starting up again.

[n4aud]

Amen to that! I enjoyed smoking. I dream about it, which I didn't do before I quit.

I quit in the fall, September or October, father-in-law had quit 4 or 5 years before. He found out about the cancer in Nov. or Dec. because of a cough that wouldn't go away. They were going to do surgery but he had a heart attack and was too weak they said. He did the chemo and radiation but to no avail.
He was unrecognizable at the funeral. I don't want to go through what he went through, and I don't want to do that to my wife.

[WV6Z]

The hard part is not starting up again.

truth

http://www.thetruth.com/

[n2ize]

I have the oppostite problem. I simply could never keep on smoking. I've smoked pipes, cigars, cigarettes but always only for a very short while. Without even thinking and without any effort I would just quit.

I did however chew tobacco for a number of years. I started with Skoal and Happy Days mint when I was in college. I also chewed red Man, Beech Nut, Wrigleys, Levi Garret, Union Station, Apple Jack for several years. Then I went to Skoal Bandits and Skoal Long Cut mint and cherry. It was cheap then. Then the price started going up and up and up and I started reading about illnesses associated with chewing tobacco. One day I got rid of it and stopped chewing tobacco. Haven't touched it since.

It's amazing how it gets to be a habit. You get used to chewing tobacco while you are doing something and next thing you want to have it every time you are doing that particular thing. In my case I loved to chew while studying.

What the ash tray is to the cigarette smoker the spittoon is the the tobacco chewer. I used to keep a spittoon in my room. I rarely chewed when I wasn;t home. But if I did chew when I was out I had to improvise on the spittoon. Paper or styrofoam coffee cups worked well. :mrgreen:

[M0GLO]

Ban em all and let God sort em out.

[W3MIV]

But if I did chew when I was out I had to improvise on the spittoon. Paper or styrofoam coffee cups worked well.

Yup. Long as you didn't forget which one was the coffee.

[kq9j]

Nothing quite like being at a party and taking a swing out of the can you THOUGHT was your beer to find that someone used it for a spittoon or an ashtray.

Another reason what little drinking I do is at home these days. The only foreign matter I have found lately is the fingernail in the box of Wheat Thins. Yummy!

[N7YA]

That brings shivers to me spine!

I got my first tast of the rich, full bodied flavor of menthol when i was 5....of course, it was also blended in with the smooth, refreshing taste of flat Pepsi and ashes. My mom didnt catch me in time to stop me, but she sure had the next ten minutes free to laugh her arse off. :roll:

The singer in my band quit smoking and switched to chewing...now he walks around the venues and on stage with a little bottle full of brown slime, or the more prefered, cup with a napkin stuffed in it. Either way, im not thinking of dinner when he dropping that spunk into those clear plastic bottles....and his girlfriend is hot too!!! :doh:

[KG4CGC]

Another reason what little drinking I do is at home these days. The only foreign matter I have found lately is the fingernail in the box of Wheat Thins. Yummy!
Same exact reason it is advisable to purchase discontinued mustard.

[KB3LAZ]

My first experience with chew. Lets say circa 02 at about 9am in the shop block. I was in wood shop and my buddy says to me "hey give this a try" so I did. It was a rather large dip of Skoal wintergreen. After about ten minutes it was game over and I spit it out. What a feeling, it was like being drunk and hungover at the same time. Not a big fan although I will buy a pouch of Red man for hunting season.

[n2ize]

My first experience with chew. Lets say circa 02 at about 9am in the shop block. I was in wood shop and my buddy says to me "hey give this a try" so I did. It was a rather large dip of Skoal wintergreen. After about ten minutes it was game over and I spit it out. What a feeling, it was like being drunk and hungover at the same time. Not a big fan although I will buy a pouch of Red man for hunting season.

Hah... indeed nicotine poisioning is most miserable. You feel lousy, whether you lie down or stay up you feel like crap until it wears off. I did the same thing once. I was sick for a good 5 or 6 hours afterward.

[KB3LAZ]

My first experience with chew. Lets say circa 02 at about 9am in the shop block. I was in wood shop and my buddy says to me "hey give this a try" so I did. It was a rather large dip of Skoal wintergreen. After about ten minutes it was game over and I spit it out. What a feeling, it was like being drunk and hungover at the same time. Not a big fan although I will buy a pouch of Red man for hunting season.

Hah... indeed nicotine poisioning is most miserable. You feel lousy, whether you lie down or stay up you feel like crap until it wears off. I did the same thing once. I was sick for a good 5 or 6 hours afterward.

Tell me about it. I had to go to the nurse and she knew what was wrong but she could not prove it so she sent me home. When I got home I got one royal ass chewing from my father who knew exactly why I was sick. Hey you live and learn right? :mrgreen:

[W3MIV]

Hey you live and learn right?

Alas, QRZ puts that thesis in doubt.

[n2ize]

My first experience with chew. Lets say circa 02 at about 9am in the shop block. I was in wood shop and my buddy says to me "hey give this a try" so I did. It was a rather large dip of Skoal wintergreen. After about ten minutes it was game over and I spit it out. What a feeling, it was like being drunk and hungover at the same time. Not a big fan although I will buy a pouch of Red man for hunting season.

Hah... indeed nicotine poisioning is most miserable. You feel lousy, whether you lie down or stay up you feel like crap until it wears off. I did the same thing once. I was sick for a good 5 or 6 hours afterward.

Tell me about it. I had to go to the nurse and she knew what was wrong but she could not prove it so she sent me home. When I got home I got one royal ass chewing from my father who knew exactly why I was sick. Hey you live and learn right? :mrgreen:


When it happened to me I never chewed before. I bought a can of Skoal and I thought you chew it just like Redman. So I grabbed a nice big clump of the tobacco and put it in my mouth between my lower left cheek and gum. I was working outside and after a few minutes I feel sort of light headed. Few minutes after that I have a slight queasy, seasick sort of feeling. A minute or so later I have a severe queasy seasick feeling. So I spit it out, washed my mouth out and spent the next several hours feeling like hell. Then it wore off suddenly. Seems with nicotine there is very little threshhold between the point where you feel sick and where you don't feel it at all.

In any event I learned that Skoal, Copenhagen, etc. are very strong. If you want to chew a large plug you go with Redman, Wrigley's, etc.

[n2ize]

Speaking of tobacco has anyone out here ever used snuff tobacco ? I am talking about real snuff, the kind that is dry, powedered and that you snort via the nose. I used to use Hedges menthol snuff every now and then.

[N7YA]

I havent put drugs of any kind up my nose in a long time. Besides, i didnt think they still made that stuff anymore...just like the chewing tobacco logs, as depicted in very old movies and Popeye cartoons...just bite off a hunk and, well, i guess chew it.

A follow up to my singer who went from smoking to chewing...we just got back home from doing some shows in Seattle, while we were there, he said he was going to quit chewing. I figured it was because he didnt want to be disgusting anymore, but hes not the kind of guy to care about that...his friggin face was twitching! He was putting tobacco as close to his brain and spine as possible...and keeping it there! He started noticing it for the last few months, he never had that before he started chewing, then he noticed it only when he would chew, then it became steady and it freaked him out.

Have any of you heard of such a thing? I knew it was really bad for your gums, breath and cool meter...but i didnt think about it affecting the nervous system or a particular area due to the intense, direct levels of niccotine you would be getting. I always knew it was nasty, but that seals it for me. :sick

[n4aud]

Speaking of tobacco has anyone out here ever used snuff tobacco ? I am talking about real snuff, the kind that is dry, powedered and that you snort via the nose. I used to use Hedges menthol snuff every now and then.
Yep, when I was a kid they sold some stuff called "coke snuff" that came in a little round tin. You twisted it and opened a small hole in the rim of the tin. It was a thin powder.

[kq9j]

Speaking of tobacco has anyone out here ever used snuff tobacco ? I am talking about real snuff, the kind that is dry, powedered and that you snort via the nose. I used to use Hedges menthol snuff every now and then.
Yep, when I was a kid they sold some stuff called "coke snuff" that came in a little round tin. You twisted it and opened a small hole in the rim of the tin. It was a thin powder.

I'm surprised the nannies haven't forced Coca-Cola to change the name of their product...promoting the name of a drug and all, ya know...might make the kiddies think Coke is OK :)

[N7YA]

Nah, the kiddies cant afford it, it was the parents doing tons of it back in the 70's when it was fashionable.

[n2ize]

Speaking of tobacco has anyone out here ever used snuff tobacco ? I am talking about real snuff, the kind that is dry, powedered and that you snort via the nose. I used to use Hedges menthol snuff every now and then.
Yep, when I was a kid they sold some stuff called "coke snuff" that came in a little round tin. You twisted it and opened a small hole in the rim of the tin. It was a thin powder.

Wow, you must have been around a long time to remember that. They still sell it but now it comes in small plastic bags and is usually sold after hours in doorways, school yards, or corners. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[n4aud]

Google revealed another forum with images of the cans...scroll down for "Cokesnuff."
http://snuffhouse.org/discussion/416/

[W1GUH]

Lucky Strikes, only girly men smoke anything else.
You aren't a girly man now are ya boy?

That was true a few years ago, now they're crap.

There's Balkan Sobranies when they're fresh. Expensive for an everyday smoke, but for a casual smoker they're marvelous.

Gauloises or Gitanes.

None of those three will be popular with the people around you, unless they, too, are smoking them.

I dunno...what does Sarah smoke? You might ask her, just like I'm going to ask Hillary what brand she used to smoke, or, for that matter, what brand Chelsea smokes now.

Mary Kate and Ashley smoke Marlboros. And everybody know they know everything!

Or...if you want to be a cowboy, Bull Durham in a pouch is the only thing to smoke.

And, also in that direction there's Bugler, Top, and Kite. (Think I'm forgetting one.)

There's enough to try for a while.

[KG4CGC]

There's a little discount place down the road that won't carry RJ Reynolds products. They claimed that they don't honor their coupons but I suspect someone (store owner) got chitty on the phone with them (RJR). They don't know me from Adams house cat but the few times I've been in there, they've gone on red alert to my presence. I ask a couple of simple questions about what I'm looking for and they are clearly irritated.
I don't know why.
Like I said before, SC has their own tobacco settlement on top of the national one and a lot of import brands told us to fuc off. If I've ever out of state I look for a good tobacconist.

[PA5COR]

I roll my own.

[KG4CGC]

? Not available in my state and Bali Shag is now $9$ a pouch because of SCHIP which puts the tax rate on roll your own (conflicting reports here) at 100 to 200%.

[PA5COR]

Price here € 5.50 a pack.
Driving to Luxembourgh, have a good dinner and cheap fuel, buying 200 packs for € 4.20 each.

Taking stuff with me for friends, result, nice day out, good dinner and saved a bundle.
The friends pay the fuel costs for their share of the goodies.

:snicker:

On holliday in France, we go to Monaco, then it is even € 1.00 cheaper as Luxembourgh.

[W7XF]

Price here € 5.50 a pack.
Driving to Luxembourgh, have a good dinner and cheap fuel, buying 200 packs for € 4.20 each.

Taking stuff with me for friends, result, nice day out, good dinner and saved a bundle.
The friends pay the fuel costs for their share of the goodies.

:snicker:

On holliday in France, we go to Monaco, then it is even € 1.00 cheaper as Luxembourgh.
Must be nice to be able to take tobacco across international borders... here in the US, it is illegal to cross into some states with more than 1 carton. Some states allow even less.
Same with alcohol.

[kf0rt]

Price here € 5.50 a pack.
Driving to Luxembourgh, have a good dinner and cheap fuel, buying 200 packs for € 4.20 each.

Taking stuff with me for friends, result, nice day out, good dinner and saved a bundle.
The friends pay the fuel costs for their share of the goodies.

:snicker:

On holliday in France, we go to Monaco, then it is even € 1.00 cheaper as Luxembourgh.
Must be nice to be able to take tobacco across international borders... here in the US, it is illegal to cross into some states with more than 1 carton. Some states allow even less.
Same with alcohol.

Yeah... now THERE's an enforceable law. :rofl:

[PA5COR]

No law restricting me doing this.
Within the EEC borders there is no Customs to be bothered about, it is the same economic zone.

:snicker:





Price here € 5.50 a pack.
Driving to Luxembourgh, have a good dinner and cheap fuel, buying 200 packs for € 4.20 each.

Taking stuff with me for friends, result, nice day out, good dinner and saved a bundle.
The friends pay the fuel costs for their share of the goodies.

:snicker:

On holliday in France, we go to Monaco, then it is even € 1.00 cheaper as Luxembourgh.
Must be nice to be able to take tobacco across international borders... here in the US, it is illegal to cross into some states with more than 1 carton. Some states allow even less.
Same with alcohol.

Yeah... now THERE's an enforceable law. :rofl:

[KG4CGC]

New York does it with their "Safety Cigarette" law.
I read a while back that Kansas was patrolling their borders looking for anyone coming in with over two cartons. Wonder how that one went down.

[suddenseer]

If you are going to inhale any kind of smoke into your lungs, you should at the very least get high from it. Bill Maher 2008


cul de n8tb (tim)

[N7YA]

I was 11 when i first tried smoking to be cool...i about puked in my mouth, determined these things taste like ass and i felt sick...that was all i needed to find another way of being cool.

Boy am i glad it happened like that!!

I never got hooked on that drug, i never had to spend a whole night coughing up tarantulas or getting snappy with everyone i meet because i didnt get my morning smoke first. I never have to spend all that money to get breathing issues, etc...that is one tough narcotic to kick. But thats as far as i will take any preaching i may have since i have yet to meet a smoker who A) didnt defend it to the death, and B) knew it was bad and always wanted to quit but it was too hard....so im not telling anyone anything new here.

I personally know former smokers who were a rare breed...they could quit cold turkey without going through a "possessed by Satan himself" phase of withdrawals...but they always crave one on occasion.

If you are a smoker, especially a long time smoker, i wish only the best for you and please understand where im coming from. I respect you, just not the drug that hooked you and will try to spare you any further soapbox. :) If you never smoked, be happy!! And dont even consider trying it...just my advice.

Well, me and millions of current smokers.

[suddenseer]

I was 11 when i first tried smoking to be cool...i about puked in my mouth, determined these things taste like ass and i felt sick...that was all i needed to find another way of being cool.

Boy am i glad it happened like that!!

I never got hooked on that drug, i never had to spend a whole night coughing up tarantulas or getting snappy with everyone i meet because i didnt get my morning smoke first. I never have to spend all that money to get breathing issues, etc...that is one tough narcotic to kick. But thats as far as i will take any preaching i may have since i have yet to meet a smoker who A) didnt defend it to the death, and B) knew it was bad and always wanted to quit but it was too hard....so im not telling anyone anything new here.



I personally know former smokers who were a rare breed...they could quit cold turkey without going through a "possessed by Satan himself" phase of withdrawals...but they always crave one on occasion.

If you are a smoker, especially a long time smoker, i wish only the best for you and please understand where im coming from. I respect you, just not the drug that hooked you and will try to spare you any further soapbox. :) If you never smoked, be happy!! And dont even consider trying it...just my advice.

Well, me and millions of current smokers.


I have yet to meet a smoker being intellectually honest with themselves look back at their first cigarette with fondness. I have mixed feelings. I am almost 50 years old, and smoked cigarettes maybe a total of 4 years in my life. I usually would smoke a cigarette when I was drinking liquor. I would bum a smoke off someone else. I did smoke a cigar every day (not inhaled) for about 2 years. I was picky, only Arturos Fuentes, or similar. Yes, I went to Canada to get Havanas. Last year I was hospitalized with a near death experience from Emphysema. I live with a 2 pack a day smoker, and the second hand smoke has given me this chronic lung disease. If it happened to me, it can happen to anybody. Live & Learn



cul de n8tb (tim)

[N7YA]

Powerful testament right there. And sadly, all too true. I really hope there turns out to be a happier ending to this story for you. :(

[K8PG]

DONT SMOKE AT ALL !!! IF YOU DO YOU MAY BE SORRY YOU EVER STARTED-SAVE YOUR LUNGS,MOUTH AND ESOPHIGUS FROM BEING BURNT AND GETTING CANCER EVER SEEN A CANCEROUS LUNG?
OR SOMONE WITH OUT A VOICE BOX?? THANK ALL THE CAMELS,
PALLMALLS, LUCKY STRILES ,KOOL UNFILTERED COFFIN NAILS
MY FATHER DIED OF LUNG CANCER AND IVE BEEN BATTLING CIGS
FOR 35 YRS QUIT NUMEROUS TIMES-STILL TRYING FOR GOOD.SAVE YOR $$$$$$ AND LIFE DONT DO IT.... OR >>>>>>> :( :evil:

PAUL K8PG CW IS AMATEUR RADIO
.

[PA5COR]

We all know it is not good to smoke.

I don´t use drugs, nor alcohol, i´m a carefull driver, don´take part in activeties with risks, keep my weight down to a decent save level, and let God sort me out.

I try to become 100, i´m doing fine with 57
:snicker:

[KB3LAZ]

This makes me want to buy some quality shag and roll a smoke (shag tobacco). Must resist........

[N7YA]

If anything, im all about personal freedoms, but personal responsibility as well. Smoke 'em if you got 'em! Any adult smoker will know the risks and should never be treated like a child.

Do what makes you happy...just dont blow it in my face, smoke in my truck or expect me to hang around in a closed room with you if you are smoking. Thats about all i have to complain about.

[KB3LAZ]

If anything, im all about personal freedoms, but personal responsibility as well. Smoke 'em if you got 'em! Any adult smoker will know the risks and should never be treated like a child.

Do what makes you happy...just dont blow it in my face, smoke in my truck or expect me to hang around in a closed room with you if you are smoking. Thats about all i have to complain about.

Still your tongue! I don't need to start that back up again. :lol: I can breath. :monkeydance:

[KG4CGC]

Been relegated to the likes of Drum and Bugler here. God Bless South Carolina.

[KB3LAZ]

Been relegated to the likes of Drum and Bugler here. God Bless South Carolina.

Drum is not all that bad. I always liked Bali. Not quite as cheap but good. About 12-15$ for 5oz when I used to get it. It has almost doubled since then.

[N7YA]

Last time i saw Bugler i was in the Clark County detention center...but they gave us the tobacco in a cool little pouch, along with papers that didnt stick. So i actually learned how to roll my own for a minute, but since i didnt like to smoke, i found that they worked great as barter money for cornbread and extra meatballs.

[W7XF]

We all know it is not good to smoke.

I don´t use drugs, nor alcohol, i´m a carefull driver, don´take part in activeties with risks, keep my weight down to a decent save level, and let God sort me out.

I try to become 100, i´m doing fine with 57
:snicker:

Cor... we ALL know you have a secret lust for mashing the gas the moment you cross the German border!! :snicker:

[KB3LAZ]

Last time i saw Bugler i was in the Clark County detention center...but they gave us the tobacco in a cool little pouch, along with papers that didnt stick. So i actually learned how to roll my own for a minute, but since i didnt like to smoke, i found that they worked great as barter money for cornbread and extra meatballs.

I always hand rolled my own. Well, not when I first started but after awhile I did. Or if I ran out and all I could get was a pack of premade shit.

[W6HSA]

Bull Durham?

[KB3LAZ]

I will tell you this much, I will never give up my cigars. I don't smoke them frequently but when I find myself bored, irritated, or insomniatic (yea I know not a word) I find that long sensuous drags and deep inhales from a cigar rest my nerves. The more calm I become the more focused I seem to be.

Hey, we all have our own form of poison. One way or another it will be the cause of our demise. I suppose I like having a say in my death. It is like writing the ending to my own story. Even if it turns out to be slow and painful.

There really is no point in fearing the inevitable. Then again I suppose that some may like to prolong it.

[N7YA]

Last time i saw Bugler i was in the Clark County detention center...but they gave us the tobacco in a cool little pouch, along with papers that didnt stick. So i actually learned how to roll my own for a minute, but since i didnt like to smoke, i found that they worked great as barter money for cornbread and extra meatballs.

I always hand rolled my own. Well, not when I first started but after awhile I did. Or if I ran out and all I could get was a pack of premade shit.


I tried, but i never could get that technique down...i suck at rolling.

[N7YA]

But Trav, you're a vampyre....you can smoke all you want and never die. You are cursed with life amongst us mortal coils.

[kf0rt]

Last time i saw Bugler i was in the Clark County detention center...but they gave us the tobacco in a cool little pouch, along with papers that didnt stick. So i actually learned how to roll my own for a minute, but since i didnt like to smoke, i found that they worked great as barter money for cornbread and extra meatballs.

I always hand rolled my own. Well, not when I first started but after awhile I did. Or if I ran out and all I could get was a pack of premade shit.


I tried, but i never could get that technique down...i suck at rolling.

You just need a rolling machine.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00EDEQTStaUzYNM/Rolling-Machine-W11-Series-.jpg

[N7YA]

Good God!! Who owned THAT one? Carl Sagan?? :shock:

[PA5COR]

Yep did that in the past when i was younger :rofl:
Had lots of fast cars then, 6 or 8 cylinder European make or US made cars.
Then fuel became bloody expensive.. spoilsports... :slap:

Last time with my wife's Alfa Romeo 156 twin spark 1.8 liter souped up ( lowered, alu wheels etc.)
240 KM/H (144 Miles per Hour) on the clock from TOMTOM ( GPS) :snicker:
She is the fast driver, we sold that car now,, and she has a hyunday Atoz now.
Saww her round a bend on almost 2 wheels :lol:
First 2 new tires already put onthee car, they are cheap :yes:

My 2.5 Turbo diesel van ( 2 metric tons) does 100 miles an hour max.
Bummer...

Eh, i'm a responsable driver... :shhh:

Next Saturday Bad Bentheim Germany ham fest :rofl:

Need to get that soot out of the exhaust you know... :popcorn:





We all know it is not good to smoke.

I don´t use drugs, nor alcohol, i´m a carefull driver, don´take part in activeties with risks, keep my weight down to a decent save level, and let God sort me out.

I try to become 100, i´m doing fine with 57
:snicker:

Cor... we ALL know you have a secret lust for mashing the gas the moment you cross the German border!! :snicker:

[PA5COR]

You learn handrolling driving an 18 wheeler as i did for years.
One handed :snicker:

I started smoking at the age of 23 when i worked for Her Majesties Customs at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam as Customs officer.

Lots of night shifts, tax free cigarets and boring nights.
Stupid i know.
Benson & Hedges, Caballero, And Samson Shag.

45 grams lasts 2.5 days.

[W7XF]

Yep did that in the past when i was younger :rofl:
Had lots of fast cars then, 6 or 8 cylinder European make or US made cars.
Then fuel became bloody expensive.. spoilsports... :slap:

Last time with my wife's Alfa Romeo 156 twin spark 1.8 liter souped up ( lowered, alu wheels etc.)
240 KM/H (144 Miles per Hour) on the clock from TOMTOM ( GPS) :snicker:
She is the fast driver, we sold that car now,, and she has a hyunday Atoz now.
Saww her round a bend on almost 2 wheels :lol:
First 2 new tires already put onthee car, they are cheap :yes:

My 2.5 Turbo diesel van ( 2 metric tons) does 100 miles an hour max.
Bummer...

[highlight:2k4ds5eb]Eh, i'm a responsable driver...[/highlight:2k4ds5eb] :shhh:

Next Saturday Bad Bentheim Germany ham fest :rofl:

Need to get that soot out of the exhaust you know... :popcorn:

And, you worship these divine scriptures from the Great Prophet Sammy Hagar:

[youtube:2k4ds5eb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfNATuw1DRs[/youtube:2k4ds5eb]

[KG4CGC]

Prolly been 23 years since I've seen that. Hard to memember exactly.